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Old 12-09-2010, 11:02 PM   #1
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Lets hear your justification as to why you purchased an STI over a WRX or visa versa.

Personally I am in the market for a new Subaru. I just sold a MY03 WRX wagon. I performed many modifications to that car and I loved the way it drove. However, I have always wanted an STI, specifically an STI WAGON. I have been reading articles over the interwebs, and Car&Driver states that the differences between the 2011 WRX and 20011 STI are not enough to justify the extra cost unless you are going to use the car as a rally car.

Now that both cars come in a widebody I have less reason to go with the STI, but I like the idea of better suspension performance right out of the box, as well as that fancy adjustable ECU.

Please give me your insight and expert knowledge. Thanks in advance. I just want to make sure I make the right choice for me.

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Old 12-09-2010, 11:06 PM   #2
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This has been done. Again and again.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ght=wrx+vs+sti

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Old 12-09-2010, 11:10 PM   #3
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You just opened a whole can of worms on a beaten horse.

My reasons are relatively simple. I've done the WRX thing and I've done the STI thing. Regardless of how much merit their is in the 5spd's weaknesses, the paranoia of breaking it is enough to justify the added cost of the STI. I don't want to sound like a braggart, but I make good money and am living well below my means so I won't miss that 6 grand and consider it an investment in my happiness in the car, which means I'll keep it longer, which is better financially in the long run.
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Old 12-09-2010, 11:20 PM   #4
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Thank you for the link. I have been punching in all kinds of search terms and found very little, but you link is exactly what I am looking for. Please post more links if they are out there. I just want to make sure I make an educated decision on this purchase.

Not all of us have an endless supply of money, so the decision hits home a little more. Thanks for your insight. Happy driving.
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Old 12-09-2010, 11:26 PM   #5
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Old 12-10-2010, 12:12 AM   #6
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You will always regret not getting the STi.

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Old 12-10-2010, 12:17 AM   #7
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for me, it was about budget...i wanted to make sure i bought a car i can afford... so, i bought the wrx yeah, i know i won't get the 6 speed, suspension, etc...but, at least i was financially comfortable with my purchase...
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Old 12-10-2010, 12:42 AM   #8
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You will always regret not getting the STi.

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Hmmm, well if you notice the new 5 speed with the LGT gear set is having no problems with guys dragging their cars with 400+whp and the vf52 makes just about the same power as the STI out of the box for the 09/10's and when tuned for the 11's. And with the new RCE/Bilstein suspension I dropped in(1150$ with RCE yellows to the door) I now have a much better suspension than the best stock STI.

Here is where the STI is better, on the TRACK. Better brakes (although not really track worthy, but Much better), and better wheel bearings, and while the new 5mt is holding up quite well I still do not doubt that the 6mt is better for big power, plus the LS rear diff and the ability to control to some extent where the power goes make it more than worth it if you want to track it.

If you want a DD with auto/rally cross potential on a budget get the WRX. If you are going to track the car it is probably cheaper in the long run to just get the STI.
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Old 12-10-2010, 12:48 AM   #9
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i just purchased the 2011 wrx impreza and ive been struggling on what to do and in what order without going against the warranty and i know i sound like a "newbie" and i am thats why im here asking you guys on advice. any feedback would be great thanks
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Old 12-10-2010, 01:03 AM   #10
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[quote=etothen;32699189]Hmmm, well if you notice the new 5 speed with the LGT gear set is having no problems with guys dragging their cars with 400+whp and the vf52 makes just about the same power as the STI out of the box for the 09/10's and when tuned for the 11's. And with the new RCE/Bilstein suspension I dropped in(1150$ with RCE yellows to the door) I now have a much better suspension than the best stock STI.

i am still yet to see a 09 wrx put 400 on a stock tray for any amount of time.

