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Old 12-20-2010, 02:13 AM   #1
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Hey everyone,

I'm selling my Cayman S in the next week and am considering moving to something a little cheaper and more practical (yet still fun to drive). The 08+ STi has caught my eye because the combination of rear seats, AWD, and the hatchback would make it much more useful for hauling people, running errands, etc.

I have yet to test drive one, but was wondering if anyone else has made a similar switch? If so, how has life been with the STi? Any regrets?
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Old 12-20-2010, 02:24 AM   #2
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There probably aren't many people here who would be able to provide a comparison. I'd say it would come down to how well it suits your life.

I live in Alaska, therefore, owning a Porsche is not the most practical idea. If I lived in Florida, I'd want to own a Porsche.
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Old 12-20-2010, 02:24 AM   #3
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not really comparable to any switch I've made (I went from a Mustang GT to my 2008 STI) but with the exception of HID's, auto climate control and optional navigation you can kiss all of your luxury features goodbye. no leather, no heated seats, no moonroof (unless you get the Limited which is only available as a sedan), a pretty sub-par stereo and no power seats. however it's a sporty, fun (yet practical) car that's a blast to drive and feels very nimble, light on its toes and responsive in just about any condition. I don't know much about the Cayman but the adjustability of the center differential as well as the ECU on the fly in the Subaru is great for anyone that likes to put your foot down every now and then but doesn't need high boost at all times. if you plan on doing any mods, the aftermarket support is definitely there for the Subaru and will most certainly be exponentially cheaper than anything for your Porsche. same can be said for maintenance. fuel economy isn't great but.. well you drive a Cayman, I can't imagine you care much. if I didn't make any sense whatsoever, I'm sorry. I'm very sleep deprived and should probably go to bed now. but good luck with your potential purchase. I'm sure any questions you have can be answered on here.
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:28 AM   #4
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Recommend driving it instead of asking people here for opinions. I would say that they drive nothing alike and like the poster above said, very few people here will be able to detail the comparison.

Drive that Cayman S up to the local Subie dealership and ask about the STI - they should have no problem giving you a test drive.
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Old 12-20-2010, 01:14 PM   #5
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Funny you are doing this now as I just sold my Subbie and am looking at an 08 cayman s
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Old 12-20-2010, 01:57 PM   #6
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Funny I came so close to buying a cayman s rather than my sti this psdt time around......
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Old 12-20-2010, 02:34 PM   #7
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Thanks for the feedback. I don't really care too much about the fact that the STi doesn't have leather, heated seats, or any other luxury items. I was more curious to know if the car is still fun to drive compared to a Cayman (or other sporty 2-seater).

It sounds like a couple of you are moving from an STi to a Cayman. Any reasons in particular? Is there something you don't like about the STi?
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Old 12-20-2010, 02:37 PM   #8
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^^Not at all, I loved my Subaru experience, Im just ready for something classy haha
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Old 12-20-2010, 02:44 PM   #9
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I thought about used Caymans instead of a new WRX but I decided a Porsche would be a lot more expensive to maintain, two seats was impractical and I had horrible winters to deal with.

The WRX was more than enough for me. You should take a look at the premium and limited WRX's instead of the Sti if you're looking to save money. It wouldn't be too much slower than a Cayman S and would probably be more comfortable. The major difference being you would hae the 5 speed instead of the adjustable diff and 6 speed. Worth checking out though.
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Old 12-20-2010, 03:29 PM   #10
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I thought about used Caymans instead of a new WRX but I decided a Porsche would be a lot more expensive to maintain, two seats was impractical and I had horrible winters to deal with.

The WRX was more than enough for me. You should take a look at the premium and limited WRX's instead of the Sti if you're looking to save money. It wouldn't be too much slower than a Cayman S and would probably be more comfortable. The major difference being you would hae the 5 speed instead of the adjustable diff and 6 speed. Worth checking out though.
I've thought about the WRX, but the consensus around here seems to be:

1) If you want to mod the car, the STi is the better platform (better tranny, engine, and brakes).
2) You'll regret not getting the STi.

