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Old 07-04-2002, 08:58 PM   #1
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Post Rear Swaybar review

I just test drove the L.L. Bean Outback with the Whiteline BSR12XZ 20mm rear swaybar installed. I went for 50 miles around several twisties. Yes it does sit down on the road much better with much less, almost no, lean. I discovered that lean on corners is NOT the key factor in good handling! Yes it is a nice improvement, but not the silver bullet I thought it would be. After driving Chewie GT for weeks, with the stock bar, then driving the Bean today with the 20mm bar, I still much prefer the handling in the GT! The Outback still feels disconnected from the road, as if it is sitting above the road- as if floating on a cloud almost. Also the steering response remains the same, not good when compared the the GT. It is a combination of things that make me prefer the GT over the Bean, and the swaybar alone did not change my opinion one iota!

I will try an aggressive alignment next to see what that does.

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Old 07-05-2002, 02:40 AM   #2
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Your sensory perceptors are percepting correctly. The Bean Boy is probably a good 1.5 - 2" higher, suspension wise, than your Chewie, so it's going to roll or at least feel like it wants to roll from it's higher CG. The long travel suspension is also causing that "floaty" disconnected feeling that you get with the LLB, and short of putting the GT suspension under it, I don't think that is going to change much. Upping the air pressure will give you some additional "reaction" from the steering, an aggressive alignment, and possibly the ALK (although I have no personal experience with it), changing out the end links (F/R) are going to get you moving in the right direction but it's also going to make things a bit more twitchy so be ready for that too. You're looking for a "best" compromise until the suspension kits are ready for the BE/BH chassis.

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Old 07-05-2002, 09:06 AM   #3
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Hi Dale! All that is true, but there is another answer. One: I never drive the bean again Two: I get him to trade in the Bean for a 2002 Silver manual GT wagon, with it's cash back and 1.9% interest rate, we will pay less per month. Or I get him to trade-in the Bean for a 2003 GT manual wagon in Silver. There is one out there already, but too far to drive to. We'd have to order it. The only glitch in my plans is the trade-in value of the Bean. Some Dealers will only give us $22,000 for it, but I will keep looking for a Dealer that will pay it off. Wish me luck! Neither of us can get used to that automatic. It makes all those extra ponies feel lifeless and that car weighs the same as Fat Bastard I believe
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Old 07-05-2002, 01:57 PM   #4
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Heather,

Just like with Chewie, this will work itself out too. I know that I'm seeing low mileage LLB's here in Autotrader going for 25-26K from private parties so you'd definitely be taking a wooping on the trade-in, even with the cash back and the 1.9%. Everything on balance though, right?

BTW - where is that 02 GT Wagon? I'm looking for one and can't locate one locally. Is it a fully loaded GT or the basic, one each "standard" model? When are the 03's supposed to roll in? The question for me now is do I mod and drive the BD and wait for the power plus up in the 04 GT Wagon or get a new 02/03 and wait for the mod mfgr to ramp up?
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Old 07-05-2002, 03:42 PM   #5
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Go to www.subaru.com and do a Dealer Search. I found about 10 Gt wagons in Titanium Pearl and only 1 in Silver, but it is in Nevada. All are manual. If you want an automatic, which I seroiusly doubt, then you can find them everywhere, even here in Chico! The 2003 GT wagon manual in Silver is in Redwood City- Hey! Isn't that near you?
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Old 07-05-2002, 04:26 PM   #6
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I found several. Plus all the 2003's I saw on the Inventory yesterday, have been taken off, but I know there are at the Dealers NOW. Offically they are to be released August 1st according to 1(800)SUBARU3. Here you go!:
This one is Titanium Pearl
http://www.bianco.subaru.com/new_inv...xt=&resnum=all

This one is Black
http://www.carlsensubaru.com/new_inv...xt=&resnum=all

This one is Silver!
http://www.thousand-oaks.subaru.com/...xt=&resnum=all

If you want a GT sedan, those are everywhere as well, even in manual.
I hope this helped!
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Old 07-05-2002, 11:39 PM   #7
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I had made a dealer search about 1 1/2 weeks ago and came up with a ton of automatic GT wagons, and I stretched the search North and East for several hundred miles but could not find any manuals. I even called some of the ones that you listed to see if they had any allocation coming in and they all said either 1) they were "ordered" cars or 2) that they didn't show any coming in until the 2003. Go figure.