Some people will always be in denial.
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Old 12-10-2010, 01:15 AM   #11
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Start off with small things. My first mod was a shift knob from team voodoo.
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Old 12-10-2010, 01:23 AM   #12
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Hmmm, well if you notice the new 5 speed with the LGT gear set is having no problems with guys dragging their cars with 400+whp and the vf52 makes just about the same power as the STI out of the box for the 09/10's and when tuned for the 11's. And with the new RCE/Bilstein suspension I dropped in(1150$ with RCE yellows to the door) I now have a much better suspension than the best stock STI.

i am still yet to see a 09 wrx put 400 on a stock tray for any amount of time.

Some people will always be in denial.


Find some that have failed (other than that idiot on Utube that pounds gears and is surprised, he could have broken a 6mt. So find me some 09+ failed 5mt posts ) that do not turn out to be clutch problems. You could start by looking in the thread I started.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2042514

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Old 12-10-2010, 11:47 AM   #13
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Thanks for all of the posts guys. I modded my MY03 WRX(check the link), because out of the box that car had way more power than suspension. After I the suspension was installed amongst other mods like steering rack bushings and the like, I thought the car was much more driver friendly. Most mods I performed were centered around the driving experience.

I am not looking to rally race, but I do think it would be fun to do a little autocross, and I would love to get a WRX/STI out on a closed course track, but I am not looking to do a lot of racing with this new purchase. I am not made of money nor do I expect I ever will be, but I like nice things and I take very good care of them. This car will have to last me many years, and I just think 'out of the box' the STI is more of a drivers car. I guess the best way to tell what I want is to go drive them both. It seems that the new STI is few and far between here in Oregon and will be difficult to find an STI and WRX on the same lot at the same time. Suggestions?

Also, the winters in Central Oregon require that I switch between summer and winter tires. With the STI can I run a 16" or 17" wheels for my winter set up? As much as I would like to park my new car in the garage for the winter, I have to be realistic. I have to drive in the snow and ice though out the winter.

Thanks again for your insight. Much appreciated. Cheers!
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:50 AM   #14
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The 2011 WRX was at the top end of my budget and I'm perfectly happy with my purchase. I put on 16" steelies and snow tires and it works great in the MN snow!
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Hmmm, well if you notice the new 5 speed with the LGT gear set is having no problems with guys dragging their cars with 400+whp and the vf52 makes just about the same power as the STI out of the box for the 09/10's and when tuned for the 11's. And with the new RCE/Bilstein suspension I dropped in(1150$ with RCE yellows to the door) I now have a much better suspension than the best stock STI.

Here is where the STI is better, on the TRACK. Better brakes (although not really track worthy, but Much better), and better wheel bearings, and while the new 5mt is holding up quite well I still do not doubt that the 6mt is better for big power, plus the LS rear diff and the ability to control to some extent where the power goes make it more than worth it if you want to track it.

If you want a DD with auto/rally cross potential on a budget get the WRX. If you are going to track the car it is probably cheaper in the long run to just get the STI.
source plz. i'm curious
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Old 12-10-2010, 03:32 PM   #16
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I purchased a WRX instead of an STI because of the price and insurance rates.


I'm on my 2nd WRX, and I have my 3rd on order. I always wanted an STI - what WRX owner doesn't? Anyhoo, in Nov 2007 i went to a dealership specifically to look at a used 2006 STI, but I ended up with my 08 WRX instead. The used STI was only a few thousand dollars more than the new WRX, but the monthly payments would have been higher, and my insurance rates would have increased significantly. Plus, I liked the 08 body style, interior, and how I fit into the driver's compartment. New car, new warranty, monthly payments and insurance rates stayed pretty much the same as they were for my 02 WRX... I guess the older, more practical me took charge that day. I haven't ever regretted the decision. I've driven a few STIs, and they're great and all, but I think that car's potential would have been wasted on me had I done things differently.

WRX #3 is due to arrive on 12/21. Again, compared to the 08, insurance rates and monthly payments will stay basically the same. Actually, monthly payments may go down slightly. For me, the WRX strikes a good balance between performance and affordability.
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Old 12-10-2010, 03:52 PM   #17
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I purchased a WRX instead of an STI because of the price and insurance rates.