I should have specified that I'd be looking for a used 08-09 STi, which costs about the same as a brand new '11 WRX. The car would be used for daily driving and also the occasional weekend canyon run. I'm afraid that if I bought the WRX, I'd end up spending a bunch of money on mods when I could have just bought the STi instead.
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Old 12-20-2010, 03:55 PM   #11
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I just bought an '11 STI this weekend. The STI has heated seats and mirrors, Leather/suede seats, bluetooth audio, etc. It has plenty of luxuries for me, but I'm used to Subarus. If I'm not mistaken, the STI is just as fast as the Cayman S, maybe not the Cayman R. I considered the Cayman, but I could have almost bought another WRX for the price difference between the two.
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Old 12-20-2010, 04:45 PM   #12
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I thought 08 was a terrible year for Stis/WRX's?

Whether a WRX or Sti is better for modding I suppose depends on what you plan to mod. If you plan on getting a built transmission, better brakes, new suspension then I guess you might as well just buy a WRX and use the money you saed to replace the parts. If you plan on just doing power mods then I guess an Sti would be better.

I think if I took the 10k extra I'd need to buy an Sti and put that into mods for a WRX I'd have a WRX that surpassed a stock Sti. The WRX is already faster to 60 by a little bit, so suspension mods and maybe a few engine mods + tune would definitely push it over Sti level.

I'm really just making assumptions though, I haven't modded anything nor do I plan to and I don't have any experience with it.

If money is no issue than screw it get an Sti. Money was an issue for me and I'm more than happy with a WRX.
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Old 12-20-2010, 06:13 PM   #13
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I know that the '08s had a crappy tune from the factory, but it seems like that's been addressed by SOA. It sounds like anyone who had a problem with the tune has had their car re-flashed or has had their engine replaced (if it blew).

I probably won't go any further than stage 2 in either car anyways, since this will be a daily driver and I don't want to deal with potential reliability issues stemming from an upgraded turbo, etc.. Again, the price difference isn't that much of an issue since I'm comparing '08-'09 STi's to brand new '11 WRX's. I'd rather have the beefed up tranny, engine internals, and bigger brakes to start with if possible.
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:51 PM   #14
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I previously owned an STI and also drove a Cayman S extensively before deciding on an e92 M3 instead. I will say that right out of the box the STI will feel faster when you're putting around town. With a turboback exhaust and a tune it will feel A LOT faster. As a comparison, my M3 felt slow off the line after being used to my old STI (the awd helps of course), and I felt that the M3 blew the Cayman S away when it came to speed and acceleration. Driving enjoyment is subjective, especially coming from a rwd sports car, but I always enjoyed driving the STI. The awd is forgiving and fun in all weather.
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:57 PM   #15
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If I was in your situation I'd rather shoot myself in the foot than give up a Cayman for an STI. They are both fast, but IMO the Cayman is so much more fun to drive (except in snow, then the STI beats everything).
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Old 12-21-2010, 12:07 AM   #16
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STI... rwd is fun, but STI has so much potential (opinion)... and more practical (imo) I would love to have a Cayman but sounds like you are bored go drive an STI and see what you think, its all about how you like to drive.
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Old 12-21-2010, 10:13 AM   #17
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If I was in your situation I'd rather shoot myself in the foot than give up a Cayman for an STI. They are both fast, but IMO the Cayman is so much more fun to drive (except in snow, then the STI beats everything).
While I agree, there is another way to look at it.

I have an 04 WRX wagon that has that fun factor and all the practical use (drive year round, hauling stuff, including a 12ft john boat on top). Now I want another sports car for the weekend or occasional driving. This is where the Cayman could come in, except for me only having two seats does not work because I have kids. Thats why I am looking into a 993.

That said I could easily see why the OP would want to switch, sure he gives up some of the performance and luxury, but gains alot of versatility and still has a car that is a blast to drive.
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Old 12-21-2010, 11:34 AM   #18
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I'm going to do a little "off the top of my head" here......

