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Old 11-18-2010, 08:55 AM   #1
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Default Summer tires for 2011 - looking ahead

I'm starting to look ahead for my next set of summer performance tires.

I have the Dunlop Direzza Star Specs. I had them on for two seasons as a daily driver and used them as well for the occasional weekend auto-x event.

The tires are more-or-less at the end of their life, which is what I expected by keeping them on for two seasons from spring through fall.

At the last auto-x event of the season, I and a friend used my car and so it saw double-duty that day. At the end of the event, one tire had a cut-and-peel-back as if it were starting to delaminate. Another tire had several lateral cracks in the center tread. I have seen another person post a similar happening to his Star Spec tires in that they began to delaminate.

This is exactly what I don't need if the tire is going to be used for daily driving and the occasional auto-x event.

I need a high performance summer tire that has some wet traction as well as for quick heating for auto-x. I fully understand that there is always a compromise, but delamination is not one of them.

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Old 11-19-2010, 12:21 AM   #2
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If you want to be competitive in autoX in a street tire class- the Star Spec is the way to go. If being 100% competitive is not your 1st concern there are several other great tires out.

Yokohama Advan Neova's
Bridgestone RE-11's
The new Falken Azenia FK-615 is supposed to be pretty good, but I haven't seen any first hand
Kuhmo has one out that's good, but I can't remember the name.
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federal 595RS-R
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Old 11-19-2010, 02:32 AM   #4
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federal 595RS-R
this guy speaks the truth. Hell, any of the 595's are good (I'd lean towards either the 595Evo or ss595 if you are wanting dual duty). I've been EXTREMELY happy so far.
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Old 11-23-2010, 02:24 PM   #5
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You're going to have to figure out your desired balance between daily-driver and auto-x.

Do you auto-x for fun or to be competitive?
How long (years, miles) do you need these tires to last?
Are you going to do an occasional track day too?
Is noise/comfort for daily-driving a concernt?
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Old 11-23-2010, 02:32 PM   #6
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this guy speaks the truth. Hell, any of the 595's are good (I'd lean towards either the 595Evo or ss595 if you are wanting dual duty). I've been EXTREMELY happy so far.
got any leads on where to get the 595rsr or evo? the 595rsr is never in stock...
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Old 11-24-2010, 09:23 AM   #7
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Thanks for the feedback.

*I auto-x for fun and I do push the car. So being 100% competitive is not necessary.
*If I get two full summers out of the tires I'm happy.
*No track; not yet at least.
*Noise and comfort are not an issue; performance is. I have suspension/chassis mods and so noise and comfort are not an issue: see post #145: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...2049683&page=6
*I have considered the Bridgestone Potenza RE-11's
*I have considered the Federal 595RS-R's (but where to get?)
*Summer wheels are Enkei NT03+M, 17" x 8" and my next tire size consideration is 235/40-17
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my next tire size consideration is 235/40-17
Just curious, why 235/40 over 245/40?
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Big-e, not sure if you did or not but google car and drivers summer tire test, a really good comparison on extreme summer tires.

I love my star specs too. I would recommend the hankook ventus evo v12s. On par with the star specs in dry, excellent in wet, cheaper, lighter and better tread wear rating. Hankook has a new ventus, rs2 I believe, that should be even better in the dry but I have not seen a review on it yet. For what it's worth, i'm going to give them try when my specs wear out at the end of next summer, according to you =(
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Just curious, why 235/40 over 245/40?
Cheaper, better acceleration, touch better response and feel on an 8" wheel?

Big-E,

I wouldn't consider the RE-11's. They cost more, wear about the same as the specs, aren't as good in the wet and don't take heat well. You may want to try something new, just to try new, but the Specs are still the best option. And while there has been some delaminating issues here and there, seems to be a very rare occurrence. The V12 and RSR I can't comment on beyond I've seen nobody in competitive motorsports considering them.
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Thanks again for the feedback!

More things to consider.

As for 235/40 vs 245/40, I don't want to roll the rear fender lip.

I don't mind going back to the Star Specs if it is indeed a few isolated incidents regarding the delaminating of the tread.

I just wanted to see what other options are available.
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Cheaper, better acceleration, touch better response and feel on an 8" wheel?

Big-E,

I wouldn't consider the RE-11's. They cost more, wear about the same as the specs, aren't as good in the wet and don't take heat well. You may want to try something new, just to try new, but the Specs are still the best option. And while there has been some delaminating issues here and there, seems to be a very rare occurrence. The V12 and RSR I can't comment on beyond I've seen nobody in competitive motorsports considering them.
i have had both the v12 hankook and the 595RS-R


the v12 hankook is more of a luxury touring tire and is NOT any sort or kind of 'performance' tire and is WAY WAY mislabeled as a performance tire

it is NOT

the 595RS-R IS a hardcore performance tire, no possible doubt
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I highly doubt that but that's your opinion. I would say your description of luxury is probably true because the sidewalls might be a little more squishy. I just don't see what you said could be true if actual testers but them in various tests and determined they rank 2nd behind the star specs. Too bad they didn't test the federals.

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I highly doubt that but that's your opinion. I would say your description of luxury is probably true because the sidewalls might be a little more squishy. I just don't see what you said could be true if actual testers but them in various tests and determined they rank 2nd behind the star specs. Too bad they didn't test the federals.

