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Old 11-22-2010, 02:30 AM   #1
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Well finishing up with my 2002 wrx project.

You can see my wrx and the other stuff I have done over the years at the link below.

http://picasaweb.google.com/35bertram


The WRX story:
I picked up the 02 bug eye with a bent rod from use with low oil.. I pulled the motor and took it apart sold the block and heads. I ordered a new ej25 and heads from the Subaru dealer. I then called Brian Crower at Crower cams back when he worked there to date the project, and bought all he had to sell for the ej25 at the time. I then took apart my new ej25 sold the stock rod's and pistons and brought the rest of the parts to Johen's cages in ft Lauderdale fla, Johen also built my 440 crossram for my dart.. I had the new ej25 parts balanced, the heads were ported and flow mached, the manifold, heads and header were gasket matched, the over sized valves installed, the sti solid cam flowers cut to work with the stage 4 Crower cams on a surface grinder, and the head were built, he also built and blue printed the engine...

This is my build list so far$$$$

Inside the sti EJ25:

Carower stage 4 cams
Crower stainless over sized valves
Crower double valve springs
Crower titanium retainers
Crower H-beam rods
CP pistons
ARP head studs and main bolts
factory Subaru rings and barrings


I also picked up some bolt on parts:

Out side the EJ25:

Turbo-xs fuel rails
Power Enterprise injectors 650cc
Exedy twin disk clutch
cam gears
Greddy front mount inter cooler kit
Greddy timing belt
Greddy catch can
APS turbo sr35
Pirrin cold air intake
HKS custom bell mouth down pipe
HKS headers
HKS cat less muffler system
HKS SSBOV
Unorthodox 3 pulley set
Kart Boy short shifter
Walbro fuel pump
butter fly deleted from intake tumblers
new oil and water pump o2 censors and vw wide band o2 censor, sti solid cam flowers, 2001 2.5 RS ej25 head gaskets thicker the wrx or sti.

Engine Management :


Turbo xs delta
Turbo xs wide band 02
DFI full 7 gauge set


Suspension:

aluminum Subaru control arms
volk wheels


Gearbox:

nothing!!! week link


paint:


just finished the hok paint.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink
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So whats the deal with these after market manifolds?

When I started this project years ago there was some one selling a stainless manifold magnus I think or some thing, now I see there being sold on ebay shipped out of Thailand.


I called the place making the manifold way back when, I think they were in Canada it was 5 years back or more.. I wanted to know how I'd be able to gasket match the manifold to the tumblers, as the factory gasket is smaller then both the factory manifold and tumbler and the tumblers are larger then the factory manifold runners...

in order to gasket match the factor parts I had to cut the factory gasket to the larger port size of the tumbler and then open up the manifold to match the gasket... but there's a lot of meat on the factory manifold casting.

now the tumbler port is bigger then the stainless runner/pipe on the after market stainless in take. so how can it be gasket matched????? its 1/4 stainless no meat to cut..

That Cosworth intake look to be slick.. like to see some photos of the flange and know the intake runners wall thickness...


Has any one use, gasket matched, or put any of the after market manifolds on a flow bench????

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Old 11-22-2010, 12:21 PM   #3
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I have a lot of projects going at once. This wrx got moth balled years ago right after I dropped the new engine in, she sat 4 years or so... I messed with the wrx very little but did prime the engine. Right b4 painting her I tried to start her, but the old fuel had gone bad... Trashed the new after market fuel pump, factory filters all of witch I replaced. Now I'd think I need to replace the fuel pressure sensor & ??? had the injectors tested and are fine but what other sensors may be shot????

I am running a turboxs delta with a base map for brake in. You guys think this will be ok with my build for the first 500mi?

I was also thinking of hauling the car from Miami to turbo-xs in Baltimore for tuning as its ez to find guys who say they can tune down here but non seem to have a subaru in there shop. A lot has changed in 4 years so who knows about that?

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Old 11-24-2010, 08:10 AM   #4
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very nice build my friend, hope you update when it's all tuned and done
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Old 11-25-2010, 01:04 AM   #5
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very nice build my friend, hope you update when it's all tuned and done

I hope to get her finished... I have been working longer on this wrx then any thing I have built in the past, she feels like the never ending project...

I need to make sure all my vacuum lines are run correctly, I may have to crack a book here soon. It's been so long sens I removed the 2.0l engine, I do not recall how the heck all the vac lines were run... She no longer has the factory intercooler or injection system but with a turboxs just piggy backing the ecu most if not all of the vacuum lines, sensors, diaphragms and so on will need to be run as they are factory..

