College Football v.2

[wolf8314]

Originally Posted by JC

Wow you quit donating just because your dad lost his job? Lotta fair weather fans down at Clemson.

My father and I split the cost of donation and season tickets. He loses his job.... I had to drop down

Originally Posted by cwb124

I've been a Penn State fan going on 20 years. You continue to conveniently forget that no matter how many times I have to remind you so you can puff out your chest and claim some pathetic superiority because you've been a suffering fan of Clemson for however ****ing long that's been going on.

I've watched PSU go from getting hosed on the NC in 1994 to several mediocre and/or losing seasons in a row in the late 90s and early 2000s where people were calling for Paterno's head and resignation/termination. Only to see them come back and do real well the last couple years. So feel free to cut the condescending bull****. But keeping making your calls and crying about your school as if you have any idea how to run a collegiate athletic program or coach a D1 football school.

Its Monday dude, you should have forgotten about your recent loss by 9am Sunday at the latest. Its just a goddamn game.

who said I was upset with the loss on Saturday???? I certainly didnt. my issue is with the direction of the program.

I just have a hard time taking anyone seriously who pledges alliegence to two programs.

Im no expert and certainly not qualified to run a athletic department, but I dont know that a school like Clemson .... it is ridiculous that we havent won a ACC title in 20 years

Originally Posted by -Kevlar-

what are you 25?

A little older. I vividly remember our domination of the ACC, OU, PSU, WVU etc etc in the 80's. I also have never seen Clemson lose to USCjr twice in a row ......

I think the latter may change this year

Originally Posted by Gcbinc

he's also a PSU grad - I think our mountain more than compares to Clemson's.

BTW, PSU has, as far as I can tell, have the least intrusive boosters in CFB - cause JoePa ain't havin it.

Wolfie, when I said significant, I thought that $1,400 would have another zero on it at the least. you get to call old coaches @ $1,400 a year? That's a bargain. I think it costs that much for a plate at a dinner function where JoePa talks.

BTW, when I think booster, I think of dudes that look like Boss Hogg holding formal luncheons for the team (with the kids wearing ill-fitting suits and poorly tied ties, etc) and the boosters handing players envelopes full of cash and carkeys and such.

GeoB

maybe one day ....

which is why I was a little surprised when Bill Dandrea said he would like to speak with me.

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[cwb124]

Originally Posted by wolf8314

I just have a hard time taking anyone seriously who pledges alliegence to two programs.

2 diplomas, 2 teams. We've been over this.

[-Kevlar-]

Originally Posted by cwb124

2 diplomas, 2 teams. We've been over this.

understandable that you pull for two. but who is the team. like if BSU and PSU played. who would it be?

[-Kevlar-]

Originally Posted by cwb124

Its Monday dude, you should have forgotten about your recent loss by 9am Sunday at the latest. Its just a goddamn game.

you know how i know you arent from the south?

[JC]

Originally Posted by Gcbinc

Wolfie, when I said significant, I thought that $1,400 would have another zero on it at the least. you get to call old coaches @ $1,400 a year? That's a bargain. I think it costs that much for a plate at a dinner function where JoePa talks.

BTW, when I think booster, I think of dudes that look like Boss Hogg holding formal luncheons for the team (with the kids wearing ill-fitting suits and poorly tied ties, etc) and the boosters handing players envelopes full of cash and carkeys and such.

GeoB

I'm with you. $1,400, while a good amount of money, seems like a pittance as far as booster donations go. Good for them for still taking your call (seriously).

Originally Posted by cwb124

2 diplomas, 2 teams. We've been over this.

I still get crap about the same thing. That's what we get for having multiple degrees!

[Gcbinc]

Originally Posted by -Kevlar-

understandable that you pull for two. but who is the team. like if BSU and PSU played. who would it be?

If you had two degrees, who would you pull for? The Undergrad, where you cut your teeth on drinking, going to games, and taking meaningless classes @ 8am, or Grad school, where you didn't (probably) have time to go to games, but learned 100x more than you did undergrad and probably got a job due to the grad degree and WHERE you got your grad degree from?

I only have 1 degree, so I don't have to make the choice, but for the Master's guys out there, how do you make the distinction?

My take is this: If you graduated, you get to cheer for them. Period. If you graduated from 2 schools, you get two teams.

