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Old 06-29-2002, 06:35 PM   #1
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My husband keep insisting I drive the WRX on the lot in my favorite color Aspen white. I just got back. I like it
He wants to take over my GT and let me drive the WRX wagon. We can't get used to the automatic Bean and the lack of road feel in it, not to mention the body roll and lean on corners! He is driving the WRX now. I took it by our house and made him drive it. Could be... I really could be... Stay tuned!
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Old 06-29-2002, 07:49 PM   #2
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He just got back from driving the WRX, 5th one, and he concluded it is not for him at all. Too cramped, too much road noise and too harsh a ride. I will encourage him to wait it out with the Bean for the all new 2004 Legacy turbo wagon (I read about it in Auto Preview magazine today, or I think that's what it was called. There is a photo of it and everything). He said he liked the Bean a lot better then the WRX! The 2004 Legacy should be out next May. 10 months. Maybe by then he will get used to the automatic and keep the Bean, I know I never will myself. It must be a manual for me. I did like my GT better then the WRX by the way. But it was a close second! No WRX in our future, but this one was close. It is very nice. My only gripe was the black interior and the poorer sounding stereo then my GT.
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Old 06-30-2002, 12:41 AM   #3
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Uuuuummmmmm, me and about 20k other people would love to hear a little bit more about that article on the B4 (Legacy Turbo). Please elaborate.

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Old 06-30-2002, 01:03 AM   #4
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It's not goin to be the B4.

It'll prob be the 2.5 engine turbo'd, or the current WRX engine.
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Old 06-30-2002, 09:28 AM   #5
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About the article. I do not recall if it was Automotive Preview or what. It was something preview. Anyway, they had a detailed sketch drawing of the 2004 Legacy and it will be completely redesigned from the ground up it says. Also it says the GT will have a turbo. It did not say which turbo, but it did say turbo. It said the H6 engine would continue in the higher scale Outback, but no manual. It said the Legacy line and Outback line will be vast changes to seperate them from each other much more. The Legacy will become sportier it said.
It said they will be out around May 2003. But that's all it said. It does look a lot different from our Legacy's now, but still very elegant, and nice!
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Old 06-30-2002, 11:37 AM   #6
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well I must say that is interesting news. I can't say I believe May at all but who knows. That kinda sucks I as planning on getting ride of my 01 GT in 2 months and getting another possible...but should I wait? hmm hmm hmm
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Old 06-30-2002, 11:58 AM   #7
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Well, interesting, yes, but I have a sneaking suspicion that you were reading European news, because I have heard from several sources that SoA isn't updating our Legacy until 2005, and if you believe the standard car manufacturer's logic, they introduce the new design, then introduce the higher performance models a year or two or three into the run. I, unfortunatley, believe that we won't see a turbocharged Legacy until MY2006/2007 and I think it'll be the B4. That's way too much manufacturing retooling when Subaru already can't produce enough H6's. There is a new engine plant opening here in NA, but I still think I've heard too many horror stories about slapping a turbo on the 2.5 to justify SUbaru making that leap. My 2 cents.

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Old 06-30-2002, 01:11 PM   #8
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It was not a European magazine. It was at the Raley's Supermarket magazine stand. I went back to look at it again. It was called Automobile Preview magazine. They said the 2004 Legacy will be completely revamped from the ground up. The GT will, most likely, have the turbo engine. Catch phrase being "most likely." The drawing of it looks nice and different. They also said the Legacy model will be seperated completely by the Outback model making the Legacy sportier and the Outback taller and more rugged. It did not say when they are coming out. I do not know where I go May- wishful thinking I guess. I am keeping my fingers crossed.
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Old 06-30-2002, 02:29 PM   #9
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Please refer to this post as to the 2004 Legacy changes:
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Old 07-01-2002, 01:52 PM   #10
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I don't understand, you guys want better road feel with less body roll and leaning on corners, but complain cause a car has too harsh a ride or is noisy?!?
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Old 07-01-2002, 03:46 PM   #11
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I don't understand, you guys want better road feel with less body roll and leaning on corners, but complain cause a car has too harsh a ride or is noisy?!?
Good point! I did love the WRX myself. I loved the short shifter and the color, cuteness, etc. My husand likes his L.L. Bean better then the WRX and I like my GT wagon better. I ordered a rear swaybar for the Bean and got a book instead (by mistake) "Training WRX" in it is says, "The WRX is an average handling car. When compared to other cars like the Lancer, Celica and 200SX the WRX is a very blunt instrument. When pushed hard it behaves like an overloaded front wheeler, exhibiting conciderable understeer and slow steering inputs." Not my words, words from the book.