If only there was a subaru on every corner rather then a honda, I'd be able to take a look see and start my car.

she starts and runs 2000rpm's very well b4 she seems to run out of gas?????? fuel pressure sensor? wheres my subaru manual...
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Old 11-25-2010, 01:15 AM   #6
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This is the back and forth with Brian Crower at crower cams in 2005! I am so old
He was grinding me a stage 5 cam kinda nutty, took 4 ever went with shelf stage 4's. every thing seamed to take for ever back then.... a lot is lost with out a transcript of the phone calls between messages...

I got them to take paypal




EMAIL: read from bottom to top



No PayPal notification yet.

> Hi brian
> I sent thro the cash for the cams and valves, I'll give you a call and see
> when the parts will ship.
>
>
> Thanks Larry
>
>> From: Brian Crower <brian@crower.com>
>> To: joe masone <masone8@hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: ej20 cams
>> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:33:37 -0700
>>
>> You want the new cores, which are not available yet.
>>
>>> cams and all?
>>>
>>>> From: Brian Crower <brian@crower.com>
>>>> To: joe masone <masone8@hotmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: ej20 cams
>>>> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:26:59 -0700
>>>>
>>>> It can all ship today.
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Brain
>>>>> When can I expect the pistons, spring and retaners. I need the pistons
>>>> to
>>>>> bild the block I got last week. if you have a tracking # git it to me
>>>>> A.S.A.P
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Larry
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Brian Crower <brian@crower.com>
>>>>>> To: joe masone <masone8@hotmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: ej20 cams
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 08:57:11 -0700
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Give me your address. Right now I'm just sending pistons, correct?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Brian
>>>>>>> Have the pistons shipped yet? When shuld thay arive?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Brian Crower <brian@crower.com>
>>>>>>>> To: joe masone <masone8@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: ej20 cams
>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 11:16:20 -0700
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll get the pistons on order for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What spec was the piston again?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sound good brian
>>>>>>>>> so I need to send you 311.20? do you want a M/O?
>>>>>>>>> I wanted the stage 4 cams. Send the pistons & rings now so I can
>>>> start
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> build my lower end.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Larry
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: Brian Crower <brian@crower.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: joe masone <masone8@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: ej20 cams
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 08:49:16 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just withdrew the funds. Just so you know, the fee was $32.20,
>> so
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> available balance is $1067.80.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let me know what spec(s) you want.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi brian
>>>>>>>>>>> I just transferd you the balance on my paypal account $1100.
>> I'll
>>>>>>>>>> transfer
>>>>>>>>>>> some cash frome my bank account and git you the other $279 by
>>>>>> friday.
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> can send out the parts you have in stock so I can start the
>> engine
>>>>>>>> build
>>>>>>>>>>> that be nice....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Larry
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Brian Crower <brian@crower.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: joe masone <masone8@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: ej20 cams
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:39:38 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> info@crower.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as the Stage 4 cams, they're really big, so not as
>> popular
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stage 2 and 3's where idle is smoother. Perhaps you should
>>>> consider
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stage 3's.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If cryo gives you peace of mind...go for it. We see no
>>>> advantages,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't hurt anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi brian
>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like I need to send you $1379. I'd like to paypal you
>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>> shuld'nt
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be any fees I wont be using a credit card. If there any fees I
>>>>>> dont
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I dont mind paying. just let me know what email address to
>> send
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> cash
>>>>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you tested the stage 4 cams? I am just wondering at what
>>>> lift
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>> idel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> become so rough it has requierd driver manipulation of the gas
>>>>>> pedal
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid stalling?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking of having the rods and pistons cryoed Do you
>>>> think
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> shuld
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have the spring and retners froze?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Larry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Brian Crower <brian@crower.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: joe masone <masone8@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: ej20 cams
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 11:08:04 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking at $577 for the cams, $520 for the shelf CP pistons
>>>>>>>> w/rings,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $282 for the spring/titanium retainer kit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cams will be available by about mid June.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your interest in Crower,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crower Cams & Equipment Co, Inc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6180 Business Center Court
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> San Diego, CA 92154-5604 USA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 619-661-6477
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fax: 619-661-6466
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.crower.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Brian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just talked to you on the phone about the wrx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my biz ID shuld be there auto connection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to order the stage 4 cams and a set of springs and
>>>>>>>> retaners
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ej20 2002 wrx heads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am also going to need to pick up a set of the CP pistons
>> for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sti
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ej25 bottom end.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll drop you a line to work out the detals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry Lowenthal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Brian Crower <brian@crower.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: joe masone <masone8@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: ej20 cams Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:45:54
>> -0700
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See attached pdf.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current cams run $680 for the set/4.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New cores, (end of May) run about $800 set.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your interest in Crower,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crower Cams & Equipment Co, Inc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6180 Business Center Court
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> San Diego, CA 92154-5604 USA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 619-661-6477
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fax: 619-661-6466
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.crower.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi brian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just talked to you about the ej20cams.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> send a spec. sheet an soon as you have a chance on what you can do with what you have in stock, and what you can do with what your giting in.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks Larry

