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Old 12-09-2010, 10:40 PM   #1
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Default DWS vs original ExtremeContact

I searched but can't quite find a straight answer, and was hoping to hear from someone who has owned both the original ContiExtremeContact and the DWS. I have the originals on my car right now, due to be replaced soon. I was very impressed with snow traction last winter, but like many, I wasn't thrilled with the soft sidewalls.

My questions, for anyone who has used both:

How does the DWS sidewall compare to the original? Does braking/steering feel better, the car wonder less?

Are the DWS quieter than the originals? It's gotten worse with time, but mine are LOUD at certain speeds.

Any experience with snow traction for one versus the other?

Thanks in advance. I know I'd be better running winters and summers, but storage right now doesn't make that practical. I'd love to hear that these are good enough to live with year round, the previous were just about there.
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Old 12-12-2010, 06:33 PM   #2
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I have used both Contis for my cold weather set up.
I never ran them back to back, but with two seasons of my warm set up in between.
Note that I am running Ohlins struts with RCE blacks and a stock alignment.
With those conditions in mind, I think that the tires are very similar in most respects.
Except that I would agree that the DWS are less squishy then their predecessors.
But I never really noticed the issues that you mentioned.
Are you running lots of camber or much lower than stock ?
To answer the main question...
Yes, if I could only have one set of tires for my NJ location, I would get the DWS.
There is not much snow here,
so I would get them as wide as possible to compensate for loss of grip relative to a summer tire.
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Old 12-12-2010, 06:49 PM   #3
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my dws's are pretty new still, but they are very quiet, handling is squishy and snow traction is "ok", nothing special but not bad.
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Old 12-12-2010, 08:10 PM   #4
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Thanks very much for the info, it's always tough to get a good sense of what to expect with tires, since things like feel are so subjective.

Car is totally stock, and was aligned at the dealer (presumably to stock specs) about six months ago. Not sure what kind of milage my current ExtremeContacts have, they came on the car, and I've put at least 25 k on them (car is at 78k). They seemed decent the first few months (of course, nothing to compare against) but I definitely noticed a lot of squishiness whenever I was running stock pressures. At least one of them started getting really loud between 35-55 mph about 15k ago, sounding a lot like a bad wheel bearing (that moved front to back when I rotated the tires). So some of my dislike could be that my current ones are just worn out, or possibly one is defective.

Still not for sure what I'm going to be doing, though I've been leaning towards the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus or the Bridgestone RE960 A/S Pole Position after researching them the last few days. Costco has either, installed, at a very decent price. I'm really hoping that either of these will meet my needs for a true all-season. But if not, I think I would prefer to use one of those as my "summer tire" supplemented by a set of snows, rather than a set of Contis for the winter supplemented by true summer tires.

Thanks again!
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Old 12-12-2010, 09:12 PM   #5
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Thanks very much for the info, it's always tough to get a good sense of what to expect with tires, since things like feel are so subjective.

Car is totally stock, and was aligned at the dealer (presumably to stock specs) about six months ago. Not sure what kind of milage my current ExtremeContacts have, they came on the car, and I've put at least 25 k on them (car is at 78k). They seemed decent the first few months (of course, nothing to compare against) but I definitely noticed a lot of squishiness whenever I was running stock pressures. At least one of them started getting really loud between 35-55 mph about 15k ago, sounding a lot like a bad wheel bearing (that moved front to back when I rotated the tires). So some of my dislike could be that my current ones are just worn out, or possibly one is defective.

Still not for sure what I'm going to be doing, though I've been leaning towards the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus or the Bridgestone RE960 A/S Pole Position after researching them the last few days. Costco has either, installed, at a very decent price. I'm really hoping that either of these will meet my needs for a true all-season. But if not, I think I would prefer to use one of those as my "summer tire" supplemented by a set of snows, rather than a set of Contis for the winter supplemented by true summer tires.

Thanks again!
the dws's are better in the snow than the pilot sports or the 960's but arent as good in the dry. if you can swing 2 sets of wheels its by far the best choice. no all season is good in the snow and good handling in the dry. they compromise one for the other and suck at both. for me the best setup would be dunlop wintersport 3d's for winter and dunlop star specs or hankook rs3's for the other 3 seasons.
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Old 12-13-2010, 09:47 AM   #6
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Yeah, I know that I'd be better with two sets, but money and storage are at a premium at the moment. I used to run two sets back when I had rwd BMWs, but it was also not really optional on those, and I had a place to store the extra set.

We do have the Wintersport 3Ds on my wife's Astra, and they are fantastic, but we only have room for one set of wheels at the moment. Handle better than the stock A/S Hankook Optimos, which we are planning on replacing with proper summer tires in the next year or two.

I don't drive very aggressively these days, so I'm okay with the compromises I know I'll be getting, especially on the summer end of things. My past experience is that all-seasons are acceptable (by my standards) in the snow especially when new-ish, so I'm hoping that will remain true. My driving is city/highway right now, and they did a good job with snow removal last year. If I find myself living in the country again, I'll probably go for a set of snows.
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Old 12-13-2010, 12:09 PM   #7
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As far as i know, the dws's are the best all season in the snow so if you arent an aggressive driver they are probably your best choice.
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Old 12-15-2010, 09:42 AM   #8
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I just replaced the Contiextremecontacts on my wife's OB with DWS. She had the CECs on for about 60K miles and they were pretty good but handling wasn't a premium for us since they were on an OB and not a performance car like the WRX. They did get very noisy as time went on.

Unfortunately we just put the DWS on the other night so I don't have much input on how they are yet. Obviously they are better then the CECs they replaced since the CECs were so old and these are brand new. Haven't had to deal with any snow yet but if they do as well as the CECs did then I will be happy. I'll be bumping up the pressure on these as I did with the CECs to get rid of some of the sidewall flex.
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