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Old 07-02-2002, 06:16 PM   #1
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I'm looking for a used car for my daughter, and happened to see a Legacy SUS 4 dr sedan on the lot. Nobody at the SUBARU dealership could tell me anything about it, what SUS stood for, or anything.

Can anybody help me with an information on it? Thanks, Ron
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Old 07-02-2002, 06:35 PM   #2
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Sport Utility Sedan

Legacy sedan with Outback trim.
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Old 07-02-2002, 06:39 PM   #3
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Default SUS = Sport Utility Sedan

As the Outback is to the Legacy Wagon...
...so the SUS is to the Legacy Sedan

Kinda like a Legacy GT on 'roids.

They had a 1999 MY SUS in the old BD body style, but it was only available in the autobox here in Canada.

I've since seen a 2002 or 2003 MY in the newer BE body style. I must say it looks much sharper than the original.

Try the Subaru of America website for more on the latest version, but I expect the used SUS you're looking at has Outback running gear, a 2.5 litre SOHC Phase II motor, autobox, plus a/c, etc, etc (outfitted like most other Outback wagons).

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Old 07-02-2002, 07:08 PM   #4
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You know what would kick ass? A VDC SUS H6. If it was going to happen I would save for it right now.

Actually it would be even cooler if it was a Legacy GT H6 VDC wow!
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Old 07-02-2002, 07:59 PM   #5
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I test drove a 2002 H6 SUS, only I don't think they call it an SUS anymore it's an Outback Sedan. Not sure if it was avaliable in a VDC but it was very nice. The only drawback was it was an auto. If only they would put a stick w/ the H6.

Oops I checked their site and it can be had w/ VDC

Outback VDC Sedan H6
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Old 07-02-2002, 08:07 PM   #6
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w00t! hey, the SUS is cool !
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Old 07-02-2002, 08:16 PM   #7
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Wow, now if it was only just not an outback based suspension.

Still with the correct mods Id bet this would whoop all over most wrx.
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Old 07-02-2002, 10:38 PM   #8
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The BD SUS is a nice daily driver. But I must say it isn't very suitable for performance mods due to the OB suspension "disability".

It isn't quite as utilitarian as the wagon. So if cargo carrying capacity is important, get the wagon instead. There are even more wagons available on the used market.

On the plus side, they're pretty darn durable for sedan. I drove over a parking lot island to get to a space at the movie theater the other day.

If you aren't worried about performance for your daughter and there's a nice price, go for it. The SUS traits make it an interesting and unique vehicle. It definitely stands out if anything.

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Old 07-03-2002, 02:50 PM   #9
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The SUS was first introduced in New England as a Legacy sedan with the outback cladding, leather, auto. and different wheels. I believe someone at Subaru of New England came up with the idea? I believe it was in 97 or 98. Then when SOA saw how well it was selling they introduced to the rest of the country, I think in 99. It is now called the Outback sedan.
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Old 07-03-2002, 03:06 PM   #10
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Originally posted by ESPO99RS
The SUS was first introduced in New England as a Legacy sedan with the outback cladding, leather, auto. and different wheels. I believe someone at Subaru of New England came up with the idea? I believe it was in 97 or 98. Then when SOA saw how well it was selling they introduced to the rest of the country, I think in 99. It is now called the Outback sedan.
I thought the 97/98s that I've been seeing used seemed a little odd. I don't remember the SUS from any year other than 99. And now I know why.

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Old 07-06-2002, 05:05 PM   #11
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Well I bought it today. There isn't any leather, but it is a unique cloth interior with heated seats. It also has heated mirrors and heated wipers, like on my MY00 Legacy Outback LTD.

The wheels are 5 spoke silver.

There's no Outback badging at all, on the designation SUS on the right corner of the trunk lid, and 30th Anniversary badges toward the rear of each of the front fenders.

It does have a rear spoiler, but no moon roof. The suspension seems to be a bit stiffer than my Outback wagon, and it is definitely quicker, with what sounds like a more open muffler.

It's got 205/70 R15 tires on 15 X 6 inch wheels. I'm probably going to go to 215/55 Dunlop SP5000's as soon as I can.

I'm hoping to get a table of technical spec's from Subaru soon, that'll give me an idea of what kind of running gear I've got.

I'm pretty sure it's got the 2.5 L 165 HP enging, but I'm not certain. It sure does run like it though.
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http://www.toad.net/~rrubel/outbackfaq.html

Look around there for some tid bits
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Old 07-06-2002, 05:19 PM   #13
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Here is the link I was searching for good info here on all Scoobies

http://www.cars101.com/
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Old 07-06-2002, 05:51 PM   #14
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Peaty, thanks a bunch. That info helps a lot.

Hopefully I'll get some more info from SOA, and I'll have a pretty good idea of what I've got under the skin.

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Old 07-06-2002, 11:50 PM   #15
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the engine is the 2.5L phase 1
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Old 07-07-2002, 12:54 AM   #16
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Thanks.

There's usually a 2 or 3 letter body designator, like GC8 or GF8, or BA or BD.