Cayman S:
quiet as a mouse, but tuned to let the nice exhaust noise channel directly to your ears
ergodynamics of a Flintstone mobile
prestige to die for (although real Porschephiles think you're scum)
driving feel like no other. Like a Porsche....not an explorer
Costs $2000 just to make a service appointment
advisable to make service appointments well in advance as everything breaks all the time
Just like a VW.....sort of an updated 914
Aftermarket upgrades cost $texas

STi:
Before the turbo kicks in, almost the torque of a Kia Rio
Driving experience similar to being riveted inside a tin can with a loose ball bearing
prestige equivalent to driving a V6 mustang
You'll get to 60mph 0.4 seconds faster
You will not experience the service department because...well...your car won't break
You can't fit a 4x8 sheet of plywood inside the car but you can get 2 more people inside
There is no electrically operated, leather manhood polishing machine in the 212 way power seats
Upgrades are not as cheap as a Mustang, but you can go stage 34 for cheaper than the upgraded steering wheel trim of a Cayman

When you get right down to it....you really have to drive an STi to see if it suits you. If not, try an Audi A3. No, really.
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Old 12-21-2010, 06:29 PM   #19
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While I agree, there is another way to look at it.

I have an 04 WRX wagon that has that fun factor and all the practical use (drive year round, hauling stuff, including a 12ft john boat on top). Now I want another sports car for the weekend or occasional driving. This is where the Cayman could come in, except for me only having two seats does not work because I have kids. Thats why I am looking into a 993.

That said I could easily see why the OP would want to switch, sure he gives up some of the performance and luxury, but gains alot of versatility and still has a car that is a blast to drive.
Yup, I'm basically trying to save some money yet still have a car that is fun to drive on a daily basis. My wife has a 2-seater as well, and it gets old after a while, even though the Cayman has quite a bit of cargo space. Having the extra seats and the hatch without losing much to performance seems like a fair compromise for me right now. Also, the ability to add 50+hp to the car for little money is another attractive feature of the WRX/STi. At that point I think the STi would give my Cayman a run for its money.
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Old 12-21-2010, 07:56 PM   #20
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+1 on a3
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Old 12-21-2010, 08:07 PM   #21
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when i first picked up my 08 sti it really didnt wow me... i mean it handles freaking great but the power was not there.. then i put a 3 inch catless downpipe ans full 3 inch all the way back with a cobb stage 2 map and all i can say is what a freaking different car now..56HP and 72TQ over stock ... im happy with high 12s;]
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Old 12-21-2010, 08:08 PM   #22
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I Have a Porsche Boxster, a 2004 WRX with 420+hp and a Mercedes C350. They are all different animals. But my baby is the Subaru. The Bosxter is the " I want to be alone and have fun car". The Benz is the " I dont want to get pullover but got the get the groceries fast car". The suby is the " Holy Sh*&&%^ this is fast lets go to the track car".
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Old 12-21-2010, 08:18 PM   #23
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Hmm... I've heard good things about the A3, but am a little wary of Audi's reliability. I may have to check one out though for good measure.
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Old 12-21-2010, 08:26 PM   #24
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I Have a Porsche Boxster, a 2004 WRX with 420+hp and a Mercedes C350. They are all different animals. But my baby is the Subaru. The Bosxter is the " I want to be alone and have fun car". The Benz is the " I dont want to get pullover but got the get the groceries fast car". The suby is the " Holy Sh*&&%^ this is fast lets go to the track car".
Interesting comparison, but then again your WRX has 400+ HP. Is there any reason why you went with a WRX instead of an STi originally? Any regrets about that decision?
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Old 12-21-2010, 08:49 PM   #25
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if you ask me...drive the '11 WRX and STi...i actually considered a Cayman when I was buying a car...i know it would have been a stretch given my budget...but, my wife was actually willing to chip in if i got the porsche...but, after visiting the dealership here in MN and getting the cold shoulder...i turned another direction...seriously...

head to the Subaru delearship and go for a drive...i'm sure it will help you decide!
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