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Old 12-15-2010, 04:14 PM   #1
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Default Tracking with Hankook V12's?

Has anyone had experience at a driving event with these tires? I will be doing 25 minute sessions

I have a separate set of wheels and tires for a track day, but they got f'd up on the freeway on the way to the track. I have V12's on my daily, and theres a track day on friday, and I can't fix wheels & get new tires by then.

I've done autocross on my stock dunlop sp sport 01 tires, but they started chipping and chunking off.. I'm wondering what will happen to my Hankook V12s.

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Old 12-16-2010, 05:55 AM   #2
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I would NOT suggest trying to track the v12 hankooks

as bad as they suck on the street, they would REEEEELY suck on any track
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Old 12-16-2010, 07:13 AM   #3
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For a track day I would pass, but I did do five Auto-X events with them and they held up fine (two in the rain). I could imagine them struggling during a 25 min session.

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as bad as they suck on the street, they would REEEEELY suck on any track
, they aint that bad. Decent pricing and testing results.

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Old 12-16-2010, 07:16 AM   #4
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I wonder how you can say that Uncle Scotty test after test on these tires they come in as one of the top 3 consistently
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Old 12-16-2010, 07:24 AM   #5
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I wonder how you can say that Uncle Scotty test after test on these tires they come in as one of the top 3 consistently

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Old 12-16-2010, 08:28 AM   #6
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I wonder how you can say that Uncle Scotty test after test on these tires they come in as one of the top 3 consistently
Because Scotty judges tires based on sidewall stiffness and dry grip alone.

This has been the case for almost 10 years now. Just ignore.
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Old 12-16-2010, 11:55 AM   #7
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Mustang guys love them. cross and street

We tested the Hankook Ventus V12 evo against the Bridgestone Potenza RE760 Sport on a dry autocross course with a lane-change section, slalom, 180-degree turn and fast sweeping right- and left-handers on identical Ford Mustang GTs. Through all the exercises, the Hankooks were more predictable, responded faster to steering inputs and offered more grip through the fast portions of the course. The Bridgestones still offered respectable performance, but compared with the Hankooks, they understeered more and weren't as quick to change direction.


Hankook's explanation for its superior performance comes down to a number of things. Engineers first credited the V12 evo's 3D tread block edges and continuous center rib, which provides optimal ground-contact pressure to improve response and brake performance. Much credit also went to the evo's construction, which utilizes twin steel belts reinforced with two-ply nylon and a lower side wall made from hard rubber with steel reinforcement. (Bridgestone only uses hard rubber for its lower side wall.)


We didn't get a chance to test the V12 evo's wet-weather performance, but Hankook says the tread's wide linear grooves and Y-shaped pattern make it efficiently channel water away from the tire for good wet-weather performance.

The V12 came in first place wet traction car and driver
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Old 12-16-2010, 02:09 PM   #8
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I have used MANY-MANY UHP and MAX performance tires over the last 20 or so years

the v12 hankook is NOT a UHP or MAX performance tire


no as in way.

I think I liked the re92 better


there are SO MANY BETTER choices out there....the v12's suck

and screw what the tests say.....somebody got paid off, I think
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Old 12-16-2010, 02:44 PM   #9
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I have used MANY-MANY UHP and MAX performance tires over the last 20 or so years

the v12 hankook is NOT a UHP or MAX performance tire


no as in way.

I think I liked the re92 better


there are SO MANY BETTER choices out there....the v12's suck

and screw what the tests say.....somebody got paid off, I think
one man's opinion.. I have many guys that love this tire mostly for street but some auto cross.Note Hankook is 10% owned by Michelin and they share R+D.

Question have you drivin these evos?
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Old 12-16-2010, 03:07 PM   #10
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I have used MANY-MANY UHP and MAX performance tires over the last 20 or so years

the v12 hankook is NOT a UHP or MAX performance tire


no as in way.

I think I liked the re92 better


there are SO MANY BETTER choices out there....the v12's suck

and screw what the tests say.....somebody got paid off, I think
Do you have any suggestions for a tire around the price range of the v12's?
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Old 12-16-2010, 04:06 PM   #11
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For track days, I'd always prefer a race tire over any street tire..... i miss ra1's and even my old set of yoko 032r hards. Could go lapping forever on these sets.

Maybe opt out for a set nitto nt-01's.... pretty cheap / uses same carcass as r888/ra1?
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Old 12-16-2010, 05:13 PM   #12
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Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta:#1st in Auto Bild Allesallrad euro testing, and everyone i have sold a set to raves about them!
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Old 12-16-2010, 08:48 PM   #13
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one man's opinion.. I have many guys that love this tire mostly for street but some auto cross.Note Hankook is 10% owned by Michelin and they share R+D.

Question have you drivin these evos?
I thought my post was specific enough to preclude any confusion.



yeah....~15k miles

too long


THEY SUCK
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Old 12-16-2010, 08:51 PM   #14
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Do you have any suggestions for a tire around the price range of the v12's?
almost anything


the star specs are MUCH more of a performance tire

and if you intend to not drive in the rain, the kumho XS would be great....but no rain
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Old 12-17-2010, 01:31 AM   #15
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Because Scotty judges tires based on sidewall stiffness and dry grip alone.

