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Old 06-30-2002, 02:27 PM   #1
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Talking 2004 Legacy completely redesigned!

I just went back to the store and bought the magazine with the photo and description of the 2004 Legacy. It is called CAR PREVIEW magazine. It says the 2004 Legacy is redesigned from the ground up. It will become taller with a more rounded appearance. It will be more aerodynamic with a much sportier look it says. Subaru has seperated the Legacy and Outback by making them a completely different car styling in 2004 with no more simularities between them. The Legacy and GT will become sportier and the Outback more rugged and much taller.The Legacy GT, in all likelihood, will stick with the 4-cylinder engine and GET TURBOCHARGED! The top of the line Outback will keep the H6 engine. Here is a photo! This is not a European magazine, it is coming here to AMERICA! Yippie!
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Old 06-30-2002, 03:19 PM   #2
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I'm not trying to argue, but I still think the turbo is a ways out after the initial introduction. Good find!

Jim

edit: Google doesn't show anything for that magazine, I may have to go look for it.
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Old 06-30-2002, 04:16 PM   #3
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Thumbs up the magazine

It's called Car Preview 2003. It is by Consumer Review.
I did scan the entire page, but it was 10 megs, so I had to show just the one photo and write the words myself. It says a lot more then I wrote. The magazine cost $9.95, so if you want me to type it word for word I can.

They also say the STI WRX is coming in as a 2003 model and will have to be held ack to 250 HP due to our preminum fuel not being rich enough for the 275 HP turbo engine. t will have 17" tires, a bigger spoiler and Rally ensired graphics. And the interior will get more serious- whatever that means! It will be manual only and sell for ~$30,000. It does not say when it will be out.

I hope this helped, Heather
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Old 06-30-2002, 05:15 PM   #4
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Thumbs up cool

Thanks Heather!
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Old 06-30-2002, 05:23 PM   #5
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I hope that is not the final design. The front looks like a Ford Focus .
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Old 06-30-2002, 06:52 PM   #6
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I hope that is not the final design. The front looks like a Ford Focus .
Thats an artist's conception, only (I think). Its gennerally best to withhold judgement untill you actually see the car in person. Hopefully Subary will get it 'right'.
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Old 06-30-2002, 08:22 PM   #7
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Default In order not to hold my breath...

I'm going to go drive my GT up and down the mountain and realize that I have so much more torque available to me in the lower RPM registers than I can use now! Unless Subaru figures out a way to get rid of the low down lag, many Legacy owners are not going to be too inspired by the turbo lag, high RPM, premium fuel consuming Turbo versioned Legacy. I've adopted a wait and see attitude... so I gues that's my best recourse for now unless I want to do a Turbo conversion on my existing Legacy's. I can handle that!

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Old 06-30-2002, 09:45 PM   #8
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I dyno'd my rather tight, green Legacy B4 d revision one day, just for base-line comparisons against modifications later.

It started producing torque from about 1500rpm, 150ft/lb's plus, and hit 220ft/lb's of torque at 3000rpm. Then it dipped through the VOD, and hit about 230ft/lb's at the 5400rpm peak torque mark.

This was on a dyno that generally reads about 15-20ft/lb's *lower* than actual. And the engine is a lot more powerful right now after the 5000km mark.

I think the general problem isn't the lack of actual torque down low in the previous revisions, either - while they definitely had less, the problem was one of perception. When you were *in* the sweet spot of the power band, it's so hellaciously strong that it makes anywhere else feel anemic - even if it's producing more power than the NA motors down low anyways.

Trust me, a Legacy turbo would be a very nice thing for the states.

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Old 06-30-2002, 09:48 PM   #9
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The artist that drew that sketch was lazy! They didn't even bother redesigning anything behind the A-pillar, just tacked on a different front end, which i might add, does look just like a focus.

twin turbo baby! yeah!

Everyone is talking about the engine options in the next gen of Subies, but the real question is, why doesnt Subaru come up with some better engine options, the legacy is behind the rest of the cars in its class with the 2.5, even though a 2.5 is a big ol' thumper of a four cylinder, everthing else has a 6 cylinder ( yeah i know there are some exeptions) but as popular as outbacks have become, the most constant complaint is the lack of power. we need a light,variable-timed,turbo/supercharged,6 cyl. engine that has enough grunt to pull its own weight, who cares if it is heavier than a wrx, if the Legs were supposed to be wrxs they wouldnt have bothered building the smaller car.

options, we need the choice of engines, the four and the six, supercharging to help the bottom end, but maybe there will be a new engine in a couple of years.

oh well, i still want a fast legacy.