I'm on my 2nd WRX, and I have my 3rd on order. I always wanted an STI - what WRX owner doesn't? Anyhoo, in Nov 2007 i went to a dealership specifically to look at a used 2006 STI, but I ended up with my 08 WRX instead. The used STI was only a few thousand dollars more than the new WRX, but the monthly payments would have been higher, and my insurance rates would have increased significantly. Plus, I liked the 08 body style, interior, and how I fit into the driver's compartment. New car, new warranty, monthly payments and insurance rates stayed pretty much the same as they were for my 02 WRX... I guess the older, more practical me took charge that day. I haven't ever regretted the decision. I've driven a few STIs, and they're great and all, but I think that car's potential would have been wasted on me had I done things differently.

WRX #3 is due to arrive on 12/21. Again, compared to the 08, insurance rates and monthly payments will stay basically the same. Actually, monthly payments may go down slightly. For me, the WRX strikes a good balance between performance and affordability.
Perhaps its different for each carrier, but I and several others that checked with our insurance companies found the new 2011 STI as a lower number on the "risk" scale than the 2011 WRX and, as a result, is cheaper to insure.
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Okay, can anyone tell me if I can run a 16" or 17" wheel on the new STI? I know the bolt pattern is different, but the big question is, will 16/17" wheels fit over the big brembo brakes?

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Okay, can anyone tell me if I can run a 16" or 17" wheel on the new STI? I know the bolt pattern is different, but the big question is, will 16/17" wheels fit over the big brembo brakes?

Thanks.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...els+sti+winter

Any 2005+ sti 17" bbs's will work, obviously. I don't think you can get any 16's to work. Those 17s barely clear the calipers.
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Old 12-10-2010, 05:09 PM   #20
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You can find the dyno numbers on the Cobb dyno database on some of the cars, other than that look around in the proven power section.
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Hmmm, well if you notice the new 5 speed with the LGT gear set is having no problems with guys dragging their cars with 400+whp and the vf52 makes just about the same power as the STI out of the box for the 09/10's and when tuned for the 11's. And with the new RCE/Bilstein suspension I dropped in(1150$ with RCE yellows to the door) I now have a much better suspension than the best stock STI.

Here is where the STI is better, on the TRACK. Better brakes (although not really track worthy, but Much better), and better wheel bearings, and while the new 5mt is holding up quite well I still do not doubt that the 6mt is better for big power, plus the LS rear diff and the ability to control to some extent where the power goes make it more than worth it if you want to track it.

If you want a DD with auto/rally cross potential on a budget get the WRX. If you are going to track the car it is probably cheaper in the long run to just get the STI.
WOW! So you're saying an aftermarket product is better than the stock suspension?

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Old 12-10-2010, 05:52 PM   #22
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I am waiting for my car to reach the magic 1K mark, At that point I will probably try the Cobb AP. If it pushes 300hp like it says, I won't be sorry for my 2011 WRX purchase.
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Hmmm, well if you notice the new 5 speed with the LGT gear set is having no problems with guys dragging their cars with 400+whp and the vf52 makes just about the same power as the STI out of the box for the 09/10's and when tuned for the 11's. And with the new RCE/Bilstein suspension I dropped in(1150$ with RCE yellows to the door) I now have a much better suspension than the best stock STI.
Lol, what? There is no "best" stock STi...
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I disagree. I consciously made the decision to buy the WRX. For my needs (daily driving), the STI is overkill. Spending absolutely no time on the track means I couldn't justify the price gap.
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I disagree. I consciously made the decision to buy the WRX. For my needs (daily driving), the STI is overkill. Spending absolutely no time on the track means I couldn't justify the price gap.
Post '08 it's a tough decision. The freedom to drive the car like it was meant to is nice though. Most of us certainly didn't buy our cars to leave them stock so being care free at stage 2 is a good feeling. Yes the power can be equivalent on 09's and up but the 6spd is simply amazing and so well matched for that engine. Yeah the ratios are close but that means that you're almost always in boost. Plus with a Kartboy SS it is pure sex
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