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Old 06-30-2002, 05:12 PM   #1
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Default STi vs EVO VII RS Sprint vs Honda 2000 vs LOTUS ELITE & more!!!

Get the latest edition of EVO magazine at your book store. It compares Europe's 11 greatest driving machines, and a tire test of 8 top tires.

Impreza STi Type UK : 261hp, 6 speed, 0-60 5.8 sec, ABS, A/C, PW, price as tested UK 27,495.

EVO VII RS Sprint : 320hp, 5 speed, 0-60 5.1 sec, no ABS, no A/C, no PW, price as tested UK 25,995.

Compare this to the regular English WRX at UK 21,995. When comparing prices, the usual US$ to UK$ conversion factor doesn't apply because Jap cars in the UK aren't that much different than the US because of import duties. etc.

Analysis: US STi in 2003 would cost approx. $28,995 with 17" wheels, 261hp, and not really that much faster. Brakes, suspension, tranny, are all better.

SUMMARY COMPARISON: Mini Cooper S took 1st place. Remember, English magazine.
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Old 06-30-2002, 11:44 PM   #2
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dude, the cooper just kicks ass man
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Old 07-01-2002, 12:22 AM   #3
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cooper is ugly as all hell though..my opinion
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Old 07-01-2002, 04:30 AM   #4
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***, I drove a MINI and theres no way I would take it over any of those cars, or even my car!
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Old 07-01-2002, 11:59 AM   #5
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***, I drove a MINI and theres no way I would take it over any of those cars, or even my car!
I believe the "Mini Cooper S" is the supercharged Mini, thus the "S" in the name. Currently we only have the NA one here, so thats most likely what you drove.
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Old 07-01-2002, 01:57 PM   #6
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Aren't the S' here now?
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Old 07-01-2002, 02:24 PM   #7
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I didn't think they were, I could be wrong though. I recall reading something about the S's comming over next year.
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Old 07-01-2002, 02:31 PM   #8
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They're here. They've been here for months. They are hard to find at MSRP, though (many places in SoCal have $3,000-$6,000 markup ).
We're getting one from out of state in about 5 months, deposit was paid in May.
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Old 07-01-2002, 02:31 PM   #9
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Just checked carpoint and Edmunds...

Looks like the S is here now.

I thought I saw a Yellow Cooper S about a week ago.

That front Scoop is pretty obvious.
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Old 07-01-2002, 02:33 PM   #10
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Yup. Once again, I'm a sucker for bugeyes and a scoop.
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Old 07-01-2002, 02:34 PM   #11
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ya.. i've been seeing the Mini Cooper S's around for the past couple months. VERY sweet cars!!! I'd buy 1 if i had $25K lying around.
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Old 07-01-2002, 04:06 PM   #12
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The Mini Cooper S is here. I saw one yesterday in Boston. Light blue with a black top. Distinct hood scoop.
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Old 07-01-2002, 04:09 PM   #13
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At Home Depot yesterday there was a Black Regular Mini with a white top and the English flag was painted in the top like on the Old Mini's.

Is that an option?
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Old 07-01-2002, 05:18 PM   #14
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At Home Depot yesterday there was a Black Regular Mini with a white top and the English flag was painted in the top like on the Old Mini's.

Is that an option?
So far I've seen:
American flags, British flags, and checkered flags as options you can order or have your dealer put on later (along with black or white hood stripes).

Also a checkered flag with the Mini Cooper S's "twisty road red S" logo overlayed across the roof as an aftermarket item. I'll see if I can track down the pic...

Edit: Found it!

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Old 07-01-2002, 07:05 PM   #15
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Why am I having a hard time believing that the UK STi only does 0-60 in 5.8 secs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what the normal US WRXs do stock? Even if they mean 60kph, that still wouldn't make sense.
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Old 07-01-2002, 09:12 PM   #16
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like everything else, 0-60 times are always dependant on the driver... i've heard jdm sti v.7's hit 0-60 in the mid 4's, but that the sti type-uk does it in a little over 5... and who knows, maybe the sti they tested only had a few miles on it...
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Old 07-02-2002, 02:13 AM   #17
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I believe the "Mini Cooper S" is the supercharged Mini, thus the "S" in the name. Currently we only have the NA one here, so thats most likely what you drove.


I obviously know more about the car than you do... And I saw the Cooper S at my local dealer like 2 and a half months ago (yes, I was surprized) Anyway, I drove the N/A, and ALMOST drove the S (I can stop by the dealer any time I want to drive it since they keep test drive cars, but I have no need to do so). The only suspension difference between the S and a standard model are 10% stiffer springs. The one I drove actually had upgraded wheels and tires (All-season performance tires) and it still handled worse than my car...

Of course the S will be alot faster than my car, but its not much faster than the RS... And I can plop an EJ25 into my car for around $1k and toss on an exhaust and intake and be faster than the S.

I just dont have any reason to get a cooper...
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Old 07-02-2002, 11:44 PM   #18
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Faster? I guess you mean in a straight line...
the Cooper S is going to be an absolute menace on the autox course.

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Old 07-03-2002, 01:32 PM   #19
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Arn't the new mini's like a whole 1000 pounds heavier then the old ones? I'm not to impressed by a car the length of a geo metro that weighs like 2,600 pounds.
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Old 07-03-2002, 01:41 PM   #20
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Arn't the new mini's like a whole 1000 pounds heavier then the old ones? I'm not to impressed by a car the length of a geo metro that weighs like 2,600 pounds.
That's the penalty for Airbags, Side Impact bars, emissions, etc. It's so hard the get truely light weight cars now a days.
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Old 07-03-2002, 02:00 PM   #21
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I read the article and was very unimpressed with the Mini.

I thought - if this car was made in Detroit or Japan, they

would never stop ragging on it.

It was the slowest by far, but they were trying to convince you

that it had some sort of ineffible quality. British mags always

do that when they're trying to figure out how and Austin Rover

is better than an M5 or some such nonsense.

Of course the mini is small, light and agile...so's a civic or a ford

focus, so what?

I believe the reality is this cars appeal is it's cuteness and Anglo

nostalgia.

I'll be fair though and admit I can't say for sure until I drive one,

but....I take British mag comments about this car with giant-ass

pillars of salt.
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Old 07-04-2002, 01:35 PM   #22
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That typing style made me dizzy...
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