This has been the case for almost 10 years now. Just ignore.
I can't believe it, but I'm actually gonna defend Uncle Scotty! The OP is asking about a track tire, so sidewall stiffness and dry traction are exactly what you want. Oh, and reasonably light weight too, which is also a 'Scotty must-have.

For street tires to use at the track the two that Scotty suggested are as close as you can get to a track tire, along with select other tires that are pricier. But what you really want for track sessions is a track tire. You can usually find used ones for pretty cheap (from racers) that are a little too used/heat-cycled for them, but will be a ton better than your street tires. Put them on a set of crummy used rims, and if you have any off-track adventures you won't care so much. Not to mention you won't have to clean off the brake dust.
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Old 12-17-2010, 02:56 AM   #16
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short answer: no, dont do it. look into more agressive tires


great commuter summer tire imo. never got a chance to auto-x them and i dont want to. i doubt they will be competitive.
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Old 12-17-2010, 09:43 AM   #17
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I can't believe it, but I'm actually gonna defend Uncle Scotty! The OP is asking about a track tire, so sidewall stiffness and dry traction are exactly what you want. Oh, and reasonably light weight too, which is also a 'Scotty must-have.

For street tires to use at the track the two that Scotty suggested are as close as you can get to a track tire, along with select other tires that are pricier. But what you really want for track sessions is a track tire. You can usually find used ones for pretty cheap (from racers) that are a little too used/heat-cycled for them, but will be a ton better than your street tires. Put them on a set of crummy used rims, and if you have any off-track adventures you won't care so much. Not to mention you won't have to clean off the brake dust.


How about you read the OP?

He isn't looking for a track tire. He HAS separate track tires, one got damaged and he doesn't have time to replace.

He's asking to see how the V12's (his DD tires) will hold up for the ONE upcoming event.

Further, Scotty isn't just saying V12s are not-so-great track tires. Everyone in this thread knows that. He's saying they suck, period (which he says in every thread where the V12s are mentioned). Which is what most post was in response to.
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How about you read the OP?

He isn't looking for a track tire. He HAS separate track tires, one got damaged and he doesn't have time to replace.

He's asking to see how the V12's (his DD tires) will hold up for the ONE upcoming event.

Further, Scotty isn't just saying V12s are not-so-great track tires. Everyone in this thread knows that. He's saying they suck, period (which he says in every thread where the V12s are mentioned). Which is what most post was in response to.

I am SURE the v12's would be destroyed in one 'track day'

HEY....great way to get rid of these POS tires


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I've got the V12s for summer daily and some AutoX.

I ran about five AutoX events on them. Thus far, they've held up great, very predictable. I'd give it a shot, sure you won't be as competitive as race tires but they should hold up to this kind of abuse for one event.
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How about you read the OP?

He isn't looking for a track tire. He HAS separate track tires, one got damaged and he doesn't have time to replace.

He's asking to see how the V12's (his DD tires) will hold up for the ONE upcoming event.

Further, Scotty isn't just saying V12s are not-so-great track tires. Everyone in this thread knows that. He's saying they suck, period (which he says in every thread where the V12s are mentioned). Which is what most post was in response to.
And I did read the OP. I'm saying v12s will suck, so find a used garbage set for tracking. Or kill your v12s if you want, its not my car!
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I would stick with "Extreme Performance" type tires if you're chunking your stock summer tires.

Short list of dual duty street-track tires: Hankook RS3, Bridgestone RE11, Dunlop Z1 Star Spec, Yoko Advan AD08. These tires are pretty much made for the track, but can be used on the street.
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^ I sure want to give those RS3's a try....size is limited though.
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Has anyone had experience at a driving event with these tires? I will be doing 25 minute sessions

I have a separate set of wheels and tires for a track day, but they got f'd up on the freeway on the way to the track. I have V12's on my daily, and theres a track day on friday, and I can't fix wheels & get new tires by then.
So, Friday has come and gone, what was the verdict?

Personally, I think any decent performance tires can be used on track, it's simply a matter of listening to the feedback from the tires and driving to their limits. It's an HPDE, not a race. If you're trying to set the world on fire with lap times then build a Tyme Attakk!!! car. Sure, you'll be a couple seconds per lap slower on RE760s than you would be on Star Specs or Advans, but if that couple of seconds per lap means that you're not having fun out there then you're doing it wrong. Some might even find the lesser tires more enjoyable, because it's that much more of a challenge to keep up the pace and not kill the tires in the process.

I've done a full weekend in the middle of summer on RE92s on my sister's '02 stock WRX years ago. Got loooots of feedback from them, and they survived the weekend just fine. Oh, and I was the quickest Subaru there that weekend . The first 5 or 6 track days I did in my 4000# CTS-V were on Falken FK452s (in the stock, undersized 245/45-18s), not exactly renowned as a track day tire. Again, plenty of feedback to listen to, and they survived the hard work and saw a couple years of street use before I upgraded to 19"s earlier this year.

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V12 evo= Bad for track !!


After only 1 day on track my side wall looks like it's been cut with a knife !!
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My buddy tracked his mazda 3 with these and they chunked like no other. It was BAD.
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