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you are a moron

I have used MANY UHP tires over the last 20 years


and I can tell you with NO FEAR OF CONTRADICTION THAT WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE V12 HANKOOKS IS TRUE

I have recently used the HTRz II, RT-215 Falkens, Kumho MX, falken 451 and 452, RT-615, 595RS-R and finally the v12 Hankook which is JUNK in comparison to all of THOSE


not even in the same galaxy


what tires have YOU used in the last 10 or so years???
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very mature and "professional" of a guru here on the forums

I've used WAY less tires than you have - stock tires and now the Star Specs - good for you, you have a lot of experience, thanks for your opinions.

I'm a little tired of your ramblings when someone states something contrary to you. I understand you've been around here on the forums and have PLENTY of experience - awesome - please share, but no one has to agree to all you say especially when referencing comparison tests performed by people who do it for a living.
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very mature and "professional" of a guru here on the forums

I've used WAY less tires than you have - stock tires and now the Star Specs - good for you, you have a lot of experience, thanks for your opinions.

I'm a little tired of your ramblings when someone states something contrary to you. I understand you've been around here on the forums and have PLENTY of experience - awesome - please share, but no one has to agree to all you say especially when referencing comparison tests performed by people who do it for a living.
I dont post **** like the rest of the kiddies around here DO

if you have something to share about your experiences with tires, do so

otherwise....shut it

too many idiots posting out their asses around here


I have had these hankook v12 tires on my car for 14k miles TOO LONG....I should have ****canned them a long time ago

now...I dont give a rats ass what YOU think.......because that is irrelevant, here
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I love my star specs too. I would recommend the hankook ventus evo v12s. On par with the star specs in dry, excellent in wet, cheaper, lighter and better tread wear rating. Hankook has a new ventus, rs2 I believe, that should be even better in the dry but I have not seen a review on it yet. For what it's worth, i'm going to give them try when my specs wear out at the end of next summer, according to you =(
hankook's top tire is the rs3, which is far better for autox/track than the v12 evo which is more along the lines of a falken fk452, bridgestone re760, etc.

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I highly doubt that but that's your opinion. I would say your description of luxury is probably true because the sidewalls might be a little more squishy. I just don't see what you said could be true if actual testers but them in various tests and determined they rank 2nd behind the star specs. Too bad they didn't test the federals.

Happy thanksgiving everyone!
the 595rsr is a tire that i've been trying to get my hands on for awhile. right now, it's a toss up between starspecs, nitto nt05s, and the federal 595rsr...all of which are about the same level of performance. i would not buy the v12 evo for autox/track if you're looking to be competitive. i would only consider the v12 evo as a better performing daily driven tire with autox/track duty for fun.

some test results on the 595rsr: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2045953
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hankook's top tire is the rs3, which is far better for autox/track than the v12 evo which is more along the lines of a falken fk452, bridgestone re760, etc.


no....no they are NOT......the 452 was a far better performance tire than the v12 is...no doubt


the 595rsr is a tire that i've been trying to get my hands on for awhile. right now, it's a toss up between starspecs, nitto nt05s, and the federal 595rsr...all of which are about the same level of performance. i would not buy the v12 evo for autox/track if you're looking to be competitive. i would only consider the v12 evo as a better performing daily driven tire with autox/track duty for fun.

THAT would be a HUGE mistake...I have these tires and they ARE A hUGE MISTAKE.....TRUST ME ON THIS ONE

some test results on the 595rsr: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2045953
the 595RS-R is VERY good
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I've been overly satisfied with my re-11's. Great wet grip, stupid dry grip and all around fun to drive on. I know they're more expensive, but I drove the re070's for 35k. And these have a better rating. They still had tread, though I suffered a puncture to the sidewall and replaced all four.
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I have the 595rsr's on order in 265 but I'm thinking of going with a wider size, in 285 with the Conti DW's. These seem to get great reviews and are the top rated tire in that size. Any experiences on the DW's? I would be autocrossing maybe two or three times a month, but I don't really care about times or placement, just out there to have fun.

I've had the Star Specs this summer and I've experienced the same delamination and lateral cracking. They don't really like getting heat cycled it seems.
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this guy speaks the truth. Hell, any of the 595's are good (I'd lean towards either the 595Evo or ss595 if you are wanting dual duty). I've been EXTREMELY happy so far.
I have had the SS595 and EVO595. I purchased the SS first and took them back as I felt the sidewall was not as stiff as I'd like. Grip was very good though and wet performance is second to none. I picked up the EVO's instead and it was much better than the SS's in the dry - more grip, tighter sidewalls. It is good in the wet but not like the SS. Overall a great tire which I am more than pleased with. I have not tried the 595 RS or RS-R but I would say they are great tires. The RS-R is the king of value IMO. My tire purchase was based on value and bang/$$ and these deliver. My next tires will be the EVO's or higher. BTW they run wider than stated by 5-10mm.

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I have the 595rsr's on order in 265 but I'm thinking of going with a wider size, in 285 with the Conti DW's. These seem to get great reviews and are the top rated tire in that size. Any experiences on the DW's? I would be autocrossing maybe two or three times a month, but I don't really care about times or placement, just out there to have fun.

I've had the Star Specs this summer and I've experienced the same delamination and lateral cracking. They don't really like getting heat cycled it seems.
d0000000000000d....those Federal tires run BIG....and the contis arent in the same galaxy as far as performance
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d0000000000000d....those Federal tires run BIG....and the contis arent in the same galaxy as far as performance
Fine. I'll take your word for it.

No really good street/autox tires in 285 anyways.
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a few guys on the evo forum are switching from the star spec's to rs3's and are happy.
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