Good luck on your end with the swaybar and improving the handling on your LLB and I'll let you know how things go on this end. That silver sounds great! I'll have to make up my mind soon... now to sell my one of my BDs and my BK (30th Anniversary L wagon)....

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Old 07-06-2002, 06:26 PM   #8
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back to the original subject.

I've got a 99 SUS and it's a little sloppy on the corners. I don't even know what the stock rear sway bar is, much less how it compares to a 20mm on a Bean or whatever's on a GT.

Please give me some guidance, as I think I'm going to change the rear sway soon.

What is stock on the rear and on the front? I just put a Whiteline 18 to 22mm adjustable on my 98 OBS and it's working well, but there was a 13 mm on the rear before.

Thanks for any help.

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Old 07-06-2002, 09:40 PM   #9
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O.K. back on topic:
Stock in L.L. Bean 21mm front and 14mm rear
Stock in GT 20mm front and 14mm rear.

These are both post 2000 models. The older model of Outback and SUS had 20mm front and 18mm rear (your car). It turns out the 18mm rear was fine, but the plastic endlinks made the swaybar ineffective 90% of the time. So it DOES NOT need a larger rear bar, just steel endlinks at www.whiteline.com.au
This will make the rear swaybar effective at all times and give the car much better handling. We did have a 1999 Legacy Outback and now we know why it handled so poorly on corners. $59.00 endlinks is all it needed. If I only knew then what I know now, but I did not post here back then
So try the endlinks first and see what that does, then get a larger rear bar if you think you still need one. Chances are you won't.
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Old 07-10-2002, 06:41 PM   #10
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Can you install the links (front and rear) without raising the car?

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Old 07-10-2002, 11:19 PM   #11
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I installed the links and bar on my OBS with the wheels on the ground, I was told to do it that way, and I think they were right.

With everything on the ground, everything lines up.

To make it real easy, I took the car to the local oil change place, drove over the pit and did all the work standing up. There was one tight spot where I don't know if I could have done it flat on my back, as I needed a pry bar to coax one of the ends with a NEW bushing into the bracket.

I guess you could either do it that way or pull it onto a lift that would have all the wheels under load.

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Old 07-11-2002, 09:30 AM   #12
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Doing endlinks on your back is way too much work. Get some ramps or something to get the car up in the air keeping the load on the wheels. I fussed around putting the fronts on and said I'll do it in the morning. Got my car up on my mech's lift and made a world of difference. 30 mins for F/R endlinks & swaybar.

Like JJ said:
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I needed a pry bar to coax one of the ends with a NEW bushing into the bracket
, having the car up lets you have more leverage under the car to widen that gap.

Also, this(endlinks/Rearsway bar) was so far the best 200 dollar handling mod I've done-Also the only one. 6 Subaru star Mod in my book.

/Mark

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Old 07-11-2002, 11:09 AM   #13
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Converted the back of my 99 L to WL 18-22 w/endlinks in about 30 minutes with the car on ramps. Found it incredibly easy to do with the suspension sprung (compressed). Not sure how easily the holes would line up with the suspension unsprung. Think the reverse would be true for the fronts given the close quarters and that the sway bar is much more robust. I have yet to peform the upgrade on this end so I cannot speak from experience, just gauging the limited amount of "aligning" room up front. Agree with Sovereignmk1 about the 6-star improvement rating though. Significant bang for the buck!

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Old 07-11-2002, 11:16 AM   #14
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I will agree the swaybar install was easy (for me at least). My husband did not even have it on ramps. I have learned that the BSR12ZX 20mm adjustable swaybar is really 18mm, 20mm, 22mm. I have it set to 18mm.

This is from Whiteline: "We achieve the different rates by changine the fulcrum points and by the way we design and make the swaybar. This is how we can make a 20mm swaybar to be actually rated from 18mm up to 22mm."

He has been driving the Bean for a week since the install (me never) and he does say it is a huge improvement, even more then good tires. So yes, it is a really good first mod for under $200. www.Mofugas.com got these swaybars in now and they are cheaper by a few dollars then ISR, if anyone is looking for them.
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Old 07-11-2002, 02:20 PM   #15
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Is Mofugas ok to deal with? Thanks.
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Old 07-11-2002, 02:25 PM   #16
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They seem really good! If you have any questions at all, just e-mail them and they will write you back always within 24 hours. I would not hesitate to shop with them. Also they have the best price on the swaybar anywhere.
Good Luck!
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