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Old 06-30-2002, 01:25 AM   #1
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Default CIBIE headlights

i desperately want a set of CIBIE headlights for my BD Legacy.
and a set of CIBIE fogs for it also, but those fogs are to be the Impreza fogs. i was just wondering if anyone has either of these, or any CIBIE lights for that matter? if so, how do you like them? how hard was the install?
thanks everyone.
post pics if you do
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Old 06-30-2002, 05:49 AM   #2
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Do you mean these:

http://www.cibie.com/Page/CIBIE_HID/LEGACY_BG.htm
I love them too. Too bad I don't really understand what the page says....

There are some for newer Legacys:
http://www.cibie.com/Page/CIBIE_HID/LEGACY_BH.htm

Any info on pricing??

D.
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Old 06-30-2002, 10:35 AM   #3
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those are the exact lights i'm asking about.
i want them for the 97.
i love those lights, but i need to know about them before i buy them.
if they suck, i might not get them, if teh quality of them is horrible, why bother right?
pricing? a lot more than morettes. someone said "why don't you just go get morettes, they are cheaper" and my reply was "cuz i don't like morettes, i like these"
so if anyone has an info on CIBIE please let us all know.
thanks.
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Old 06-30-2002, 01:29 PM   #4
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The quality is really really good on CIBIE stuff, but they cost around $1000 for the non-HID versions.

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Old 07-01-2002, 12:59 AM   #5
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for that price, they better be REALLY REALLY GOOD.
in the great words of a fat black guy in the movie "exit wounds", "it better suck and f*ck me for....(insert price here)"
that is unreal pricing, but if it's worth it to us, then so be it.
who in the US can get them? does anyone have contact with them. i just hate the plain look of my lights, at night they look kinda mean with the fogs on too, but everyones legacy looks the same, time for a change.
this might be an expensive change!
thanks monovich
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Old 07-01-2002, 01:12 AM   #6
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don't know what vendors can get them...

but I could get them.



I could get them for you, but it would cost 10%

Ask challengerdeep.com , they can get anything.
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Old 07-01-2002, 02:26 PM   #7
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Default RHD vs LHD issue again

Looks like people get over-excited and forget about the RHD vs LHD thing. This is no small issue!


Monovich:

I recall you starting work on the ambitious JDM headlight conversion; how is it going? Sorry to sound sceptical, but I heard recently from a continental European tuner who had tried to do the same thing with Subaru projector headlights. They abandoned the project figuring out it was not worth the trouble. Please tell me otherwise!
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Old 07-01-2002, 11:30 PM   #8
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just curious.
i know japan has Right hand drive cars.
and we have left hand drive.
how would that effect the way the headlights work.
i'm kind of a newbie at this.
i know a bit about certain things, but no where near the amount of the stuff people on this site know.
you guys rule.
i'm a specialist locally.
but not on here.
how will it change the way the lights work?
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Old 07-02-2002, 01:56 AM   #9
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dupel,

yes, I do have the JDM projectors in my posession (read: sitting on my couch). I've got a guy here in Socal who is very good at electrical who has generously offered to help me figure out what is involved in making the lights work for for me. We are going to look into the differences between the RHD and LHD beam pattern as well as the wiring differences between the cars.

Personally, I haven't done more than look at them and drool because technically I'm a total idiot when it comes to electrical and lights. They cerntainly are interesting, though. They have the blinker, the projector beam, the high beam, and a smaller "city" beam. The only beam that I'd want to possibly modify is the projector beam because the "city" beam is just a dim daytime running light, and the high beam should never be activated with oncoming traffic around anyway (thus no need to correct it). The light looks like it is possible to dis-assemble, but I don't really know right now.

I'll post some pics and keep everyone updated as I get more into this project.

-Steve
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Old 07-02-2002, 11:54 AM   #10
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monovich - If you want, I already have a wiring diagram for the JDM->9007 wiring for the JDM projector lights. Drop me an email.
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Old 07-02-2002, 11:02 PM   #11
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Arrow Re: how will RHD vs LHD effect the lights?

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Originally posted by dojoromeo
just curious.
i know japan has Right hand drive cars.
and we have left hand drive.
how would that effect the way the headlights work.
i'm kind of a newbie at this.
i know a bit about certain things, but no where near the amount of the stuff people on this site know.
you guys rule.
i'm a specialist locally.
but not on here.
how will it change the way the lights work?
The side drive of the car affects the cut-off of the beam pattern from the lights. LHD lights generally have a cutoff that slopes down to the left so as not to blind oncoming traffic. Since traffic flow is reversed in RHD countries, the cutoff is reversed as well. So the problem with utilizing JDM projectors or any other lights designed for RHD is the unintentional blinding of oncoming traffic.

