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Old 07-01-2011, 03:46 PM   #26
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Prepare for them to blow ass.
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Old 07-01-2011, 03:48 PM   #27
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WP7...
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I'm hoping that most, if not all of the complaints mentioned in this thread have been fixed in the recent update.
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Old 07-01-2011, 03:51 PM   #29
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I don't see them fixing that horribly ugly GUI anytime soon.
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Most of our staff use these daily. I've heard very little in the way of complaints.
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Old 07-01-2011, 04:00 PM   #31
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I don't see them fixing that horribly ugly GUI anytime soon.
I think the homescreen is sexy. Hopefully actual navigation is just as good.
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Old 07-09-2011, 06:02 PM   #32
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Got my Samsung Focus on Thursday. So far, it does not dissapoint, in fact, it impresses. The UI is way better than that on the iPhone, which is what I've switched from. It's clean, bold, streamlined, and uncluttered. Very easy to navigate and very responsive, I've found it to be a bit more intuitive than the iPhone.

I honestly don't understand what all of the negative hubbub surrounding WP7 is At least for a casual user, it's really good. I get that MS is late to the game and as of yet doesn't offer much that is new in the smartphone space, but this is an excellent entry point. The Mango update will offer quite a few enhancements.
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Old 07-09-2011, 06:15 PM   #33
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I honestly don't understand what all of the negative hubbub surrounding WP7 is At least for a casual user, it's really good. I get that MS is late to the game and as of yet doesn't offer much that is new in the smartphone space, but this is an excellent entry point. The Mango update will offer quite a few enhancements.
Yep. If you're not an iPhone fanboy and don't want the crazy customization offered by Android, WP7 does exactly what it's supposed to and does it very well.
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Old 07-09-2011, 06:42 PM   #34
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Yep. If you're not an iPhone fanboy and don't want the crazy customization offered by Android, WP7 does exactly what it's supposed to and does it very well.
Indeed. So far, no ass has been blown.
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I think it's just fallout from most people's general dislike of the Microsoft corporation.
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I think it's just fallout from most people's general dislike of the Microsoft corporation.
Are people still clinging to that

I mean really, with Apple and Google nowadays, Microsoft is looking almost saintly
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Are people still clinging to that

I mean really, with Apple and Google nowadays, Microsoft is looking almost saintly
Also, WM6.x left a bad taste in a lot of mouths. Fool me once something something
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Also, WM6.x left a bad taste in a lot of mouths. Fool me once something something
Fair enough. But, WP7 is to 6.5 what the current Mustang is to the Fox body; a revolutionary change, not just an evolution.
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Fair enough. But, WP7 is to 6.5 what the current Mustang is to the Fox body; a revolutionary change, not just an evolution.
It's a decent OS for sure. It sure beats the hell out of RIM.

I'll never switch to it though- my whole existence is now pretty much melded with google... I'm part of the collective

My appointments, phone calls, voicemail, email, music, navigation, and most recently now, my social networking... almost all of it happens through the big G.
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Old 07-11-2011, 11:03 AM   #40
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Mango update pushed back until December, ah well...

http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-brie...o-to-christmas

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Microsoft originally used the word "fall" to describe when the huge update to its Windows Phone platform would arrive.

But now, it seems the ambiguous release window has been replaced with the word "Christmas.

At least, that's how Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer referred to the target launch of Windows Phone Mango, also known as Windows Phone 7.5, at a recent company event.

"We have the second generation of our phones coming out this Christmas, and people are starting to do things they had never imagined before," Ballmer said, as quoted in an official statement on Microsoft's press site.

While not admitting there was any delay in the development of the platform, that seems to be pushing back a bit from when Microsoft originally unveiled Mango in May. Back then, company representatives said it would be available in the fall, which technically runs from September 22 to December 21. A "Christmas" (~December 25) launch would be outside that window.

When we heard Microsoft promise that fall release date, we were already a bit skeptical, given the company's early track record with Windows Phone. It took an inordinate amount of time - and failed target dates - just to release a minor functional update to the platform earlier this year.

Mango is a massive, game-changing update that totally re-works the way the operating system functions. It would be something of a miracle for Microsoft to release it on time.

Nevertheless, the always enthusiastic Ballmer is quite excited about Windows Phone's future. "You know, a year ago we didn’t have a phone in the market. Now, we’re charging forward with Nokia," he said. "I love the applications that I saw for the Windows Phone ... and the way [developers are] pushing that device, and using that device. It was really exciting for me."
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Old 07-11-2011, 11:17 AM   #42
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So the "Mango" update will likely come out in early January 2012 and put WP7 on par with iOS from 2008. Nice work!
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Key Mango features....

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Microsoft is about to start the Windows Phone Mango launch event which will bring more than 500 features to the platform Steve Ballmer said he wished would have launched one year earlier. Here are the main features the platform refresh will bring to future and current smartphones.

