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Old 06-30-2002, 02:48 PM   #1
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Default Track/Auto-xers and GTBGUY.....

Let's talk springs one more time. I want some of you folks who use their legacies for autocross and track use to weigh in with spring opinions for the BD. No offense to those who don't, but I am really looking for input from folks with some salient insight into the car's handling characteristics and who have had some seat time. I have AGXs on the car and don't want to drop it past the manufacturer's recommendation, which is I think 1.5" So I am basically looking for a 1" or so drop. But from a spring that performs well, not for looks. I understand some of us out there have had inconsistent results with some brands...one guy gets a 1", the other guy gets almost 2" from the same brand, etc.

Also, GTBGUY dangled the prospect of JDM Legacy RS-spec springs in front of our noses several months ago. What is the deal there?

Then again, I should probably just save up for some 17"s, eh?
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Old 06-30-2002, 06:27 PM   #2
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I want to know the samething. PDM racing has I great deal on Eilbach springs right now.



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Then again, I should probably just save up for some 17"s, eh?
Are you going to auto-x on 17's?
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Old 06-30-2002, 10:46 PM   #3
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Yeah, I could use some advice right now too because once my Goodridge lines are in, I'm going to pop in my AGXs with Intrax Sport springs which will take my GT right to the cut-off margin for the AGXs at 1.5" drop. I'd like to investigate alternatives.

BTW - I auto-x on my 17's (7.5" Konig Tantrums) with no problems and plenty of torque off the line and up through the course speed range. My goal is to get the 4 pots and/or stoptech brakes under there and move the GT vented 2 pots to the rear.

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Old 07-02-2002, 01:12 PM   #4
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lucien2 - sorry for not being able to reply sooner.. I've been in Co. Springs for PPIHC. Anyways, there wasn't enough interested to manufacture the JDM Spec Legacy RS springs it's a very expensive process to run only a few sets of springs, hence wouldn't be very feasible. (It'd cost a ludicrist amount of money per set then).

The H&R's aren't too bad at all. They're within spec. However the Eibach's are also the other choice.

Find a good set of wheels/tires, this will help compensate for handling in the meanwhile
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Old 07-02-2002, 02:04 PM   #5
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lucien2, I think I can do better than give you an explanation of the Eibachs . . . hows about some seat time in my Legacy at the next autocross? I'm sure we can arrange to swap cars for a couple runs, if you want.

I just got my car back and if you want to REALLY drive on a legacy with the Eibachs, lemme know.

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Old 07-02-2002, 05:07 PM   #6
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2.5GT - That's really decent of you to put Lucien2 behind the wheel of your car for a comparo. Any San Diego Legacy owners, with Eibach or other aftermarket springs/suspensions installed, willing to swap cars for a day, or even an abbreviated circuit around the county? Let me know.

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Old 07-02-2002, 05:42 PM   #7
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Jason-

I will certainly take you up on that offer at some point. Due to a major deadline looming on the horizon, I am probably out of the autocross bidniss until September or so. But that gives me time to get these 205/55/16 Azenis that someone gave me mounted on my '00 RS rims. Shooting for track school in Sept. also. I'll be in touch! thanks again-
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Old 07-03-2002, 09:33 AM   #8
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SEPTEMBER?!?!?!? That is one helluva extended vacation from autocrossing!!

Subietonic, I've seen Lucien drive at a few autocrosses this year and we seem to drive "similar" times . . . I am confident that he won't do anything worse to my car than I do to it myself

Lucien, lemme know when you'll be back in the saddle.

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Old 07-03-2002, 09:54 AM   #9
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My goal is to get the 4 pots and/or stoptech brakes under there and move the GT vented 2 pots to the rear.
Dale - Unless you don't mind losing your parking brake, there is no way to make the front brakes work on the rear of the car.

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Old 07-03-2002, 12:24 PM   #10
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Patrick,

You're absolutely correct. E-brake is a must for those 90 degree turns . What I meant was to put the H6 vented rears on the back not the 2 pot vented from the front of the GT. I completely misstated my intention. Thanks for catching that before someone else presumed that could be done and tried it to their consternation. Gracias!

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Old 07-03-2002, 12:39 PM   #11
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I like my eibach's but I'm considering changing to a set of Tein springs. The rates are fair bit higher than the eibachs and they are linear instead of progressive. I'm pretty serious about autocrossing, so I have very little interested in soft ride.
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Old 07-03-2002, 01:22 PM   #12
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What I meant was to put the H6 vented rears on the back not the 2 pot vented from the front of the GT.
Allow me to catch another error (as I once again post off-topic in this thread) . The H6 rotors aren't vented, they're just bigger in diameter. The only vented rear rotors I know of are the 1st Gen Legacy Turbo rotors - I think they're the same diameter as our 2.5GT rotors, but they're vented and use a different caliper and pad.

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Old 07-04-2002, 01:18 AM   #13
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One of the guys on this past weekend's Palomar mountain run had just installed a new set of Tein's and he loved them. We were pushing hard through a lot of really twisty-turny road bits and his car was as flat and stable looking as any I've ever seen. I was really impressed. Understand this is an expensive alternative but if you're really serious about handling, it's certainly an alternative to consider.

Patrick - I was editing my "correction" really quickly from work and I left off a critical piece of information which you faithfully caught. What I had put in the post and then apparently cntrl-X'd out was the following piece: "put the H6 or, alternatively, the Legacy Turbo vented rears on the back...". Thanks for checking my six.

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Are you talking about Tein coil-overs? I'm looking at a set of replacement (fit on the regular struts) springs. They will run about the same, if not a little cheaper than the Eibachs. As soon as I round up the dough, I'll probably go ahead and order them. If anyone wants more info on them, you can contact Dale Teague. He checked on them for me about a week ago, but I can't order them yet. He should be able to tell you the exact spring rates and a price.

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Old 07-04-2002, 12:00 PM   #15
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Pleiades,

I was referring to his adjustable coil-over system. Thanks for the info on the Tein replacement springs. For some reason, I was thinking that the Tein's were only a coil-over system. Guess I been spending too much time with the Rexers. My bad.

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Old 07-04-2002, 12:48 PM   #16
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GTBGUY, could you post those Subaru RS spring rates again, so we can compare them to the current crop of aftermarket stuff?

Jason- to make a long story short, I am in a band with my wife, we have built a home studio to record an album, and are currently almost a year behind where we thought we'd be. Due mainly to having a life and all, but we really need to finish this thing. So we are all foregoing summer fun activities and locking ourselves away in the studio every weekend till it is finished.
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Old 07-05-2002, 08:52 AM   #17
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Woah, that's pretty crazy!!

I hope everything works out for you two!!
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Old 07-09-2002, 02:17 PM   #18
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lucien2 - I'm doing a search on my old datafile backups... being that there wasn't enough interest to get them made, hence I removed them from my main comp.
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Old 07-09-2002, 04:46 PM   #19
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I would recomend 17 inch wheels with 45 series high-performance tires. This made a big improvement over the stock 16s. My sedan drives very flat with the 17s, Whiteline springs and whiteline swaybar. It is an entirely different animal, and handles great on the autocross course.

I routinely beat RSs and WRXs with the same driving experience as myself.

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