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Old 08-03-2012, 01:07 PM   #2426
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i had aWS2 on my focus and it was very quiet, even with kamakaze race header and full catless
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:22 PM   #2427
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He has a sedan the Q300 hatch has only one muffler and its crazy on the highway at a constant speed. I hate being next to the dividers because sound just echos even more. When I go WOT the car sounds amazing and I get compliments like crazy but I'm really starting to want something with less drone.

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I also was considering the greddy sp elite but as xluben said price is kinda making me hold off.
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:23 PM   #2428
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He has a sedan the Q300 hatch has only one muffler and its crazy on the highway at a constant speed. I hate being next to the dividers because sound just echos even more. When I go WOT the car sounds amazing and I get compliments like crazy but I'm really starting to want something with less drone.
My thoughts exactly and why I sold mine
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:00 PM   #2429
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It would be cool if you could hook a quiet muffler to the N1 midpipe and swap just the axleback back and forth so you wouldn't need to take the whole thing off every time
That's one reason I kind of wanted the Nameless. It is compatible with the stock muffler, so I could always swap that on and have a 3" midpipe AND a really quiet car. Doing the work doesn't really matter. It's just as easy to take off the whole thing. I always leave the midpipe and axle back connected when I swap.

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My thoughts exactly and why I sold mine
Me too. Q300 sounded fine going through the rev's but the horrible drone was killer.
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:02 PM   #2430
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Yeah, this one seems loud. I want quiet. And it's $1200.
It is much louder than I anticipated from the "Whisper" but I am in love with it and will probably never change it. The thing that is awesome about it is that there is absolutely zero drone on the highway. That's their claim to fame and they got it down. I found mine used with like 5k miles for $600 which is pretty reasonable IMO. IDK if you have cats or not, but the catback has no resonators which definitely adds to the loudness. Putting a cat in would quiet it down substantially.
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:04 PM   #2431
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I'm catless. Have you had other exhausts on the car? I have a hard time basing my decisions on people's opinions. I've heard plenty of people say the Q300 is quiet and also that the SPT is loud. I think it all depends what you're comparing it to. I've had a few setups now, both too loud and too quiet, so I have a good idea what I'm looking for.
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:09 PM   #2432
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what about the ARK exhaust? Its about the same price range as the Greddy SP so its something to think about if you do decide to drop over 1k on the exhaust lol.
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:12 PM   #2433
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what about the ARK exhaust? Its about the same price range as the Greddy SP so its something to think about if you do decide to drop over 1k on the exhaust lol.
Ive seen videos on the arc exhaust that the flow is not even. A lot more exhaust gas gets pushed out of the driver left side exhaust tips then the right.
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:59 PM   #2434
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I'm catless. Have you had other exhausts on the car? I have a hard time basing my decisions on people's opinions. I've heard plenty of people say the Q300 is quiet and also that the SPT is loud. I think it all depends what you're comparing it to. I've had a few setups now, both too loud and too quiet, so I have a good idea what I'm looking for.
No this is the only one I have had. I really like quiet exhausts, and this is definitely louder than I would normally like, but the sound and no drone is what sold me on it. I have only heard the Q300 on a catted DP, but the MadDad is louder than that exhaust definitely. My friend has a stock dp mated to Cobb dual tip CBE and his is about as loud as this is.
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Old 08-04-2012, 09:10 AM   #2435
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Hey Ben, just wondering what the figment was like with the FMS FMIC? Did you have to remove the stock crash beam? Trying to decide whether to get the FMS or the RacerX Fmic, the latter which I know retains the stock crash bar.

Also, do you find that the fmic causes more lag or lessens the throttle response?? Or is it something that is barely noticeable?
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Old 08-04-2012, 11:33 AM   #2436
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Hey Ben, just wondering what the figment was like with the FMS FMIC? Did you have to remove the stock crash beam? Trying to decide whether to get the FMS or the RacerX Fmic, the latter which I know retains the stock crash bar.

Also, do you find that the fmic causes more lag or lessens the throttle response?? Or is it something that is barely noticeable?
The FMS does require you to remove the crash beam. It comes with a new beam to hold up the core. The FMS core has poor fitment due to the design. You will have to drill out all of the mounting points (4 on top and two on the bottom) and use new hardware.

