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Old 07-14-2011, 03:42 PM   #576
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thanks for the clarification. I was curious if you were doing a rear sway bar only upgrade for some reason - just wanted to scope it out.

this car understeers like a mofo. I would love to bring it closer to neutral, will definitely be doing sways and end links at some point.
I did run the car with the stock front sway bar and upgraded rear sway bar for a while. It's not something I would recommend. I'm no expert driver, but this is how I would break things down in a highway on-ramp-type test (ie. drive around a curve at a speed that pushes the limits of traction and see how the car reacts):
  • Stock front sway bar, stock rear sway bar: Car is predictible and the front slides out very easily. Classic understeer. Hard to hold speed because you're basically sliding off the road.
  • Stock front sway bar, 22mm rear sway bar: Car holds together for a while, but once you push the speed up enough it will snap it's tail end out rather unpredictably. Not something I would consider safe. I never spun out or anything, but when pushed to the limits it will be very tough for an inexperienced driver to control.
  • 22mm front sway bar, 22mm rear sway bar: More neutral throughout. Easier to hold speed. Tires break loose predictably. Understeer is possible if on power during a turn, but oversteer is also possible if you really toss it in hard.
A 24mm front sway bar would probably feel similar. I really have no idea if the stiffer front sway bar would actually be faster around the track or not, but I do like how I have it set up now. I supposed I could play around the with adjustment holes on the sway bars, but I don't think I'm a good enough driver to feel the slight differences.
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Old 07-14-2011, 04:19 PM   #577
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Looks good, I like the touch of red on the FMIC piping.
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Old 07-14-2011, 04:41 PM   #578
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You've inspired me, my next car will be a black hatchback! Extremely clean build, great work.
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Old 07-14-2011, 08:15 PM   #579
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Old 07-15-2011, 12:35 AM   #580
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I supposed I could play around the with adjustment holes on the sway bars, but I don't think I'm a good enough driver to feel the slight differences.
Whether you are capable of getting a faster time or not, it would be really great to read what you have to say about the feel after changing the front sway to 24mm. Hard data like this is so rare.

PS. Your posts are always succinct and informative. I google for specific questions I have and after much digging I usually find a post or thread of yours on this or other forums that provides the exact answer. Thanks for being such a contributing member of the community, xluben.
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Old 07-15-2011, 07:33 AM   #581
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Thanks all!

If someone wants to buy my 22mm front sway bar, then I would make the switch the the 24mm
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Old 07-15-2011, 02:42 PM   #582
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Old 07-16-2011, 05:11 PM   #583
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I'm assuming you have your 22mm rear set to 22mm, correct? Have you tried adjusting it to 23mm and observing the difference?

What do you have your 22mm front set to? Apparently you can't set it to 22mm and the only options are 21.5 and 22.5mm.
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Old 07-16-2011, 11:51 PM   #584
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They're both set to their "normal" setting. I suppose I could try stiffening up the rear.
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Old 07-17-2011, 01:31 AM   #585
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are you running spacers?
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Old 07-18-2011, 07:50 AM   #586
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are you running spacers?
Yes. 25mm front and rear.
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Old 07-18-2011, 03:28 PM   #587
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Yes. 25mm front and rear.
dude, luv ur thread, love how externally u kept it mostly stock and have a monster hiding inside!
I hear all the issues and negative stuff about spacers, but love how 25mm spacers made ur car look, from what I've read in ur thread u have no issues so far, one question tho, If I want to put those on my stock wrx do I need to do any camber adjustments or any other settings changed? or just putting the spacers are fine
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Old 07-18-2011, 05:00 PM   #588
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Old 07-18-2011, 05:51 PM   #589
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dude, luv ur thread, love how externally u kept it mostly stock and have a monster hiding inside!
I hear all the issues and negative stuff about spacers, but love how 25mm spacers made ur car look, from what I've read in ur thread u have no issues so far, one question tho, If I want to put those on my stock wrx do I need to do any camber adjustments or any other settings changed? or just putting the spacers are fine
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It would be the same as having a wheel with a different offset. In short, no adjustments to your alignment, just use the spacers and go.
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Old 07-18-2011, 07:20 PM   #590
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dude, luv ur thread, love how externally u kept it mostly stock and have a monster hiding inside!
I hear all the issues and negative stuff about spacers, but love how 25mm spacers made ur car look, from what I've read in ur thread u have no issues so far, one question tho, If I want to put those on my stock wrx do I need to do any camber adjustments or any other settings changed? or just putting the spacers are fine
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It would be the same as having a wheel with a different offset. In short, no adjustments to your alignment, just use the spacers and go.
The spacers bolt up with no other changes on a stock WRX. If you are lowered, you will start running into fender rubbing issues.
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Old 07-20-2011, 05:32 PM   #591
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xluben - Amaaazing. I just started reading this thread. I have a 2011 WRX limited hatch in white. I have a stage 1 tune via torqued performance. Other mods to come.

So the spacers are still running good? I think I'm going to go the same 25mm H&R's. The wide fender but no flush look is killing me. My concern is safety of part breakdown etc.
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Old 07-20-2011, 07:21 PM   #592
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I hear all the issues and negative stuff about spacers, but love how 25mm spacers made ur car look, from what I've read in ur thread u have no issues so far
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So the spacers are still running good? I think I'm going to go the same 25mm H&R's. The wide fender but no flush look is killing me. My concern is safety of part breakdown etc.

Whether or not it causes problems will depend on the tolerances of the exact part that is in your car (wheel bearings and possibly ball joints?) and how hard you drive it over the long term (75k+ miles) especially with on throttle cornering.
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Old 07-20-2011, 11:04 PM   #593
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Yeah, with quality spacers, of the proper size, it is more of a long term issue. As long as you get something that is the right fit for your car, and isn't going to snap off, then the overall wear issues should be the just like if you ran a wheel with very low offset. They will both accelerate wear on certain items. How much it accelerates the wear isn't really documented.
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Old 07-21-2011, 11:05 AM   #594
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Yeah, with quality spacers, of the proper size, it is more of a long term issue. As long as you get something that is the right fit for your car, and isn't going to snap off, then the overall wear issues should be the just like if you ran a wheel with very low offset. They will both accelerate wear on certain items. How much it accelerates the wear isn't really documented.
Well put.
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Old 07-21-2011, 11:14 AM   #595
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Old 07-21-2011, 11:37 AM   #596
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Old 07-24-2011, 12:04 PM   #597
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Old 07-25-2011, 01:09 AM   #598
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Xluben, can you provide more info on your spacers? I have searched all over for spacers for the 08+ (specifically for the 11) and the only solid finds I have is ichiba which I don't even know will fit and perrin which sells the H&K spacers but only the 5mm and 10mm.

Do you have a model number or something similar?
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Old 07-25-2011, 01:24 AM   #599
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Xluben, can you provide more info on your spacers? I have searched all over for spacers for the 08+ (specifically for the 11) and the only solid finds I have is ichiba which I don't even know will fit and perrin which sells the H&K spacers but only the 5mm and 10mm.

Do you have a model number or something similar?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT

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