Another 1.8 to 2.2, but won't start

2ndcar · 11-08-2010, 05:40 PM

I started this swap on Friday hoping to be done with it on Sunday but that wasn't the case.

I have a 95 Impreza Outback with a 1.8 egr motor. I am trying to swap in a 2.2 from a 93 legacy. I swapped over all the sensors, manifold, and wiring. My 1.8 was running just fine except for a massive oil leak.

Right now I can't get the engine to run. It has spark and fuel. I checked the timing and it is correct, as far as I am aware.

I guess my first guess would be that the timing is off, but not sure. I lined up the gears with lines on the timing belt is there anything else that would have needed to be done while doing that?

The car cranks but will not fire? I am at a loss at what it could be I've been going through the posts that others have done to see if I have similar issues but can't seem to figure it out.

Please help

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tbland86 · 11-08-2010, 08:36 PM

so i have a 93 impreza. went to work the other day when i life the car will not start. when you turn the key you get power to dash lights and radio. You can hear the fuel pump kick on. I put my hand on the main relay and i can feel it clicking as i turn the key. Pulled the starter and had it bench tested and it tested good. have 12v going to the starter form the batt+ and it ground is good. I get nothing from the starter when i turn the key and ideas.

Jessekrs123 · 11-08-2010, 09:19 PM

You swapped the whole 2.2 engine in? Was the engine running before you swapped it in? Check compression and see what you come up with.

Storm · 11-09-2010, 08:28 AM

2ndcar: The pulleys need to be lined up with timing marks on the motor. The belt marks just make it easier to install. If the crank belt mark is off a few teeth and you turn the cams to match the belt marks, it'll be all f'd up. Also, once you turn the motor over, the belt marks won't line up again anyway. For you, the timing mark on all 3 pulleys need to be at 12:00. Not arrows....hashmarks. Check this to verify timing. If it looks good, check the fuel lines. I've crossed them up and had a heck of a time finding the problem.

Jay

2ndcar · 11-10-2010, 11:29 AM

Ok thanks Jay,

I think that might be my problem I recall lining up the crank sprocket with the arrow not the hash mark.

When doing the timing I lined the cams up with the mark on the rear timing cover and then used the marks on the belt as reference. But I must have lined up the arrow on the crank sprocket.

IIRC the distance is supposed to be 44 teeth and 40.5 teeth

2ndcar · 11-10-2010, 12:11 PM

Is there a hash on the crank sprocket? I just took the timing cover off and all I can see is the arrow head on the crank sprocket.

2ndcar · 11-10-2010, 07:17 PM

Just did a compression test on all the cylinders. Both passenger side cylinders tested at 100 psi and both driver's side cylinders test at 70 psi.

What are my options from here?

It seems odd that both driver's side cylinders are exactly the same psi less than the other two.

2ndcar · 11-20-2010, 06:44 PM

Ok, so since i couldn't figure out the compression issue I decided to pull the 2.2 apart. So far i've removed the heads and removed the driver's side cam from the corresponding head.

A couple of the exhaust valves seemed a little corroded. I'll try to get pictures as soon as possible.

I am wanting to break the block down and measure the bore size and piston size to see if they are within spec.

Does anyone know what the bore size is and the tolerance?

And piston size and tolerance?

11-08-2010, 05:40 PM	#1
2ndcar Scooby Newbie Member#: 221863 Join Date: Aug 2009 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Waukesha, Wi Vehicle: 1995 Impreza Outback Two Tone	Another 1.8 to 2.2, but won't start I started this swap on Friday hoping to be done with it on Sunday but that wasn't the case. I have a 95 Impreza Outback with a 1.8 egr motor. I am trying to swap in a 2.2 from a 93 legacy. I swapped over all the sensors, manifold, and wiring. My 1.8 was running just fine except for a massive oil leak. Right now I can't get the engine to run. It has spark and fuel. I checked the timing and it is correct, as far as I am aware. I guess my first guess would be that the timing is off, but not sure. I lined up the gears with lines on the timing belt is there anything else that would have needed to be done while doing that? The car cranks but will not fire? I am at a loss at what it could be I've been going through the posts that others have done to see if I have similar issues but can't seem to figure it out. Please help * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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11-08-2010, 08:36 PM	#2
tbland86 Scooby Newbie Member#: 260674 Join Date: Oct 2010	so i have a 93 impreza. went to work the other day when i life the car will not start. when you turn the key you get power to dash lights and radio. You can hear the fuel pump kick on. I put my hand on the main relay and i can feel it clicking as i turn the key. Pulled the starter and had it bench tested and it tested good. have 12v going to the starter form the batt+ and it ground is good. I get nothing from the starter when i turn the key and ideas.

11-08-2010, 09:19 PM	#3
Jessekrs123 Scooby Specialist Member#: 236927 Join Date: Jan 2010 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Oakville CT Vehicle: 1993 Legacy Sedan 1984 BRAT	You swapped the whole 2.2 engine in? Was the engine running before you swapped it in? Check compression and see what you come up with.

11-09-2010, 08:28 AM	#4
Storm Scooby Guru Member#: 5218 Join Date: Mar 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: SAUL'S Motorsports Vehicle: 96L Most Over- Developed Beater	2ndcar: The pulleys need to be lined up with timing marks on the motor. The belt marks just make it easier to install. If the crank belt mark is off a few teeth and you turn the cams to match the belt marks, it'll be all f'd up. Also, once you turn the motor over, the belt marks won't line up again anyway. For you, the timing mark on all 3 pulleys need to be at 12:00. Not arrows....hashmarks. Check this to verify timing. If it looks good, check the fuel lines. I've crossed them up and had a heck of a time finding the problem. Jay

11-10-2010, 11:29 AM	#5
2ndcar Scooby Newbie Member#: 221863 Join Date: Aug 2009 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Waukesha, Wi Vehicle: 1995 Impreza Outback Two Tone	Ok thanks Jay, I think that might be my problem I recall lining up the crank sprocket with the arrow not the hash mark. When doing the timing I lined the cams up with the mark on the rear timing cover and then used the marks on the belt as reference. But I must have lined up the arrow on the crank sprocket. IIRC the distance is supposed to be 44 teeth and 40.5 teeth

11-10-2010, 12:11 PM	#6
2ndcar Scooby Newbie Member#: 221863 Join Date: Aug 2009 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Waukesha, Wi Vehicle: 1995 Impreza Outback Two Tone	Is there a hash on the crank sprocket? I just took the timing cover off and all I can see is the arrow head on the crank sprocket.

11-10-2010, 07:17 PM	#7
2ndcar Scooby Newbie Member#: 221863 Join Date: Aug 2009 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Waukesha, Wi Vehicle: 1995 Impreza Outback Two Tone	Just did a compression test on all the cylinders. Both passenger side cylinders tested at 100 psi and both driver's side cylinders test at 70 psi. What are my options from here? It seems odd that both driver's side cylinders are exactly the same psi less than the other two.

11-20-2010, 06:44 PM	#8
2ndcar Scooby Newbie Member#: 221863 Join Date: Aug 2009 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Waukesha, Wi Vehicle: 1995 Impreza Outback Two Tone	Ok, so since i couldn't figure out the compression issue I decided to pull the 2.2 apart. So far i've removed the heads and removed the driver's side cam from the corresponding head. A couple of the exhaust valves seemed a little corroded. I'll try to get pictures as soon as possible. I am wanting to break the block down and measure the bore size and piston size to see if they are within spec. Does anyone know what the bore size is and the tolerance? And piston size and tolerance?