On a 2011 you will have to significantly cut your bumper. All of the unpainted plastic needs to be removed, as well as about an inch of painted plastic along the whole length of the opening. Once you have the core mounted, everything else goes together well. The pipes/couplers/clamps seem well done.

I've been happy with it (after spending 2 days trying to figure out how to get it mounted). I like the design quite a bit better than the RacerX. The RacerX is really making compromises to try and fit in with all the stock stuff in place. Smaller core, odd pipe routing, etc. I'd take the FMS over the RacerX just based on that.

One thing to note is that recently ImportImageRacing (they own the "FMS" brand) got in a batch of intercoolers with the end tanks on upside down. From what I have heard, they are still selling these and have been trying to tell people it is normal. I would try and wait until they get another (correctly made) batch before buying one.
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Old 08-04-2012, 11:36 AM   #2437
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I kind of toyed with the idea of an N1 just because they're cheap and light and have the best flow. But I realized I'd never be able to live with it as a daily exhaust. If I found one for $100 I might buy it as a track exhaust. I'm not really too interested in a single tip, full size muffler exhaust.
I wasn't too sure about a single exhaust either but I ended up getting a tsudo N1 for my car since it was really cheap and sounds good when I'm "playing around" but I can also put in the silencer for my weekday commutes so I don't have to put up the the drone on the highway.
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Old 08-04-2012, 12:20 PM   #2438
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Here are my results using Virtual Dyno vs. the actual Dynojet at MAPerformance. I have two different setups that I've had dyno'd at MAP. The first was with the stock VF52 (on E85) and the second one was the 20G XTR (on E85). Here is more info on the 20G XTR setup if anyone is interested.

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2011 WRX - VF52 - E85:
Dynojet (MAPerformance): 339WHP
Virtual Dyno (Dynojet): 338WHP

2011 WRX - 20GXTR - E85:
Dynojet (MAPerformance): 462WHP
Virtual Dyno (Dynojet): 463WHP





The peak horsepower results are VERY close! The peak torque is different by about 5%, but the overall curves (both power and torque) look very similar. The main issues I see with people posting Virtual Dyno results are the following:
  • Fast Polling turned on when logging
  • Road is not flat
  • Data is not entered correctly (weight, tire size, etc.)
  • Improper smoothing
  • Improper trimming
As long as you give Virtual Dyno good data, it will produce good results. While dyno numbers don't mean much, I've found it to be very useful to track the changes I've made to my car. I find that it's definitely more useful than the old "butt dyno".
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Old 08-04-2012, 12:20 PM   #2439
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The other interesting comparison here (for some people) is the stock turbo vs. a bit larger one, the 20G XTR. This size (very similar to the Dom 1.5XTR) is something that many people probably consider when looking at stock location turbos and I haven't seen too many direct comparisons. I haven't seen too many people push this size turbo to higher boost (many are often run at 20-24psi), so often the results are not that impressive. When TopSpeed did the Dom1.5XTR testing, they pushed the turbo to similar boost and had great results as well.

What I glean from looking at these plots is that you can gain over 100WHP and 100WTQ when going from a stock turbo to this size turbo. You will probably lose up to 500rpm's of spool (ie. RPM @ 20psi) but peak torque will shift by nearly 1k rpm's. Often when you see turbo's this size having peak torque only about 500rpm's later than a stock turbo, it is because they are only pushing it to just over 20psi. When you push the boost higher you will typically see spool up at the same RPM but the peak will be further right.

On the street it feels great, but it does hit later. There is gobs and gobs more power, but you do have to wait for it. Downshifting does wonders. It's much easier to stay out of boost, but when you get on it, it really moves. I love the setup and could never see myself going back, but be warned that it does feel different. No more flooring it at 3k and zipping away. You're better off downshifting, then flooring it, and then zipping away much faster I daily drive this car, and I love it. Plenty of usable power, and it comes on quick enough to be good for daily use.

The stock turbo on E85 is an absolute blast compared to a bone stock car. Spools the same or sooner, and has so much more power and especially torque. The boost still drops off by redline, but you can get a very good midrange torque peak. The car will spool so fast for the power you can make. This is a great setup and tons of fun. It is very cheap to do, and it should be quite reliable as well. If you want more power, I would wholeheartedly suggest going through stages, rather than just jumping to something big and laggy because you want a big dyno number. You'll learn a lot more about what you really want along the way.