A. Communications, with information organized around a person or a group:
- the ability to toggle between Facebook Chat, Windows Live Messenger Chat and Messages, all in one conversation
- Contact groups can be turned into personalized Live Tiles for a quick glance of recent status updates as well as a fast way of interacting right from the Start screen
- Twitter integration as well as LinkedIn integration with Contacts
- Facebook check-ins with better face detection and easy tagging
- Linked inbox for combining several accounts with grouped messages and conversation view
- Hands-free messaging with speech-to-text and text-to-speech

B. Applications
- Multitasking with some applications having the ability to run in the background. The user can easily toggle between them
- Improved Dynamic Live Tiles allow for easy information retrieval and update without the need for the corresponding app to be open
- Applications will be featured on Search results and Hubs and will be displayed when necessary

C. Internet
- Internet Explorer 9 brings PC browser power to your smartphone with HTML 5 and hardware acceleration
- Local Scout gives you local recommendations for restaurants, shops, activities in your vicinity while displaying them in an easy to read manner
- Improved Bing featuring Bing Vision, Music Search and Voice for easily recognizing images, tags, songs and your speech
- Quick Cards will bring you a relevant summary and applications while searching for a product, movie, event or place.

D. The Ecosystem
The platform and ecosystem will be further improved by welcoming three new hardware partners: Acer, Fujitsu Ltd and ZTE. These OEMs committed to delivering Windows Phones on a global scale by the end of this year.

E. Windows Phone Beta Tools
The new Mango Tools for developers will go live on Microsoft's page in the upcoming 24 hours for developers to download and use to create a new generation of Mango apps and games that will take advantage of the new features introduced.

There's still a lot more to Windows Phone 7 Mango and its more than 500 features it will bring but these are the most noteworthy among all. Let's wait and see these in action as well as hear the others from Microsoft itself at today's Mango Launch Event.

Best thing among all? It's coming to a Windows Phone near you at the beginning of this autumn! Hopefully carriers will do a great job at testing and Microsoft at pushing it out in time. Might not have to wait for the Holiday season to grab it after all! (OK, perhaps not!)
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/w...fully-revealed
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Old 07-11-2011, 11:58 AM   #45
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A more exhaustive list of new features....

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I’ve just compiled a relatively long list of all the most important new features that are going to be introduced with Windows Phone 7 Mango later this fall. Some features are still probably missing either because they haven’t been announced yet or because I forgot about them so feel free to let me know in the comments and I’ll update this list. You will notice that there’s obviously less that 500 features which is the official PR claim. Unfortunately Microsoft isn’t saying what is exactly counted as new feature so I’m going to guess that it’s mix between some of the new APIs and end-user functionalities. Hit the break to check the most important features:


Last Updated: July 2 2011 (latest changes are in bold)

People, Messaging, Outlook:

- Twitter, LinkedIn, Viadeo integration in the People Hub
- Groups: Organize contacts by groups which can also be pinned on the start screen
- Contact cards now include all the contacts conversation history (sms,mails,mms etc..)
- Facebook Places check-in support
- Windows Live Messenger and Facebook Chat integration
- Threads: All messaging communication organized in a single thread (IM+SMS/MMS)
- Threaded email conversations support
- Outlook Tasks support: via Exchange. Tasks / To-Do’s are then located in the calendar
- Facebook events integrated into the calendar
- Linked mail accounts: Multiple email accounts can be combined and linked into one inbox.
- Built-in voice-to-text/text-to-voice functionality, which will allow for hands-free texting or chatting.
- Server Search (Exchange)
- Complex (alpha-numeric) password support
- Information Rights Management support for protecting e-mails and Office documents
- Outlook Out Of Office replies support

Bing:

- Bing Vision: barcode (US only), covers (US Only),DVD/CD/BR scanning (US Only), QR Code ,MS Tags and OCR text translation
- Bing Audio / Music Search; Shazam like audio search
- Bing Local Scout: Around me business locator
- Bing Quick Cards: Product/Media information, reviews
- Bing Maps: Indoor Maps (US Only)
- Bing Search: Image search results
- Bing Search: Extras / App Connect
- Bing Maps: Turn-by-Turn navigation Voice guidance
- Color dithering applied to Bing Daily image

Office Hub:

- Skydrive and Office 365 documents syncing. (PDF supported but Adobe PDF app required to view them)
- Share Skydrive hosted content over email, SMS and chat (Messenger / Facebook)
- Excel Mobile now supports Sum function
- Microsoft Lync support via downloadable application

Pictures Hub:

- Direct access to the camera roll
- People / Groups photo gallery (Skydrive and Facebook syncing)
- People tagging in the photos (Skydrive and Facebook syncing)
- Photo Auto-Fix: Automatically improves sharpness, brightness etc..
- Picture Hub Tile is now animated
- Video sharing via MMS and Email
- Video uploads to Facebook and Skydrive (upload is done in the background)

Music & Video:

- Zune SmartDJ Mix support
- Artist picture now displays on lock screen when music is played
- UI change of the media controls on the lock screen
- Re-located playback controls
- Re-located Shuffle / Repeat controls
- Ability to re-size video aspect-ratio during playback
- Single music track repeat without having to pin it on the start screen
- Podcast downloads / Subscriptions (US only)
- Open / Play media content by voice
- Improved artist images
- Improved History and New
- Better data management for Zune Pass subscribers: shows current data consumption
- Ability to create music playlists directly on the phone
- Improved color dithering in the video player
- Ability to scrub/seek in videos via the timeline

Marketplace:

- Revamped Marketplace UI and search

Camera:

- Disable/Enable Shutter sound
- UI changes (new icons + added arrow icon on the lower left of the viewfinder to indicate camera roll)
- Settings are now saved when the Camera application is closed
- Smoother 720P video recording
- Touch Focus Touch the screen to trigger the camera shutter
- Front Facing camera support

Xbox / Games hub:

- Re-designed games hub
- 3D Avatar
- Avatar customization is now integrated in the Hub
- Friends and achievement now integrated in the hub
- In-Game purchase API
- Improved game request notifications
- Improved Spotlight content
- Improved Xbox LIVE messaging
- Edit your profile
- Improved Spotlight Content

IE9 Mobile:

- Hardware accelerate HTML5 rendering
- Support for HTML5 video playback (through the native media player) and Background Audio Streaming
- Geolocation
- New JavaScript Engine and support for CSS3
- New UI with URL bar at the bottom of the screen
- URL Bar and UI now available in landscape
- Color dithering is now enabled in the browser and Browser control

Other OS changes:

- Third party applications Multi-Tasking and fast application switching
- Battery Saver: Enabling this feature will allow the phone to automatically disable power consuming services and applications running in the background.
- Hardware search button will now always access Bing Search. A search Icon is now added in the native apps to search in them.
- Ringtone manager
- Search icon and Jumplist added to the application list
- 16 new languages supported
- East-Asian hand-written recognition
- New on screen Keyboard with support for new languages and emoticons
- New Live tiles (can have content displayed on the front and back)
- Live Tasks and Background agents
- App Connect: Deep linking into third party applications. A specific application feature can also be pinned on the start screen
- Hidden WiFi network support
- Optional 32bit color support for Silverlight applications
- Silverlight 4 support with all of its 1500+ APIs
- Silverlight + XNA support in the same application
- Raw Camera feed access
- New Sensor API (Compass, gyro, Accelerometer)
- New Listbox control with improved scrolling performances
- New WebBrowser control uses IE9 rendering engine
- Clipboard API
- Hardware accelerated video decoding in the Mediaplayer control
- TCP/IP Sockets support
- SQL Compact 4.0 engine Embedded Database
- Background file transfer
- Generational Garbage Collector
- NEON/SIMD support for XNA applications
- Qualcomm MSM7X30 and MSM8X55 SoCs support
- XNA games are no longer limited to 30fps (info)
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011/...ango-features/
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I would encourage all the haters to actually try using one before spouting off about iOS/Android/RIM/WP7. It's actually pretty slick.
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The only thing that will win support for it is timing. Microsoft missed that already and is extending it into complete failure zone. But, they won't stop. They'll pay off a bunch of research companies to show how terrible Android and iOS is in comparison and people will continue to ignore them. "But, seriously guys, this time we really have something decent!" "Whatever, Microsoft, you said that 7 times now."
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The only thing that will win support for it is timing. Microsoft missed that already and is extending it into complete failure zone. But, they won't stop. They'll pay off a bunch of research companies to show how terrible Android and iOS is in comparison and people will continue to ignore them. "But, seriously guys, this time we really have something decent!" "Whatever, Microsoft, you said that 7 times now."
Seeing (well, using) is believing, I suppose. I think word of mouth will help them along. WP7 is still in it's infancy, having only been out for a year. If, after another two years they still haven't achieved significant market share (~15-20% of the smartphone market), then I'd agree that they've failed.
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We'll see what happens, but I think they were far too late to the party and offering far too little.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...ssful_yet.html
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Ballmer took time to celebrate some of the successes the company has had over the past year, such as the ongoing success of Microsoft Office and Windows 7. He did display some modesty in admitting that the company did not make major in-roads with Windows Phone 7, though. "In a year, we've gone from very small to ... very small," he said, referring to the market share that phone operating system has made since its introduction last year.

Last month, survey firm Nielsen estimated that Microsoft Phone 7 was in only about 1 percent of all the handsets now being used in the United States.
For as much advertising as I see for WP7, I'd expect them to have more than 1% of the market.
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We'll see what happens, but I think they were far too late to the party and offering far too little.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...ssful_yet.html

For as much advertising as I see for WP7, I'd expect them to have more than 1% of the market.
One-percent is pretty dismal, but the obstacles they are facing are enormous. The iPhone is still pretty much the go-to fashion accessory, and I wonder if Microsoft would be wise to produce their own hardware and create a high-end, haut-couture device that could complete with Apple in the sexiness category.
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