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Old 02-09-2013, 10:46 AM   #1676
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Yeah you can sell some of your stuff off and find a 6 speed for a couple grand with appropriate peripherals. Thing that you have to remember Steve is that he has the newer GR chassis so he has to find a 08+ STi transmission which might be as easy to find for that price as the 04-07s. I do think that it is doable though.

I paid $2,800 with a DSS 4" Aluminum driveshaft for my 07 STi trans w/ ~5,000 miles on it. Drove to toronto to get it, but it was worth it. Sold my 04 STi with 163,000 on it for $2,300. Cannot complain.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:05 AM   #1677
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Thing that you have to remember Steve is that he has the newer GR chassis so he has to find a 08+ STi transmission which might be as easy to find for that price as the 04-07s.
i have an 05 STI 6MT in my 08 WRX. us GH/GE folks can use any 04+ STI and up tranmission and it's an easy swap, thankfully. so, his options are actually endless, really.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:10 AM   #1678
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i have an 05 STI 6MT in my 08 WRX. us GH/GE folks can use any 04+ STI and up tranmission and it's an easy swap, thankfully. so, his options are actually endless, really.

Yeah I was going to say there are different options, I would like the strongest of the STI style trans in the car really, anyone want to chime in on the "strongest"?
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:41 AM   #1679
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Some say thet the 04-05 USDM 6 speeds are the strongest but the 07+ have the longer ratios which is desirable. You could find an 04-05 6 speed and get the Rally Spec long ratio gear sets or just go with the 07+ 6 speed tranny and diff. You do need to match the rear diff to the tranny. 04-05 are 3.90:1 RD and 07+ are 3.54:1 RD.

Here is a very good thread from FujiK on Subaru transmissions and gearing. Definitely worth the read.http://www.rs25.com/forums/f8/t10004...ts-ratios.html

FYI, I did full 07 6 speed swap into my XTI replacing the stock 5MT. I replaced all the cross members, trans, rear diff, trans mounts, rear sub frame, rear axles, drive shaft, starter motor, rear hubs (04 STI for the 5x100) Brembos etc... I spent $4500 on the parts from a complete car that had 10K miles on it. The tranny swap was like new. I am running the DCCD Pro center diff controller on my car and it works great. It allows you to choose the front to rear torque split amount and still be in auto mode!

I remember that monkiboy had the 08+ WRX swap pretty dialed from reading previous posts and threads. I would definitely follow his leads on this.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:58 AM   #1680
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Some say thet the 04-05 USDM 6 speeds are the strongest but the 07+ have the longer ratios which is desirable. You could find an 04-05 6 speed and get the Rally Spec long ratio gear sets or just go with the 07+ 6 speed tranny and diff. You do need to match the rear diff to the tranny. 04-05 are 3.90:1 RD and 07+ are 3.54:1 RD.

Here is a very good thread from FujiK on Subaru transmissions and gearing. Definitely worth the read.http://www.rs25.com/forums/f8/t10004...ts-ratios.html

FYI, I did full 07 6 speed swap into my XTI replacing the stock 5MT. I replaced all the cross members, trans, rear diff, trans mounts, rear sub frame, rear axles, drive shaft, starter motor, rear hubs (04 STI for the 5x100) Brembos etc... I spent $4500 on the parts from a complete car that had 10K miles on it. The tranny swap was like new. I am running the DCCD Pro center diff controller on my car and it works great. It allows you to choose the front to rear torque split amount and still be in auto mode!

I remember that monkiboy had the 08+ WRX swap pretty dialed from reading previous posts and threads. I would definitely follow his leads on this.

I pretty much intend to copy him pretty precisley unless there are huge advantages to going a different route.
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:01 PM   #1681
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I didn't know you could mate the old transmission to the new car. Thought there was something different with the way it attached to the frame of car.

My mistake!
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Old 02-09-2013, 04:50 PM   #1682
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I didn't know you could mate the old transmission to the new car. Thought there was something different with the way it attached to the frame of car.

My mistake!
The big different in going from GD/ GG to GH swap is the change from OBD2 to CANbus. The main difference is in the bell housing. To use an GD/ GG tranny in a GH+ or visa versa you have to swap out the bell housing to use the proper speed sensor. That's about it really. The other stuff is hub related and mating to the STI axles. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's it in a nut shell. Monkiboy please chime in to help us with the finer details of the GD/GG to GH+ swap!

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Old 02-09-2013, 05:57 PM   #1683
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The big different in going from GD/ GG to GH swap is the change from OBD2 to CANbus. The main difference is in the bell housing. To use an GD/ GG tranny in a GH+ or visa versa you have to swap out the bell housing to use the proper speed sensor. That's about it really. The other stuff is hub related and mating to the STI axles. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's it in a nut shell. Monkiboy please chime in to help us with the finer details of the GD/GG to GH+ swap!
not correct.
There is no speed sensor in the newer transmissions. No need to swap anything unless you're going new transmission to Old body style.
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:08 PM   #1684
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not correct.
There is no speed sensor in the newer transmissions. No need to swap anything unless you're going new transmission to Old body style.
Yep, thanks Dom! I knew that you have to do the bell housing swap new to old but was not sure the other way around.
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:52 PM   #1685
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You don't have to swap anything actually

Use this and all problems solved, cheaper then buying a bell-housing and install to boot

http://dccdpro.com/zcart/index.php?m...94985269785f18
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:03 PM   #1686
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VSS PRO SUCKS!!!!!!
I have had almost zero luck with the dccdpro components.
Out of 15 DCCD units, I've only seen 3 that actually work as advertised or at all.
The VSS pro doesn't go to 0mph, it gets stuck at 158mph all the time and causes all sorts of AVCS and idle problems.