Of course I'm sure there will be people who want to nit pick one thing or another in this post. These are just my thoughts on my results. I'm sure some people have spooled earlier or later, and some have made more or less power. This is what I've seen, and it's just one example. The only other word of warning is that with this power, things break. I've cracked a piston and shredded 3rd gear in the last year (but now I have a built motor and built tranny, so hopefully things last!).
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Old 08-04-2012, 01:22 PM   #2440
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I am pretty sure I have seen your watermark somewhere... You wouldn't happen to be from MCB? I am 99% sure you are
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Old 08-04-2012, 03:40 PM   #2441
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Do you think the stock block on a VF52 with a tmic using E85 would have been reliable? I wouldn't push the tq nearly as high as you but somewhere in the 330hp 340tq range I hope is within reach and will still be reliable to get me through my normal commute. I never FFS or launch my car.
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Old 08-04-2012, 04:18 PM   #2442
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My opinion is its all in the tune, I was with a HTA68 / FMS FMIC @ 21lbs and my cylinder 3 went. Almost a week exctly after Xlubens went, 3-months later built stage-1 block and waiting on getting the tune. I was not running E85 as I do not have any around these parts, so I went with Meth HSF-2 kit.

I personally think it is all in the tune. I would never do this again. If you modify a subaru, be caeful.
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Old 08-04-2012, 04:47 PM   #2443
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That's why if you build power you should have a block ready to go
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Old 08-04-2012, 04:49 PM   #2444
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The 09-12's can hold 400 tq pretty reliably, imo.
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The 09-12's can hold 400 tq pretty reliably, imo.
I'm not worried about the transmission as much as I am the block to be honest.
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I'm not worried about the transmission as much as I am the block to be honest.
I hear you, but as mentioned before the tune makes all the difference. E85 does help quite a bit especially in temperate ( hot ) areas.
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I hear you, but as mentioned before the tune makes all the difference. E85 does help quite a bit especially in temperate ( hot ) areas.
It also helps with detonation (pending a good tune)
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It also helps with detonation (pending a good tune)
Exactly.
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The other interesting comparison here (for some people) is the stock turbo vs. a bit larger one, the 20G XTR...
I just did this Friday (I'm only running 93 tho, no E85 where I live)... your analysis is pretty spot on. It feels like driving a n/a car- except when you down shift- then she stands up and stays with you till red. I've only driven it this weekend, but my gas mileage skyrocketed to 29. Before I was constantly teasing the turbo and burning gas because of it, now not so much. Something I certainly hadn't expected.
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Yeah, I frequented the paintball forums in the past.

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Do you think the stock block on a VF52 with a tmic using E85 would have been reliable? I wouldn't push the tq nearly as high as you but somewhere in the 330hp 340tq range I hope is within reach and will still be reliable to get me through my normal commute. I never FFS or launch my car.
Yeah, that should be pretty safe. That's a very good stopping point for most people.

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My opinion is its all in the tune, I was with a HTA68 / FMS FMIC @ 21lbs and my cylinder 3 went. Almost a week exctly after Xlubens went, 3-months later built stage-1 block and waiting on getting the tune. I was not running E85 as I do not have any around these parts, so I went with Meth HSF-2 kit.

I personally think it is all in the tune. I would never do this again. If you modify a subaru, be caeful.
Even with a good tune sometimes they just go. I was pretty conservative when the motor went out.

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The 09-12's can hold 400 tq pretty reliably, imo.
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I'm not worried about the transmission as much as I am the block to be honest.
They both become a liability at some point.

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I hear you, but as mentioned before the tune makes all the difference. E85 does help quite a bit especially in temperate ( hot ) areas.
Even with E85 hot weather really slows things down. It is in the 60/70's yesterday and today and the car feels so fast! Today I did confirm that it will do mid 130's in 4th gear and still pulling hard

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Exactly.
On E85 my car never knocks, and many others have seen this too.

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I just did this Friday (I'm only running 93 tho, no E85 where I live)... your analysis is pretty spot on. It feels like driving a n/a car- except when you down shift- then she stands up and stays with you till red. I've only driven it this weekend, but my gas mileage skyrocketed to 29. Before I was constantly teasing the turbo and burning gas because of it, now not so much. Something I certainly hadn't expected.
Yeah, with a larger turbo you are out of boost way more often. My mileage went up by about 1mpg long term with the new turbo. You really don't get into boost unless you want to.
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