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Old 12-05-2010, 04:23 PM   #1
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Default First track day in the STI. Am I Prepared?

I am taking my 07 STI to Sebring this coming Sunday. I have done track days before but not in the STI. I have a catback exhaust as my only mod, running Hankook RS-3s. I checked my oil and coolant. What do I need to do to prepare?
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Old 12-05-2010, 04:49 PM   #2
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Have you upgraded the brake pads and fluid? If not, do it. Get some dedicated track pads to swap in (Carbotech XP12/10, Hawk HTC-70/60, PFC 01/97, etc.) and flush the brake system with some fluid that can take more heat (ATE Super Blue, Motul 600, or similar).

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Old 12-05-2010, 05:19 PM   #3
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Mav1c nailed it. Brakes take care of them.
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Old 12-05-2010, 06:49 PM   #4
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I'd add Ti shims to go with the track pads.
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Old 12-05-2010, 06:53 PM   #5
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I personally always do an oil change prior to track events.... brake lines are also a nice upgrade (since you should flush brake fluids anyways). Depending on your skill level, that should suffice... Of course, nicer pads, etc are nice, but if you can't use them to their potential and are not completely comfortable with your car/braking, no real reason to get it IMO (especially since it is your first event, just look to learn the line, use instructors if provided, etc). Find out if you like tracking the car and go from there.

most of all: Enjoy your first event.
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Old 12-05-2010, 07:08 PM   #6
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I personally always do an oil change prior to track events.... brake lines are also a nice upgrade (since you should flush brake fluids anyways). Depending on your skill level, that should suffice... Of course, nicer pads, etc are nice, but if you can't use them to their potential and are not completely comfortable with your car/braking, no real reason to get it IMO (especially since it is your first event, just look to learn the line, use instructors if provided, etc). Find out if you like tracking the car and go from there.

most of all: Enjoy your first event.
I have to disagree with you about the pads. I hadn't been to the track in years when I first took my STi back in '03. 15 minutes into the second session the OEM pads were fading. The next dry event I tried the Ferodo DS2500. Still didn't quite cut it. IMHO, these cars need full race pads on the track.
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Old 12-05-2010, 07:46 PM   #7
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Yeah I would think full race pads are a must at that type of track. Man oems die on hot days during autox events!!!
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Old 12-05-2010, 08:11 PM   #8
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People bash them but I've used Hawk HP+ for several events and they hold up fine. I have front Brembos.

Loosen and then torque all of the lug nuts on your wheels. You got the mechanic's inspection, right?
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Old 12-06-2010, 03:04 AM   #9
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I forgot to mention that I'm going to put on new Hawk HPS pads. I got them for free so I'm going to see how they perform. I'm not going for a time attack record on each lap so I'm hoping they will hold up for the one day event.

I did not get a mechanics inspection yet. What will they check for me that I can't do?
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Old 12-06-2010, 04:55 AM   #10
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sweet let me know how that goes I am planning to hit Sebring early next year!
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Old 12-06-2010, 09:15 AM   #11
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HPS are not adequate for a track event. I used them at the first event I ever did and within the first couple sessions they were fading badly. Don't ruin your weekend by cheaping out on brake pads, get something that's designed for at least light track use. CL RC5+, Ferodo DS2500, Pagid Black/Yellow, Carbotech XP8...any of these would do the trick.
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Old 12-06-2010, 09:46 AM   #12
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I forgot to mention that I'm going to put on new Hawk HPS pads. I got them for free so I'm going to see how they perform. I'm not going for a time attack record on each lap so I'm hoping they will hold up for the one day event.

I did not get a mechanics inspection yet. What will they check for me that I can't do?
You said you've done track days before, so you're not a total newb. The HPS will NOT, I repeat, will NOT be adequate for track use. DO NOT use them. Get some real track pads and upgrade the fluid. Please, please take this advice. It will save you from having a bad experience, and most importantly keep you and your instructor safe.

I know from experience. Earlier this year I had a student that sounded just like you. He'd done a few track days but this was his first time in the STI. He was running the stock pads and fluid. This was a huge red flag. I was asking how the brakes felt as often as I could. Well...first session of the second day we finally had some open track, and he had learned the line well. After about 3 laps we are entering the brake zone and all I hear is "no brakes". Luckily there was nobody near us, and he managed to scrub off enough speed to not go off. He'd boiled the fluid and totally cooked the stock pads.