So it is not a great handling car without mods. I believe you can have it all! My GT wagon handles very well for me and is smooth and quiet. I like the harsher ride myself. I like that connected to the road feel and to feel the bumps, potholes, cracks, etc. Its part of the driving experience for me. That is me, not my husband. He likes smooth, quiet, dull, floaty, big boats. He is trying to like "Sports Cars" due to my enthusiasm, but can not get over the smaller size and the harshness.

He let the air out of his tires again since he said it felt too harsh! Now they are 31 front and 29 rear- but lik in the door panels. Eventhough 36 front and 32 rear made conciderablely less understeer and lean on corners!

I see now why he likes the Passat so much. It was floaty come to think of it and that non-independent suspension with those huge saybars did keep it glued to the ground. Plus it has a turbo that kicks in at 1,500 RPMs- It is perfect for him, but not for me. If it were up to me, I'd have him get the White WRX, then we'd have an Impreza and a Legacy again. I would mod it though. The book says 17" wheels and Z rated tires first. Then an aggressive alignment next, then rear swaybar, then front swaybar, then lastly- a Whiteline ALK. After that it says, all other mods are a comprimise to other parts and are not recommended.

Anyway, I hear your point and I can see why you conclude that!
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Old 07-01-2002, 03:59 PM   #12
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My only gripe was the black interior and the poorer sounding stereo then my GT.
See I never did mention noise or harsh ride. That was the hubby I was writing for. I'd have him write, but his is not an online type of guy. He is the one who does not like harsh rides or road noise. He also does not like to shift past 2500 RPM's (I shift between 3500 and 4000 myself ) But he wants a sports car that is smooth, quiet, handles great, has massive low-end torque and massive power, is huge inside, has light grey leather seats, the perfect stereo, huge head and legroom, huge storage space, gets good gas milage...hmmm I think that's it. Not of this world his needs are!
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Old 07-01-2002, 06:11 PM   #13
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Is this the guy who once hot-rodded a Pinto? (From Pinto Bean to LL Bean??) Tell him to put the air back in the tires and get used to it. When I got my GT it squealed like hell on the first hard corner. I upped it to 37 front, 34 rear and it hasn't squealed since. Get the swaybar for the Bean when he can. This is a guy who drives a company truck most of the time, right?

I understand some of the comfort issues for him. I am 6' 1" and have trouble getting comfortable in lots of cars. My GT has barely enough head room for me. But why is he getting so picky about a car that I believe you said sits in the garage most of the time? It is comfortable and you can still drive the GT on the weekends together. And IMHO the GT has the nicest combination of ride and handling that I have ever experienced. Never driven any high end European cars, but it beats hell out of my wife's Volvo 850 GLT, which has a really rough ride. Do wish it had a bit of the Volvo's scoot though. You really opened a Pandora's box for him, Heather. Lew
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Old 07-01-2002, 07:11 PM   #14
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Well, he did not really hot rod a Pinto, but yes he modded a Pinto. I met him when he was a mere 17, so it all happened before me. He went to junk yards and put things on the Pinto like swaybars, a horn, stuff like that. He was beyond broke back then and worked at Grand Auto. No engine mods that I know of. After the Pinto I bought each of us a 1986 Chevy Nova based on Consumer Reports and my logical mind. Mine did not even get A/C or anything! We drove those damn things for 11 years each! I was practical before Subaru got to me! I keep my tires at 36 front and 32 rear and am very happy with that. I think I have to sneek air back into the Bean myself. Yes it sits in the garage.
He does like his company T100 truck a lot. It has gobs of headroom, legroom and lowend torque. It is a manual. I told him to buy a Tundra if he wants, but no he wants good handling.