I will never use another product from that company again.
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:35 PM   #1687
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VSS PRO SUCKS!!!!!!
I have had almost zero luck with the dccdpro components.
Out of 15 DCCD units, I've only seen 3 that actually work as advertised or at all.
The VSS pro doesn't go to 0mph, it gets stuck at 158mph all the time and causes all sorts of AVCS and idle problems.

I will never use another product from that company again.
I have had no issues what so ever with my DCCD pro controller. 40K miles and counting no issues at all works exactly as it should! It allows me to control the the DCCD torques split from front to rear while in full auto mode. With the DCCD Pro the thumb wheel allows you to vary the DCCD in full auto which you cannot do with the stock STI controller. Teams like GST's unlimited time attack car run this controller in full on time attack race conditions!

I have no experience with the VSS pro adapater so I can't comment on that! It seems like this should be an easy conversion for the speed sensor.

I am using the the Healtech Speedohealer to recalibrate my FXT speedometer for the 07 6 speed swap and the larger 245/45x18 (26.7" dia.) tires I run. This speed sensor adapter work perfectly on my car!
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:00 PM   #1688
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yeah, no issues with my dccdpro either. have had mine running for a little over 30k miles. it's also great the jeff (dccdpro) is so responsive and has awesome customer service and is continually expanding and advancing his products. we didn't have any of this usb user-programmable modes or algorithms uploads and firmware updates that you can do on the fly now. nonetheless, even if it were the same offering as a few years ago, i'd go with the same dccdpro unit. i also like how jeff incorporates the OEM controls.

we are also working on deciphering the CAN code on his test bench to be able to utilize the GR dccd controller knob with an OEM GR cluster for the on-cluster DCCD locking graph and other controls. that is going to be really something to have complete OEM "functionality" with the OEM components in a WRX with advanced algorithms as coded by jeff for likely enhanced performance coupled with the additional input from the sensors in the dccdpro!
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:27 PM   #1689
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VSS PRO SUCKS!!!!!!
I have had almost zero luck with the dccdpro components.
Out of 15 DCCD units, I've only seen 3 that actually work as advertised or at all.
The VSS pro doesn't go to 0mph, it gets stuck at 158mph all the time and causes all sorts of AVCS and idle problems.

I will never use another product from that company again.
Tell us how you really feel!

Ive never really had any issues. I can remember 1 dccd controller not working out of maybe 100 or so I have either installed or used on the dyno

I have seen the 0 mph problem, but fixed it by cleaning off the magnets on the ABS sensors.


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Old 02-10-2013, 12:10 AM   #1690
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I spent $4500 on the parts from a complete car that had 10K miles on it. .
I forgot to mention that I sold my FXT 5 speed swap kit for $1700 , so I recouped some of my material costs!
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:40 PM   #1691
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We always get sent ****.

I'm not exaggerating. Out of all the units we have come across, only 3 have ever worked properly. I had one that failed within 5 minutes. Others that just stop responding to inputs, others that operate backwards etc.
I'm sure a couple could be the installation as I have no way of knowing what customers do to their own cars sometimes.
We've only installed two. One didnt work. The other did.
The VSS Pro was terrible. Cleaning magnets shouldn't do anything. It's supposed to be reading a pulse. If the wheel is stationary, there should be no pulse. More or less magnetic material shouldn't create a fluctuating magnetic field when stationary.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:42 AM   #1692
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Ya 2 for 2 on DCCDpro units as well. Both work flawlessly...installed by me. 3rd going in soon

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Old 02-11-2013, 01:38 AM   #1693
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Can try this one:


http://www.mapdccd.com/
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Old 02-12-2013, 11:15 AM   #1694
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VSS PRO SUCKS!!!!!!
I have had almost zero luck with the dccdpro components.
Out of 15 DCCD units, I've only seen 3 that actually work as advertised or at all.
The VSS pro doesn't go to 0mph, it gets stuck at 158mph all the time and causes all sorts of AVCS and idle problems.

I will never use another product from that company again.
THERE YOU GO JOSHUA EPP!!!!!

THANK ME LATER LOL
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Old 02-12-2013, 11:23 AM   #1695
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lmao, I see the light! I'm definitely glad we went that route! How's that broken rod coming along? ~.^

Alex, will you post a video of the new exhaust note?
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Old 02-12-2013, 11:51 AM   #1696
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Ya 2 for 2 on DCCDpro units as well
Do you mean good or no good??
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Old 02-12-2013, 11:59 AM   #1697
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Yeah I need to get a new video with the N1 on, I am staying totally out of boost until the tune is redone but I can't wait to hear it singing at 8k! Lol
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lmao, I see the light! I'm definitely glad we went that route! How's that broken rod coming along? ~.^

Alex, will you post a video of the new exhaust note?
Rod? lol
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Can try this one:


http://www.mapdccd.com/

that is f'n TITS!

If that system actually works, that's what I'll be selling.

Anyone here used that before? Any testimonials? Customer support?
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Rod? lol
Just bustin' his balls, Dave's really gone all out on this. Definitely gone the extra mile!

Alex, I'm counting down the days to the tune! Your beast is going rock the house, I'm stoked to hear it.
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