Does anyone know what the designator is for this car?

Pictures tomorrow.

Thanks, Ron
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Old 07-07-2002, 01:48 AM   #17
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The SUS is the bastard of the line-up, expessially mine a 99 30th Anv. Legacy Outback Sport Utility Sedan Limited, it really plays tricks on the parts guys because they cant figure out what it is, cause mine has all three badges, a legacy badge, an SUS badge where most of your 2.5Gt badges are, and a small "outback" decal under that, the SUS's came with a slate lower paint while the wagon OBs came with a more gold tone, and i believe that mine has phase 1.5 engine in it, going by the production date, but i didnt know about the engine casting marks till the car left for the body shop.


And what is all this stuff about the Outback Suspension being a disability and non upgradable, the most basic suspension mods people make are struts, springs, wheels, and tires and if you change those, the sus is the same as anyother legacy the lift is in the strut, the spring seat actully, and the huge tires.
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Old 07-07-2002, 08:04 AM   #18
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What size are your stock tires? Mine are (were) 205/70 15's. I'm going to get either a 205 or (hopefully) a 215, by either 55 or 50. I'll probably get an all weather/all year, as the car is for my daughter, and we usually get some snow in our area. So I'll probably go with the 215/55, which should drop the car about an inch and a half.

I don't have any Outback or Limited badging that I'm aware of, but I do have the Legacy, SUS, 30th Anniversary,.

Just got it yesterday, my daughter took it for the day, I don't even know the VIN yet. Soon as I get that I can get more specific info.

Can you send a pic of yours? I looked through most of this web site yesterday and didn't see ONE pic of an SUS.

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Old 07-07-2002, 08:59 AM   #19
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Here's a pic of one!
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Old 07-07-2002, 01:18 PM   #20
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I just noticed that my car has the 30th Anniversary badge on the driver's side ONLY. There is NO badging of any sort on the passenger's side.

Is that normal, or rather USUAL. SOA doesn't seem to do much that is normal.
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Yep, the 30th Anv. Badge is only on the Drivers side.
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Old 07-07-2002, 04:07 PM   #22
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Typical Subaru Marketing brand management :

Either you want a "performance" car (Legacy GT), or you don't care about performance, and prefere a nice soft cushy ride, and an automatic transmission.

I personally think there is a real market for a performance "SUS"/Outback sedan available with a firmer suspension, and a manual transmission.

Yes I understand and accept that having a higher centre of gravity does hinder good handling, and does to some extent increase the risk of roll-over. Those of us who want a "snowmobile" shouldn't be reminded of it every time we hit the twisties.
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Old 07-07-2002, 06:12 PM   #23
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Johathan, I absolutely agree about the market potential for this kind of car.

After just toodlin around for the day, it would seem to me that a serious set of wheels and tires, probably a 17 or 18 inch set with about a 35 to 45 profile, with a nice fat 225 through 255 footprint would be a good start, (if they'll fit). All I'm going to do for now is put on a set of 205/55 15inch Dunlop SP5000's on the stock wheels.)

Then a set of decent sway bars with possibly a front tower strut brace would be another big help. I don't know enough about what suspension is there yet to make any other judgements, but a stronger set of springs with adjustable struts seems to be in order. But this should be a good start toward dropping the profile and making it turn quicker. It's not that bad now on the flat, but some off camber turns could be a bit tricky, especially if the speed comes up a bit. I don't plan to get a thicker bar right now, it's okay for what we'll be doing with it.

This engine, for a stocker, does provide a decent amount of forward motion. With the right amount of tuning, the possibility of a turbo, the right chip, etc., this could ALSO be dramatically improved. I happen to like automatics, so I'm not going to complain about the tranny.

All in all, I think if someone just spent a decent amount of time researching and discovering all the options, they could get a helluva setup with this car. I'm not going to do that, because this is my 20 year old daughter's daily driver, and I promised I wouldn't play with it (YET).

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Old 07-07-2002, 08:18 PM   #24
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There ya go judge!

Plus we have the sweet big foglights! (and the 2.5, a hood scoop and a spoiler), so i consider the SUS a better starting point than the L, for performance, expessially if you are getting once second hand like you and I both did. even though the price difference comes in somwhere...

Another good thing is, just as you pointed out, there are few of these cars around (the dealer couldn't even tell you about it) I see Impreza 2.5 RSs all the time, and they are "limited production" but i have seen a total of 3 SUSs ever. thats pretty neat, it reminds me of a time before the WRX in america, when knowing that Subaru was "cool" was almost like a secret.

That is a nice car! What kind is it?
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Old 07-08-2002, 01:20 PM   #25
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I envy your daughter!! Is this her first ride??? I would have been so stoked to have a 99 SUS as my first car when in school!
None the less, I have the exact same car as pictured above with some mods done to it. 18" rims do fit with 48mm offset. No rubbing at all....looks great IMHO. I also wanted to add just a little better handling and of course looks and definately got that by adding the 18"s.
Heated cloth seats are also very nice!
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