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Old 07-03-2002, 02:04 AM   #12
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thats a really cool feature, and it sounds like a good reason something could get fudged up pretty bad.
i would feel bad if i did that to people on the road.
guess i'll just have to figure out a way to do fix it right?
thanks AG, you da man.
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Old 07-03-2002, 02:52 AM   #13
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I don't think the issue is as big as people make it. I seriously doubt that these lights will point into the eyes of oncoming traffic if installed without modification. I think it would be irresponsible to do without checking, but I know that alot of Impreza guys install thier JDM projectors unmodified and they aren't blinding people. Have you ever lined your car up against a garage wall and looked at the beam on the USDM lights? It's a total mess and it casts light ALL over the place. there is no ovbious bias of the beam toward the lower right.

I think with a bit of research and some tweaking, the CIBIE lights would work fine.

I think the RHD vs. LHD issue might be a bit blown out of proportion, and I've heard some conversations to that effect on this very board. I wonder if the whole thing is more about minimizing glare than re-pointing the beam.

I could be wrong, though... and I intend to find out. So don't flame me.

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Old 07-03-2002, 03:02 AM   #14
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It would indeed be a wonderful thing if you proved it not so big an issue.

It may very well be a matter of tweaking to get the RHDs to work, but I think a lot of people want to upgrade to something that will just bolt in with little or no fuss. Maybe that's what differentiates the true enthusiasts... more power to you!

AG
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p.s. If you happen to have some custom adapter made up for the purpose of correcting the RHDs, please be sure to mass produce it for the benefit of the rest of us.
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Old 07-03-2002, 06:21 AM   #15
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Have you ever lined your car up against a garage wall and looked at the beam on the USDM lights? It's a total mess and it casts light ALL over the place. there is no ovbious bias of the beam toward the lower right.
Steve, you are talking about US DOT-spec reflector lamps. DOT standard is notorious for its poor light pattern (read Daniel Stern on this ).
E-Spec is much sharper, and on top of that projectors focus the light output even more than reflectors. So I can see very well the dipped beam of my Morettes not only on a garage wall, but even on the back of the car in front in twilight, that's how sharp they are. The beam pattern is designed to light up the side of the road (pedestrians, small animals, road signs, debris, etc.), while the opposite side of the road gets very little illumnation. Swap the sides and you do end up blinding people. A subjective test, probably, but getting to see many cars hitting the speed bumps, I can tell you, the moment they cross a bump with their front wheels, one thinks they switched their brights on. More so with projectors...

I thinlk what you are referring to as "minimizing glare" in the context really means "minimizing glare to oncoming traffic"=avoiding blinding other drivers. Dunno about the Impreza guys, me thinks it's because the lights they use are in LHD version (P1, UK300 lights do exist in LHD versions)
Finally, Daniel Stern is quite explicit about the danger.

That is why people in Europe are very careful when travelling with the wrong lights (as when crossing the Channel, you know). They put opaque stickers on the lamps that specifically block the part of the light output going on the wrong side of the road. While one can do that in the US with RHD lights as well, there are disadvantages to that. The light pattern becomes very much a foglight pattern -- only the immediate space in front of the car is illuminated and you miss hedhehogs, cyclists, recycling bins on the outer side of the road, in addition the total illumination is obviously reduced, so if the primary reason for getting E-Spec lights is performance, it is totally negated.

I think it is in principle impossible to convert reflector lights from RHD to LHD or back due to their design consisting of many little reflecting surfaces put together in a special way. Also in principle, it might be possible to convert projector lights by disassembling them and playing with the focusing lenses. However, as I wrote in the beginning of this thread, I know of a bunch of technically skillful people who have tried to toy with Legacy JDM lights and abandoned the idea. So lots of luck to you, if you do this, that will be great!
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Old 07-03-2002, 11:54 AM   #16
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good information.

The JDM projectors look to be easier than our lights to dis-assemble (i.e. they don't have to be put in the oven). They've got screws and clips holding them together. I am quite tenacious, and mere difficulty or technical challenges will not stop me from making these lights work. It took me two years to get them, and I'm going to figure out how to make them work for me.

I've also got a skilled electrician / engineer friend who has offered to help me.

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