If they play each other, well, you can do what Brady Quinn's sister did - Her fiance was a Buckeye, and her brother was an ND QB. when they played each other, well, she did the single worst thing in sports (other than be born with that face):

[JC]

Originally Posted by Gcbinc

If you had two degrees, who would you pull for? The Undergrad, where you cut your teeth on drinking, going to games, and taking meaningless classes @ 8am, or Grad school, where you didn't (probably) have time to go to games, but learned 100x more than you did undergrad and probably got a job due to the grad degree and WHERE you got your grad degree from?

I only have 1 degree, so I don't have to make the choice, but for the Master's guys out there, how do you make the distinction?

My take is this: If you graduated, you get to cheer for them. Period. If you graduated from 2 schools, you get two teams.

My education: (in chronological order)
BSE AeroE - Michigan
MSE AeroE - GA Tech
MBA Finance - USC

My football alliances go Michigan > USC > GA Tech but only because I'm from the west coast and had a soft spot for USC even before I went there. I went to plenty of games at both GA Tech and USC. The academic load at grad school is more but I at least was better motivated and had much better time management skills so I still made time for football. Though I never missed a game at Michigan because I had to study but I did in grad school. On a related note, at this point I only donate to Michigan and if people ask where I went to school I usually just say Michigan.

JC

[Gcbinc]

Originally Posted by JC

My education: (in chronological order)
BSE AeroE - Michigan
MSE AeroE - GA Tech
MBA Finance - USC

My football alliances go Michigan > USC > GA Tech but only because I'm from the west coast and had a soft spot for USC even before I went there. I went to plenty of games at both GA Tech and USC. The academic load at grad school is more but I at least was better motivated and had much better time management skills so I still made time for football. Though I never missed a game at Michigan because I had to study but I did in grad school. On a related note, at this point I only donate to Michigan and if people ask where I went to school I usually just say Michigan.

JC

do you have a 3-team jersey?

Because, without one, I don't believe a word you say. In fact, unless you post a pic of your Wolv-Jacket-Trojan jersey right now, I'll think you went to Ann Arbor Community College.

GeoB

[r35u90]

Originally Posted by GrindingGears

Probably 15000 duck fans at the game tonight. It was intense. Ill take the win. 10-0

The Cal kicker said the crowd noise [Oregons traveling fans] threw off his timing on his missed field goal.

qwak

[fsmwrx]

Originally Posted by r35u90

The Cal kicker said the crowd noise [Oregons traveling fans] threw off his timing on his missed field goal.

qwak

It sounded loud when Cal was on the field, but I had no idea there was that many Duck fans there. I knew this game would be tough and Oregon has always had trouble there, but that was a nailbiter. Could have easily went either way. Happy with the W, hopefully they'll get their ish together for Arizona.

[JC]

Originally Posted by Gcbinc

do you have a 3-team jersey?

Because, without one, I don't believe a word you say. In fact, unless you post a pic of your Wolv-Jacket-Trojan jersey right now, I'll think you went to Ann Arbor Community College.

GeoB

A 3 team jersey? I suppose I could do a Michigan body with a GA Tech sleeve and a USC sleeve. I'll have to go get a sewing degree from a CC and make that my final project.

[poon warrior]

Originally Posted by Full_Clip

There isn't a big enough FFFFFFUUUUU to explain this season.

Seriously, wtf happened in that game? Full_Clip counted literally 4 first downs before South Carolina was on mop up duty. Urban needs to man up with his esophageal spasms and control what he needs to control. Addiazio can go hump his hurry up offense into a shallow grave.

chris619
dr_wheel


Full_Clip needs to throw something right about now.

There are so many issues at Florida right now.

I. Quarterback (you can only choose A or B)
A. Brantley
i. Base the offense around him (yes, that means abandoning the spread option)
ii. We must stretch the field vertically, they will ALWAYS load the box because we never, ever, ever take shots downfield
iii. We must take some risks in the passing game. 4.9 yds/pass against SCar just shows how many screens and hitches we run. We have PLAYMAKERS on our team, not possession receivers, toss the ****ing ball up and let them GO UP AND GET IT (case in point, UF-UGA game, 4th down in the redzone)
iv. Work on our terrible protection
B. Reed
i. Run the spread option as we have been
ii. He's not Maurice Jones-Drew. Do not run him into the damn ground. Use him to run when he's needed, but don't kill the damn kid.
iii. Use his arm to open the running game, again, he can throw the ball, SO LET HIM THROW.