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << !SubaruEJ20.pdf >>

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Old 11-25-2010, 01:37 AM   #7
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I asked the guy selling me the block if there was a gasket in the center of the block.... what a dork... this guy did tell me that the 2.5rs gasket was thicker then the 2.0l or sti gasket lowering you cpr like 8to1 to 7.8to1 good so you can pump a little more boost.. and if your using a set of new crower H beam 2.5rs rods that you got on line cheep and know that they have a little size on the sti rod things like a thicker gasket and deeper piston can get you to where you need to be on your cpr...

EMAIL: read from bottom to top

2183.99
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "joe masone" <masone8@hotmail.com>
To: <customerservice@subaruxtras.com>
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: Question for item #4545046751 - Brand New Subaru STi Short
Block


> hi mike just one more thing befor I paypal. how much can you git new head
> gaskets for, is there a gasket in the center of the sti block or is it hi
> temp rtv. are valve cover gaskets reusible....or are thay paper.
>
> >From: "subaruxtras" <customerservice@subaruxtras.com>
> >To: <masone8@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: Question for item #4545046751 - Brand New Subaru STi Short
> >Block
> >Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 12:16:40 -0600
> >
> >Question for item #4545046751 - Brand New Subaru STi Short BlockYour
total
> >is 2125.99
> >mcfk1999@metrocast.net
> >Mike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: masone8@hotmail.com
> > To: customerservice@subaruxtras.com
> > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:34 PM
> > Subject: Question for item #4545046751 - Brand New Subaru STi Short
> >Block
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear subaruxtrascom,
> >
> > can you take paypal I can paypal you right now. I sell on
> >ebay and have $3000 in my account I dont have a credit card and it will
> >take to long to transfer the cash frome my ebay acount to my bank acount.
I
> >want the engine and did'nt see you dont take paypal. Let my know larry

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Old 11-25-2010, 01:48 AM   #8
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Short of posting my paypal history I think that is about as much proof of what I have done to my car as can be given. well that is till I dyno..
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Old 11-25-2010, 02:19 AM   #9
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I remember
He was grinding me a stage 5 cam kinda nutty,,, we went back and forth on it 4 ever and my cam's showed and they were shelf 4's? wtf!!!!!!!! and to top it off my valves, springs and retainers were not with the cams?? wtf??? so I left daddy crower a message and my parts showed.. after having to call his dad and forward every one covering for him the email message recording my quoted price for the cams. I did not feel right about sending the cams back for a test grind I think he did offered. crower is stand up all around..

I called back when the crank was put out but Brian had left crower

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Old 11-26-2010, 06:47 AM   #10
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how much did everything cost i may have to do the same thing soon what kind of tranny are you gunna use
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how much did everything cost i may have to do the same thing soon what kind of tranny are you gunna use


I try not to think about cost,,, it hurts 16k to 20k who knows with rent 6k more.. You know a crack head can support a 100,000 dollar a year habit,, cars are a little cheeper, I do not have to mug people but do need a couple $1000 all the time...

I called kazz or kzza or what what ever,, told the guy there what i am running and he told me call ppg, I called ppg and they want even more then the cost of the call to AU, and just told me call the US distributer, I hate that.... At the time $9000 but now its like $5500 for a dog gearbox.. and if I do that I will run cusco diffs its like 3 x 1500... so due to cost for now I plan to not pop the clutch, and I have the smallest after market turbo aps makes. My top end will push me in to the 400 to 450hp range not good for a factory 5 speed with a twin disk clutch....

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Old 12-07-2010, 10:24 PM   #12
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messy motor

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look momy no manifold

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first stage of manifold polishing it will look like the inter cooler pipe I polished in the photo... The alt, rad, ac compressor, ps pump and brackets will be finished tomarrow.

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ported butterfly, gasket matched to intake, ported head, over sized valves
btw the blue die used to cut the head for the valves can still be seen its not oil leaking from a valve seats...


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well got all the polished parts back now I just have to build some polished rez tanks and get a samco hose kit in the colors I need 2 months! and I be finished dressing the engine...
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thanks still a long way to go but closer every day...
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What color is your car? Is it multicolored?
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What color is your car? Is it multicolored?
house of kolor kameleon purple to green.... you have to paint the car black then with the kameleon base then clear...
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