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Old 11-29-2010, 01:18 PM   #1
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I would like to have a M12x1.25 die but they seem very uncommon. My wife found me a M12x1.25 tap at a yard sale (she happen to call me and they had one). Anyway, the only place I have found one is McMaster at they want $50 for 1 die! And most tap/die sets only have x1.5 and x1.75 for 12mm threads.
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Old 11-29-2010, 01:21 PM   #2
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I find the 12x1.25 to be the easiest to find locally. hmm.
If you need one, I'd be glad to hook you up. I find it odd that you can't find any!

I buy mine through Sears, and occasionally Oriely. They carry Vermont tooling in my neck of the woods
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Old 11-29-2010, 03:44 PM   #3
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MSC sells them online, check out their site, they should have them in stock.
http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/GSDRVS...00000163677194
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Old 11-29-2010, 04:15 PM   #4
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Thanks guys. I found a few place online for a lot cheaper and found there is a Fastenal location right near where I work, but they don't carry m12x1.25 in stock so I'd have to order it.

In my searching, it seems to be a regional thing. I guess in the South, no one wants to believe that metric threads are becoming the new way on cars .

EDIT: Wow, there are 2 fastenal's near me and the other one does have some!

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Old 11-29-2010, 10:08 PM   #5
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Our crack dealer/matco tool man stops by every wed. afternoon. If Tony goes into the truck I follow him with the check book because I know I'm going to have to pay him for something.

He's been able to get us all sorts of odd taps and dies.
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Old 11-29-2010, 10:20 PM   #6
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Thanks guys. I found a few place online for a lot cheaper and found there is a Fastenal location right near where I work, but they don't carry m12x1.25 in stock so I'd have to order it.

In my searching, it seems to be a regional thing. I guess in the South, no one wants to believe that metric threads are becoming the new way on cars .

EDIT: Wow, there are 2 fastenal's near me and the other one does have some!
fastenal not having something in stock? :shocked:
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Old 11-29-2010, 11:08 PM   #7
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I found that M12x1.25 tap and die in ACE hardware and in Sears
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Old 11-30-2010, 09:17 AM   #8
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I found that M12x1.25 tap and die in ACE hardware and in Sears
My Sears only has M6 and M8....WTF?

The true value that I get my propane from has NO metric taps. So weird.

I don't know of any ACE around here.

Anyway, I picked it up at fastenal yesterday.
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Old 11-30-2010, 09:33 AM   #9
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MSC sells them online, check out their site, they should have them in stock.
http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/GSDRVS...00000163677194
MSC only stocks that die as a carbon steel chasing die, which is basically worthless.

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I found that M12x1.25 tap and die in ACE hardware and in Sears
Sears, and to some extent ACE, have been producing crappier and crappier threading tools (and tools in general) as time goes on. I wouldn't buy a tap from sears anymore, even for a single use.





OP, what material is the one you bought made from?
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Old 11-30-2010, 09:39 AM   #10
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MSC only stocks that die as a carbon steel chasing die, which is basically worthless.



Sears, and to some extent ACE, have been producing crappier and crappier threading tools (and tools in general) as time goes on. I wouldn't buy a tap from sears anymore, even for a single use.





OP, what material is the one you bought made from?
http://www.fastenal.com/web/products...0323408&ucst=t

It's high carbon steel. I only use it for chasing/cleaning threads anyway (can't remember the last time I used a die to cut new threads ). I use my HSS tap to cut new female threads in shift knobs quite frequently though.
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Old 11-30-2010, 09:52 AM   #11
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We use taps everyday and get many of them at MSC. I am not sure what dies they sell but they have the M12x1.25 in cobalt and TiN and various other materials at MSC. Searching their site I found well over 100 different variations of that tap.
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Old 11-30-2010, 10:39 AM   #12
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http://www.fastenal.com/web/products...0323408&ucst=t

It's high carbon steel. I only use it for chasing/cleaning threads anyway (can't remember the last time I used a die to cut new threads ). I use my HSS tap to cut new female threads in shift knobs quite frequently though.
I would try to use a very small diamond file and a very hard pick to clear out any burrs from that before using it. Even the photo on the site shows a very large burr; backside of the top cutter, approximately the 5th thread in. The thread form looks good for a $14 chasing die, though, which is good. A lot of times you'll see truncated or imperfect threads on a die that cheap.


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We use taps everyday and get many of them at MSC. I am not sure what dies they sell but they have the M12x1.25 in cobalt and TiN and various other materials at MSC. Searching their site I found well over 100 different variations of that tap.
100 variations of the tap and a single die. The die is a carbon steel chasing die which is probably of similar quality to the one 09rexwagon got from fastenal. MSC sells plenty of good tooling, but in this particular case they don't.

Also, FWIW TiN is a coating, not a base material. You can get a useless tap with a TiN coating.
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I only use it for chasing/cleaning threads anyway...
For that sort of thing I have one of these kits. I can't tell you how many times it has saved me and/or others I've been working with. I use the 12mm-1.25 periodically to keep my lugnuts and studs cleaned up. I bring it with me to track events - saved a guy's weekend by fixing damaged threads on a wheel stud.
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Old 12-01-2010, 06:32 PM   #14
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that size came in my $10 harbor freight kit LOL
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Old 12-01-2010, 06:36 PM   #15
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that size came in my $10 harbor freight kit LOL
My $14 set from HF only has 12x1.5 and 12x1.75 .
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Old 12-02-2010, 07:52 AM   #16
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I've tempted to buy an expensive spiral flute M12x1.25 tap....but then I don't want to spent that much money on a tool I'll likely use only once.
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Old 12-02-2010, 04:57 PM   #17
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Don't buy a spiral flute tap for hand use. Spiral flutes ("NC" taps) are meant to be used in a CNC machine. They're more delicate, so they count on the rigidity of the machine to keep them from breaking.

Bright HSS with straight flutes are the best general use taps, with an angled cutting surface if the tap will be used only for through holes.
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Thank you sir.
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For that sort of thing I have one of these kits. I can't tell you how many times it has saved me and/or others I've been working with. I use the 12mm-1.25 periodically to keep my lugnuts and studs cleaned up. I bring it with me to track events - saved a guy's weekend by fixing damaged threads on a wheel stud.
We have the same Kit... worth it's weight in gold.
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Old 12-06-2010, 03:15 PM   #20
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For that sort of thing I have one of these kits. I can't tell you how many times it has saved me and/or others I've been working with. I use the 12mm-1.25 periodically to keep my lugnuts and studs cleaned up. I bring it with me to track events - saved a guy's weekend by fixing damaged threads on a wheel stud.
I want them to sell me half that kit, just the metric stuff. I don't own a single vehicle or item that uses SAE hardware, apart from some random ikea furniture and such.

I bought a good set of craftsman taps and dies for thread chasing on my motorcycle, only to find out that the tolerances are such that I was cutting new threads and the fasteners fit sloppily. Maybe the kit above is better, but I often found up to .15mm of diametric difference between the correct tap/die and the actual hole/fastener. I guess honda was rolling their threads and tapping holes for a tighter tolerance than what is "standard".
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