Annnnd you get the point.

[02BluWRX]

Originally Posted by Gcbinc

you don't get the power of Boosters, not just down South, but everywhere in CFB - look at the banner all Mich players run under - "GO BLUE M Club Supports You" - that's the Boosters.

Ask Coach Bowden who really forced him out of FSU, and if he's candid, he will tell you the boosters. I've talked to FSU boosters, and they have a significant hand in the hiring of personnel and the direction of the team.
If you pay significant money to a booster org, you expect to have a voice. I am guessing Wolf falls into this category.

GeoB

Back from the Dominican Republic as I was there for five days visiting my future wife I gave my FSU/Clemson ticket to my buddy so he could take his oldest son and I'm glad he got to see a win even though from what I hear they played like crap

Yes Geo and the Boosters are the ones that paid Jeff Bowdens $800,000 buyout when he was forced to leave. They also orchestrated keeping Fisher from going to WVU when it looked like he was going to take the job. I give $600 a year and the next levels are $1200 , $3000, $6000 ,$12000 or the Whopping Double Golden Chief @ $25,000 Boosters are a very integral part of the Athletic program and FSU is currently raising money for an indoor practice facility. They have 8 Million and need 16 to build what they want.

On to the Hell hole that is Maryland this weekend as Wolf will explain more if he wants as I willl never go to another game there. Hopefully NC State will lose to North Carolina

[02BluWRX]

Originally Posted by poon warrior

There are so many issues at Florida right now.

I. Quarterback (you can only choose A or B)
A. Brantley
i. Base the offense around him (yes, that means abandoning the spread option)
ii. We must stretch the field vertically, they will ALWAYS load the box because we never, ever, ever take shots downfield
iii. We must take some risks in the passing game. 4.9 yds/pass against SCar just shows how many screens and hitches we run. We have PLAYMAKERS on our team, not possession receivers, toss the ****ing ball up and let them GO UP AND GET IT (case in point, UF-UGA game, 4th down in the redzone)
iv. Work on our terrible protection
B. Reed
i. Run the spread option as we have been
ii. He's not Maurice Jones-Drew. Do not run him into the damn ground. Use him to run when he's needed, but don't kill the damn kid.
iii. Use his arm to open the running game, again, he can throw the ball, SO LET HIM THROW.


Annnnd you get the point.

lets hope they can keep it up so the 6 year streak will end I do see them going to the Gator Bowl though even if they lose to FSU as they would be 7-5 and face a Big Ten team now with the new contract

[cwb124]

Originally Posted by -Kevlar-

understandable that you pull for two. but who is the team. like if BSU and PSU played. who would it be?

I don't know the answer to that, honestly. I think it would have to happen for me to make that call. But given the geography of the teams and their conferences, it would take a fluke year for them to face one another in a BCS bowl.

Originally Posted by -Kevlar-

you know how i know you arent from the south?

I don't sound like a redneck?

[TGC]

Rumors have it that the FBI investigation that started with tax evasion, money laundering, bribery and eventually pull Cam Newton and his family into the mix is about to pop.

Again, rumor has it, that an Auburn booster and casino owner was funneling chips to the Newton family. This has been captured on wire taps which is why the FBI has gotten in on the whole Cam Newton NCAA deal. Fears within Auburn are that he'll be suspended before the Iron Bowl.

http://www.thetuskegeenews.com/artic...5796017322.txt

Here's an Op ed. that outlines some of the FBI related issues pre-Newton.

[-Kevlar-]

Originally Posted by TGC

Rumors have it that the FBI investigation that started with tax evasion, money laundering, bribery and eventually pull Cam Newton and his family into the mix is about to pop.

Again, rumor has it, that an Auburn booster and casino owner was funneling chips to the Newton family. This has been captured on wire taps which is why the FBI has gotten in on the whole Cam Newton NCAA deal. Fears within Auburn are that he'll be suspended before the Iron Bowl.

http://www.thetuskegeenews.com/artic...5796017322.txt

Here's an Op ed. that outlines some of the FBI related issues pre-Newton.

should i go ahead and place my bets on USC in the SECCG? I really wanted us to face him again.

[wolf8314]

Originally Posted by JC

I'm with you. $1,400, while a good amount of money, seems like a pittance as far as booster donations go. Good for them for still taking your call (seriously).