Heck I too think my GT is perfect. It has plenty of power for me and I love the handling, the way she sounds, the way she zooms around twisty roads, the feel of the road, etc. I just got back from the store. I took the really long way o get there and back It is so nice to love one's car. I only want him to feel the same way. We took Chewie up to Paradise last night. It is straight up a twisty mt road to a park for Sara in the pine trees! He looked at me and said, "I am so jealous of your gleeming eyes and big smile when you drive your car!" I think he has a right to feel that too. But will a Passat do that for him, that is the question! I am hoping for a 2003 or 2004 GT wagon in silver. I will locate one via Subaru.com- ask him to go to that Dealership with me in Green Bean, and once he sees it, he will not be able to look away. That is my hope!
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Old 07-01-2002, 08:54 PM   #15
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To get on topic a bit, if you are looking for a good crossover Subaru between the Impreza and the Legacy, take a look at the upcoming redesigned Forester w/Turbo that should be out early next year in the States. It will probably have a little less power than a WRX, but more low-end torque. It's also wider and taller than the WRX, and is probably the roomiest Subaru for drivers/front seat passengers. It handles much like a WRX, but not as harshly. Rather quiet inside also, and if it holds true to the JDM version, it will have a nicer interior than the WRX, and possibly nicer than the Legacy, depending on your preferences. Plus it should be around the same price, or less, than a WRX turbo (if they hold to JDM pricing strategies).

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Old 07-02-2002, 09:22 AM   #16
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SOA and a local dealership up here in Maryland had a Subaru Meet...about 57 subys showed up...I was the only Legacy! N E ways, I heard it from the horses mouth a SOA representative and sales manager that in about 16-18 months SOA will be releasing a 2.5 liter single turbo'd legacy!!! How about that for news/rumors??? I'm guessing it will be available on the new body style Legacy...what do you think??? Probably coming out in 2004 as a 2005 model...who knows!


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Old 07-02-2002, 10:18 AM   #17
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SOA and a local dealership up here in Maryland had a Subaru Meet...about 57 subys showed up...I was the only Legacy! N E ways, I heard it from the horses mouth a SOA representative and sales manager that in about 16-18 months SOA will be releasing a 2.5 liter single turbo'd legacy!!! How about that for news/rumors??? I'm guessing it will be available on the new body style Legacy...what do you think??? Probably coming out in 2004 as a 2005 model...who knows!


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I hear ya ken, I went to the Texas state meet, I was the ONLY legacy there.......A brat showed up though......so I didn't have the oldest subie...
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Old 07-02-2002, 01:07 PM   #18
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See this thread all about the 2004 Legacy:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=208215

And Paul, no Forester he says (and I agree). We don't like the look of SUV's at all, even a Subaru one. Wagons are cool and are for us all the way. There are too many SUV's out there and the new Forester looks just like the Ford Escape or Mazda Tribute- which everyone in this area is buying in droves. Besides the A Forester is too small in the back seat and had the groud clearance of the Outback (7.5 inches). No good for good handling!

So it's either he mods the Outback to his liking and gets used to the automatic, or he trades it in for either a VW Passat wagon or the new Legacy wagon. There really are no other choices for him.

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Old 07-02-2002, 01:33 PM   #19
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You might consider a Jetta wagon. My GF just got a fully loaded V6 version, and it's the balls. The Mercedes sits in the garage now and we take the Jetta everywhere. That car is the balls.

They discontinued the V6 wagon for 2003, but you might find a 2002 on a lot if you're lucky. Or perhaps the 1.8 L turbo will do, I never drove it. The base model 2.0 won't cut it, POS made my old Legacy feel like a sports car.

Or if he has to have his Passat.... W8!
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Old 07-11-2002, 01:23 PM   #20
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Geez - it sounds like he (your husband) wants a Corvette. Didn't mention AWD in the list, so it might be a thought.

My wife and I are like that but opposite... when I was entertaining the idea of stuffing an SVX motor in our 95 legacy sedan she was all for 230 HP - but not improving the suspension any.

I've driven a few WRXs and some very nicely modded Imps and I agree - they handle OK for a commuter car but a sports car they are not.

My wife won't even drive my daily driver - it's very simplistic and direct. Modified old-school RX7 with serious suspension and tires. Something over 1.1Gs lateral, couldn't get any more because the G-Tech kept falling off the windshield

Now if I could only stuff together a SVX-powered AWD Justy...

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