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Old 05-13-2013, 09:10 AM   #1
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Default Good shop for shortblock install?

Threw a rod on Sunday and gonna hafta get it fixed soon cause its my daily and I'm just wondering of any1 has had good experiences with any shops in particular? Also curious how much it would cost at the dealer but considering they quoted me 500+ for a starter install that I did in an hour I'm kind if weary to go to them
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:30 AM   #2
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Check out agile auto they built mine and I have no complaints.
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:24 PM   #3
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Check out agile auto they built mine and I have no complaints.
What did it cost you?

Just got a quote for 6k for 2.0 or 2.5 install and that seems crazy high. I was thinkin like 3k

Is there any where I can get it done for 3k ? Or would I be better off finding a new engine to swap in??
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:26 PM   #4
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Call Sam at Andrewtech.
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Old 05-13-2013, 01:08 PM   #5
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3k? You can get a shortblock for 3k, sure. But with install? IDK SON!
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Old 05-13-2013, 01:10 PM   #6
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What did it cost you?

Just got a quote for 6k for 2.0 or 2.5 install and that seems crazy high.
That sounds about right

You gotta think they need to pull your engine dissemble it (maybe send it to a engine shop for machining) reassemble everything with new parts and put it back in. No walk in the park

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Old 05-13-2013, 02:44 PM   #7
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Wow, I'm really screwed I guess. May just sell it to at least pay off most of my loan. ahhh, Idk what to do
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:49 PM   #8
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Wow, I'm really screwed I guess. May just sell it to at least pay off most of my loan. ahhh, Idk what to do
I had to do it before I made my first car payment. I kno how you feel.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:54 PM   #9
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I'm getting ready to do the same thing, mainly to gain performance and reliability. A dear friend of mine went to akuma with poor results he's still sorting out. Try sourcing a block here on nasioc. May be your best bet. You might also find some nice people willing to help out for a few bucks and some beer/pizza (engine swap fuel).

Good luck, I know its a daunting task. $3k should get you pretty far in this process depending on what kind of short block you are looking for.
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Old 05-13-2013, 06:25 PM   #10
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So overwhelming, is changing the shortblock easier or harder then getting a new engine? Could care less about better performance I just want it to run again, it was plenty quick for me
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Old 05-13-2013, 06:28 PM   #11
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long block would be quicker than a short block if doing it in a driveway or at home or whatever.
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Old 05-13-2013, 06:39 PM   #12
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long block would be quicker than a short block if doing it in a driveway or at home or whatever.
Everyone makes it seem like this is the best option, but I have no where to do it let alone the tools to do it. I will say tho, my ambition is through the roof.even if it didn't work out at least I could say I tried. Any1 on here have any god results from doing a shortblock swap themselves? And if so what kind of experience did you have on your side?
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Old 05-13-2013, 07:03 PM   #13
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Swapping the short block is not a hard job long as you know what your doing.if your going to do the 2.5 short block gonna need to get the 2.5 oil pump also worry about the compression ratio. Me personally I've done the hybrid build twice with no problems.
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Old 05-13-2013, 07:40 PM   #14
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Hmm and is there a noticeable difference with the 2.5? And what about reliability? Would I need a tune? Was thinkin just sticking with a 2.0 cause thought it would be easier but getting an extra .5 liter outta this nightmare would be appealing. What kind if experience with subarus do you have? Professional or just DIY'r?
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:16 PM   #15
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You would need a tune, and generally it will be a bit more expensive for the motor. If you can go that route, I recommend it.
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Old 05-14-2013, 06:57 AM   #16
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I'm a Subaru tech yes it would require a tune. The easiest thing would be to buy a factory 2.0 swap your heads on it and go
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:07 AM   #17
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Your chasing your tail....2.5, 2.1, or hybrid all going to require a tune and all necessary prerequisite parts. Expect to pay 3500 to 6 g's, and yes there is a night and day difference between the ej20 and 2.5l.

Off boost torque and responce is night and day over the 2.0l, spool up is about 500 rpm less


Take the following into perspective if you just want to get back on the road:

A. new shortblock EJ20 (1800)
1. timing belt kit (300)
2. heads decked (150-200)
3. Gasket kit (250-300)
4. Tune (500)
5. Labor
6. Valve Job

Might as well but dont have too:
7. remove tgv's
8. upgrade fuel injectors
9. install turbo inlet


B. 2.1 Using your case if it is salvageable (include all of 1-6 above (+/- #'s 7-9)
1. Forged pistons w/rings (800)
2. Forged Rods (2.1 use sti rods $170)
3. Acl bearings ($100)
4. Killer B oil pickup (200)
5. Hone Block (200-250)
6. Tune (500)
7. Labor
8. 2.5lL crankshaft (300)
9. Six star racing has the complete kit at ($1300)

New shortblock:
ej20 & ej255/257 =$1800


I am sure i am missing a few things, but the above is a snap shot of what you are looking at. The most important part is WHO is doing the build, nothing else matters if the build is gets ****ed up/blown up. Choose wisely

Reliability is going to depend on the quality of the build, the quality of the parts, the quality of the tune, the quality of the driver, the quality of the maintence done on the vehicle, the quality of the oil used, the quality of tune, ect.

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