I still get crap about the same thing. That's what we get for having multiple degrees!

I was surprised as well, but my initial letter didnt bitch about losses or even a single game. It didnt complain about coaches nor players it more centered around the direction of the University and the direction of the athletic program. It was a rational well written email (thanks to my wife who was a english major and now is a lawyer), and at the end I wished him a great holiday season.

His response was thankful, and said I brought up some good points and would like to speak with me.

If I had flown after the handle bitching about about and wins blah blah blah blah ....I wouldnt have gotten a email response back let alone a call.


Look, I dont expect Clemson to be a Oklahoma, Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas otherwise a elite of the elite .... Im not that irrational. Clemson is in a small state with a small population. South Carolina's talent pool is small to begin with and we have to share that talent with USCjr. Also Clemson's alumni base is very small, and their arent many big time donors like you have at other schools because we dont have a medical or law school (Clemson is a agricultural and engineering school).

what I do expect is for us to be in contention for ACC titles every year and maybe win one every 5 or so years. I dont believe this is a ridiculous expectation considering the facilities, tradition, and fans we have in place.

....... unfortunately we will have to adopt the age ole USCjr mantra ...."Wait Till Next Year"

Originally Posted by -Kevlar-

should i go ahead and place my bets on USC in the SECCG? I really wanted us to face him again.

.....It is next year..... I have to say with our without Cam, I believe USCjr wins this game.

Im not a betting man, but if I were ... Id take Auburn .... that way if USCjr wins....W00t!!!! Youre happy.......if USCjr loses??? Awwww so sad but ...W00T!!! I Haz money!!!!

[wolf8314]

Originally Posted by -Kevlar-

you know how i know you arent from the south?

This is one thing you and I agree on completely. Of course since the thread started in 2003, I dont let losses get to me as much as they once did. I used to be all until at least Wednesday following a loss, but now .....Im upset for 15 minutes or so, and move on about my day or evening.

Is that maturity? ..... naw....more like the purest definition of apathy that I can think of. I just don't get that riled anymore.

As far as those individuals with multiple degrees.... congratulations on your academic achievement!!! Seriously, thats awesome, but sorry .... in terms of "fandom" you have one program and just one. To determine who you really are a fan of....(we will use CWB as an example).... Who do you pull for? BSU or PSU if they played?

a dollar to a doughnut says he will come back with so limp response such as "I would hope for a good game"

[cwb124]

Originally Posted by wolf8314

This is one thing you and I agree on completely. Of course since the thread started in 2003, I dont let losses get to me as much as they once did. I used to be all until at least Wednesday following a loss, but now .....Im upset for 15 minutes or so, and move on about my day or evening.

Is that maturity? ..... naw....more like the purest definition of apathy that I can think of. I just don't get that riled anymore.

As far as those individuals with multiple degrees.... congratulations on your academic achievement!!! Seriously, thats awesome, but sorry .... in terms of "fandom" you have one program and just one. To determine who you really are a fan of....(we will use CWB as an example).... Who do you pull for? BSU or PSU if they played?

a dollar to a doughnut says he will come back with so limp response such as "I would hope for a good game"

First of all, who are you to make the rules on who people can be fans of? Second, rooting for two teams that you attended school at is far better than some of the ridiculous excuses people come up for rooting for their teams *cough* 90% of Notre Dame fans *cough*. Don't even get me started on those jackholes. "Oh my dad took me to a game once" or "Oh I'm catholic so those guys are my team" My dad took me to an Army Duke football game somewhere around 1983 in the freezing cold. I am not a fan of either team.

As far as who I would root for, I already answered that question. I honestly wouldn't know until game time. I might not even know until after the game started. I have no idea who I'd root for.

[lark6]

Originally Posted by wolf8314

Is that maturity? ..... naw....more like the purest definition of apathy that I can think of. I just don't get that riled anymore.

As far as those individuals with multiple degrees.... congratulations on your academic achievement!!! Seriously, thats awesome, but sorry .... in terms of "fandom" you have one program and just one. To determine who you really are a fan of....(we will use CWB as an example).... Who do you pull for? BSU or PSU if they played?

a dollar to a doughnut says he will come back with so limp response such as "I would hope for a good game"

For me it's easy as I've already explained. Please don't hate on the multiple degrees; for some of us it was our way out of the tobacco fields or textile mills.