(note: the above might not make any sense, it was more of a chain of thought, sorry)
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Old 06-30-2002, 10:40 PM   #10
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As much as I like anticipating what will be in the future of the Legacy, I must not torture myself thinking about something that I cannot have now.

I shall be pleasantly surprised by whatever Subaru introduces for the performance Legacy crowd and prepare myself to most likely fall in love all over again.

AG
May the B4 be with you!

p.s. bring it on!!!
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Old 07-01-2002, 12:46 AM   #11
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I hope that artist was blind, because that sketch is ugly.

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Old 07-01-2002, 01:06 AM   #12
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Old 07-01-2002, 01:55 AM   #13
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Default I guess perception is a good way to catalogue it

Quote: I think the general problem isn't the lack of actual torque down low in the previous revisions, either - while they definitely had less, the problem was one of perception. When you were *in* the sweet spot of the power band, it's so hellaciously strong that it makes anywhere else feel anemic - even if it's producing more power than the NA motors down low anyways.

Paul - I guess that's what I really meant. It is a perceptual thing. My Maxima SE had so much torque off the line and all the way up through its redline that it was seductive. You knew that at any moment you could uncork the beast and you were in for one heck of a ride. And yet, there was a down side to that because all the torque was srambling to the ground through unequal length drive shafts and torque steer could get pretty severe.

I really much prefer the Legacy 2.5 driving through all four wheels... with no torque steer ...there is just no comparison.

My ideal Legacy would be a chassis stiffened wagon, supercharged H6 with a six speed manual transmission driving through a 60/40 (R/F) biased center differential turning LSD's at both ends, running on 17 x 7.5 with ~ZR rated 225-45's. Lower it about 1.5/2.0 inches running on electronic adjustable Tein's, toss in VDC and I'm good to go.

Hey - we can dream can't we.

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Old 07-01-2002, 08:22 AM   #14
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Originally posted by shirokuma
I dyno'd my rather tight, green Legacy B4 d revision one day, just for base-line comparisons against modifications later.

It started producing torque from about 1500rpm, 150ft/lb's plus, and hit 220ft/lb's of torque at 3000rpm. Then it dipped through the VOD, and hit about 230ft/lb's at the 5400rpm peak torque mark.

This was on a dyno that generally reads about 15-20ft/lb's *lower* than actual. And the engine is a lot more powerful right now after the 5000km mark.

I think the general problem isn't the lack of actual torque down low in the previous revisions, either - while they definitely had less, the problem was one of perception. When you were *in* the sweet spot of the power band, it's so hellaciously strong that it makes anywhere else feel anemic - even if it's producing more power than the NA motors down low anyways.

Trust me, a Legacy turbo would be a very nice thing for the states.

Paul Hansen
Yeah, but isn't that a twin turbo? I don't think the torque curve would be the same for us single turbo westerners.
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Old 07-01-2002, 09:15 AM   #15
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Cool Reading from the cover page...

O.K. I was real curoius as to where they got this information. Was it thought up? Is it real? Subaru certainly is NOT talking!

Here is the exact words from the cover page:
"Sourses for our Car Preview are varied. Some of this comes from well-know industry observers. Or a manufacturer will talk indirectly to us about future products. For our drawings, the illustrator is often given just enough of a description of a vehicle and has seen "spy shots" to sketch a drawing. For most future models, automakers won't release early information, so accuracy can not be completely guarenteed. We've done the best job we can in tapping reliable resources to come up with this information."

So it is not the final sketch, nor is it completely accurate. But is the turbo for real in 2004? Only time will tell, but I do think that part is true myself!

Heather
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Old 07-01-2002, 04:01 PM   #16
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Talking New turbo Legacy!

I help out at a local dealership on weekends and was speaking with the general manager when he got back from the SOA dealership convention in Chicago a month ago. SOA told the dealers that there will be a turbo Legacy in the future, but did not specify when? They are also bringing over the turbo Forrester(maybe early next year?) and the WRX STi(maybe next year too?) So, let's hope the turbo Legacy is in the near future and not 2005-2006? They bring it over and I'll buy it! My $.02
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