The HPS aren't any better than the stock pads for the track, IMO. Like I said, get some real track pads.
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Old 12-06-2010, 09:56 AM   #13
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Ya what he said.

You get a lot of flaming and ego on NASIOC, but when it comes to brakes on the track you really do need to get some good fluid and pad material.

HPS will fail (or fade like a bastard) and if you're not experienced enough to realize the danger signs, you could hurt yourself or damage your car.

Grab a set of track grade pads and just save them for when you run track days. It's VERY cheap insurance...
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Old 12-06-2010, 10:21 AM   #14
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Brake pads and brake fluid

Otherwise you'll just be drag racing down the straights.

You'll also likely ruin the pads and possibly the rotors as well.

That's the Chin event btw isn't it? Full 30 minute sessions and 'happy hour'. I wanted to come down but I'll be at PRI.
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Old 12-06-2010, 11:06 AM   #15
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Pads and fluid change are a must. Be sure to properly bed your new pads, don't just throw them in at the track. This sounds like a street car, so it will be easy to find some deserted road to do this on. Do it a day before you go and remember they are track pads, they will not have the same cold stopping ability as a street pad, they like a little heat in them. I use the Stoptech method for bedding and have for years on my race car, but there are other variations on the theme which other people prefer.
http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...formance.shtml
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Old 12-06-2010, 11:07 AM   #16
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You'll also likely ruin the pads and possibly the rotors as well.
And then he will be calling you!-LOL
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Old 12-06-2010, 11:38 AM   #17
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It's been said but I'll echo it again just for emphasis. Get a more track suited pad than the HPS and you MUST change your brake fluid. If everything else is in working order then you'll be fine.

I might suggest a CG lock to hold you in place a little better since the STi seats will have you sliding around a bit more than you'll probably want.
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Old 12-06-2010, 01:16 PM   #18
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You said you've done track days before, so you're not a total newb. The HPS will NOT, I repeat, will NOT be adequate for track use. DO NOT use them. Get some real track pads and upgrade the fluid. Please, please take this advice. It will save you from having a bad experience, and most importantly keep you and your instructor safe.

I know from experience. Earlier this year I had a student that sounded just like you. He'd done a few track days but this was his first time in the STI. He was running the stock pads and fluid. This was a huge red flag. I was asking how the brakes felt as often as I could. Well...first session of the second day we finally had some open track, and he had learned the line well. After about 3 laps we are entering the brake zone and all I hear is "no brakes". Luckily there was nobody near us, and he managed to scrub off enough speed to not go off. He'd boiled the fluid and totally cooked the stock pads.

The HPS aren't any better than the stock pads for the track, IMO. Like I said, get some real track pads.


^^^^^^^^This. I was instructing at that event and remember Tim's face when he told me about it. It could have ended a LOT worse.


Going to the track = get track pads and decent fluid.
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you might also like to use a brake master cylinder stiffy along with what everybody else recommended. Also watching an instructional video would help quite a bit..

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Old 12-06-2010, 01:40 PM   #20
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Did anyone mention track pads and fluid? Do that.
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Did anyone mention track pads and fluid? Do that.
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Old 12-06-2010, 01:44 PM   #22
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Grap on my tired.

But seriously, it's a crazy expensive sport/hobby. Do not cheap out on brakes, which are safety equipment for all intents and purposes. If you don't want to spend the money or time on something as basic and necessary as two sets of pads, don't bother at all. It ain't for you.
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Old 12-06-2010, 03:35 PM   #24
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how can you say that this is your first track day and do not even know what type of pads you should be running let alone the fluid... /rant... have fun if you prepare correctly you should have a blast and take in info like a sponge
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you might also like to use a brake master cylinder stiffy along with what everybody else recommended. Also watching an instructional video would help quite a bit..

have fun !
DO NOT learn how to drive from an instructional video It's just going to fill your head with a lot of information (which may or may not be valid) and no means to apply it. Just go there with an open mind and a desire to learn, and listen to your instructor and you will be much better off.
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