I'm with you on the apathy, and it's kind of sad but not really. I have a little boy and it's more important for me to be involved in his life on a Saturday than to waste 3-4 hours in front of a TV getting upset by a Georgia football game.

Originally Posted by cwb124

First of all, who are you to make the rules on who people can be fans of? Second, rooting for two teams that you attended school at is far better than some of the ridiculous excuses people come up for rooting for their teams *cough* 90% of Notre Dame fans *cough*. Don't even get me started on those jackholes. "Oh my dad took me to a game once" or "Oh I'm catholic so those guys are my team" My dad took me to an Army Duke football game somewhere around 1983 in the freezing cold. I am not a fan of either team.

I don't always agree with what you have to say in this thread but I do here. I really don't like the assumption that if someone is Roman Catholic they should be a ND fan. Must they also be a Villanova, St. Joe's or Georgetown fan? How about Baptists - do they have to root for Baylor or Wake Forest? SMU, Wofford or Emory for Methodists? I can't really comment on BYU, that might be a different story altogether.

In general I've found that most people pull for their undergraduate school before their graduate or professional one. Lots more emotionally vested there, more like growing up educationally and socially and less like a job.

[The Tree]

Originally Posted by lark6

In general I've found that most people pull for their undergraduate school before their graduate or professional one. Lots more emotionally vested there, more like growing up educationally and socially and less like a job.

Here is the problem with this.
How many fans of the university of nebraska never atteneded school there? literally hundreds of thousands in the state alone. what about University fo florida? what about USC? how about texas?

the only thing I stand by for being a fan is this:
Declare your team, stick with your team, and don't switch.
I don't care if you live in Washington state, never visited florida or attended college or even graduated high school. but if you love you some gators, then they are you team, thick AND thin. and that is all that matter.

don't come here and say "I always loved rutgers" when they had their run, then the next few years declare your love for uconn. I can't back that ****. and you only have ONE team. if you two favorite played in any sport who do you root for?

I am a fan of the university of notre dame
I have season tickets to nebraska football and creighton basketball, baseball and soccer, as well as UNO hockey. if they irish play any of those teams...EVER. I root for the Irish.

[cwb124]

Originally Posted by The Tree

Here is the problem with this.
How many fans of the university of nebraska never atteneded school there? literally hundreds of thousands in the state alone. what about University fo florida? what about USC? how about texas?

I have a hard time accepting people that have no ties to those schools being big fans of them, unless they live or lived in the area. Why would someone from Wyoming be a Florida fan? Ever? Why aren't they a Delaware fan? Or a LA tech fan? Maybe because they jumped on the Florida bandwagon when they were good and FL makes the best looking flatbill for them? Bull****. Plus you're only saying that to justify your love of ND.

Originally Posted by The Tree

and you only have ONE team. if you two favorite played in any sport who do you root for?

I still don't know, but yes you can have two teams. Its not like I'm an Ohio State and Michigan fan or something. BSU and Penn State might as well be playing on different planets because they will never run across one another and rarely, if ever even share opponents.

Originally Posted by The Tree

I am a fan of the university of notre dame
I have season tickets to nebraska football and creighton basketball, baseball and soccer, as well as UNO hockey. if they irish play any of those teams...EVER. I root for the Irish.

Because your dad was a fan? Dude you're like 13 hours minimum from South Bend. Your baseless allegiance to ND is worse than my being a fan of two schools that I have diplomas from.

[02BluWRX]

See I disagree and it's my OPINION about the multiple degree fandom as my Bachelors degree is from Florida State and had I gone to UF or Miami for Law School. I would still be a Die Hard Seminole unless maybe I went out of state away from Florida. If so I might root for the other school but always my Seminoles before anyone else


Miami had many fans that jumped on the bandwagon when they were so good and half of the fans outside of Miami or Florida have no clue where the School is ! I personally have only met two actual Graduates of Miami as it is a very expensive private school @ about 35-40K UM is in Coral Gables BTW

The Notre Dame thing I agree as well as I know many Catholics who pledge allegence to them which is mystifying to me

[The Tree]

Originally Posted by aubsxc

So, suggesting that we wait for the evidence to be in before convicting an athlete and a school of serious wrongdoing is not "manly" in your opinion.

somebody hasn't posted since this post, and seems oddly quiet after the page and a half arguing before this post.....just saying...