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Old 07-06-2002, 10:14 AM   #1
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Question Alignment settings?

I was reading through Whiteline's Suspension Secrets articles and they say an alignment is next after a rear swaybar. They said to go to their page for alignment specs. I did and they say there are no such thing as the right specs. Hmmm...

Anyone know the right alignment specs, for improved handling but not racing, of the 2002 GT wagon and L.L. Bean? I want an aggressive setting, but on the mild side of aggressive please.

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Old 07-06-2002, 10:25 AM   #2
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Thumbs up Please post your settings

Also, please post all your settings. I just did a search for this forum and the suspensio forum on Alignment and the settings are varied a lot! Here is a common one, any good?

Front Toe L&R = 0
Camber L & R = -1
Rear Toe L & R = 0
Thrust Line = 0

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Old 07-06-2002, 11:48 AM   #3
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I wanted the same kind of alignment you're describing, checked what everyone else had done and did this:

Front Toe: 0
Front Camber: 0.8
Rear Toe: 0.03

The front has has no effect on tire wear, in fact, it helps to even out tire wear if you fairly hard. The slight amount of toe in the rear adds stability, especially a higher speeds. Good luck! A lot of folks have found that the "lifetime alignment" at Firestone tire centers is a good deal, especially if you plan to keep the car a while and if you monkey around with alignment specs fairly often. It allows you to get an alignment every 5000 miles as long as you own the car, for approx. twice the cost of a single alignment.
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Old 07-06-2002, 01:09 PM   #4
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Heather your numbers look goog from what I have learned. But please don't take your car to a Firestone chain! Look in the yellow pages for an alignment specialist. Go to them. They are alot more reliable and honest. Firestone is a place that will case more problems than fix. Trust me I learned the hard way many years ago.
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Old 07-06-2002, 04:38 PM   #5
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Question What about?

What about Les Swchab? They are so darn nice there! They took two nails out of my tires for free! What do you think?
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Old 07-06-2002, 09:06 PM   #6
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current alignment:
fr camber: -1.6
fr toe: 0
rr toe: a little bit in - don't remember the exact #

previous specs:
fr camber: -1.5
fr toe: 0
rr toe: a little toe out - again, don't remember exactly how much

imho, the current alignment is much better for everyday driving. it's more stable at high speeds. still wearing the outsides of the tires quicker than the insides and the fronts faster than the rears - but i think it's because i drive like a monkey.

don't know what it's like where you live, but around here (nj) it's not easy finding a good shop that'll align a modded car to customer specs.
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Old 07-06-2002, 11:11 PM   #7
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What's wrong with giving away meat?

That's a fine, fine marketing ploy. "C'mon in, get some tires, and some free meat!!!

Where is this Les Schwab place, anyway? What kinda meat they got?

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Old 07-07-2002, 09:14 AM   #8
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What's wrong with giving away meat?

That's a fine, fine marketing ploy. "C'mon in, get some tires, and some free meat!!!

Where is this Les Schwab place, anyway? What kinda meat they got?

-Brian
Come on I was just being silly. Did you not see their commercials? With a tire purchase they give you either a dead 1/4 cow or some dead cow plater. Yummy!

I will go to Les Schwab since they are really kind there (eventhough they have some odd meat promo thing) and give them a try. I trust they will do a good job. I will align Chewie first, then Green Bean- if we still have her by then
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Old 07-07-2002, 12:37 PM   #9
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Heather- I've never seen those commercials. Perhaps Les Schwab is a West Coast operation?

They actually give away meat? Is it kosher? If it were, I'd never go anywhere else.
-Brian

Edit: I looked 'em up online. The closest stores to me are Montana or Idaho. No free meat for the East Coast!
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Old 07-07-2002, 03:26 PM   #10
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If they give away free meat they get my business. They are not on the East coast, to bad. I love red meat and white meat, and the new white meat. You can't beat a good NY strip done to medium. I have two in the fridge ready to go on the grille. One for me and one for the wife. My wife loves red meat too. I say meat for everyone!

Heather are you a tree hugger; or just a PETA freak? (I ask in a nice way). Red meat is not bad for you that is just a big lie. I love the USA!
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Old 07-07-2002, 06:38 PM   #11
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I was just joking around.
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Old 07-08-2002, 09:25 AM   #12
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Please post your alignment settings. I am going today to get it done. I need your advice.

Thanks,
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Old 07-08-2002, 10:36 AM   #13
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Here is what I am going to do-

Front camber- 1.4 to 1.5, as far as the stock suspention will allow.
You might not get that far.

Front toe- 0

Rear camber- You can not adjust it with stock suspention.

Rear toe- out 1/16
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Old 07-08-2002, 12:01 PM   #14
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Question metrics?

So please tell me the right metrics. Is it feet, inches, milimeters, or degrees? I am clueless on this one?

Front Toe Left and Right = 0 (this one is easy)
Front Camber Left and Right = -.75 to -1 (is this inches?)
Rear Toe Out Left and Right = 0 to 1/32 (is this inches or degrees)

Or will the alignment shop know exactly what this mean?
Please fill me in. The Subaru Manual says Front Toe and Camber is in MM or inches and the Rear is in Degrees? So confusing!

Thank you,
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Old 07-08-2002, 12:05 PM   #15
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My settings, Warning, for extreme setup only!!

Front camber: -2 degrees
Front caster: +5.5 degrees (alk & upper plates required)
Front toe: I run ~0.25 toe in on the street and ~0.25 toe out at autocrosses. The little toe in on the street helps keep the car from going all over the road.

Rear camber: -1 degree (provided by the Eibach's)
Rear toe: 0

Like I said, my settings are pretty extreme, but I'm happy with the way the car handles, and I really don't get very bad tire wear, except when I'm running the toe out.
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Old 07-08-2002, 12:35 PM   #16
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My street/auto-x settings.
FRONT
Camber, -1.2 degrees
Caster, 3.3 degrees
Toe, -0.10 l and r....total -0.20
REAR
Camber, left..-0.7
right..-1.0
Toe, -0.15 L&R...total -0.30
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Old 07-08-2002, 01:58 PM   #17
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Heather: Camber and Caster are measured in Degrees and toe is measured in inches (at least here in the states).
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Old 07-08-2002, 04:10 PM   #18
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Unhappy Castor?

Now I am really lost! What is Castor? I did re-read the alignment chapter in How to Make your Car Handle (if you are out there Kbrate) but it said you must go by the Castor settings in the Owners Manual- but my Owners Manual has NONE listed!

Also when you guys reply -.15 (or whatever #) toe- Is that Toe Out or Toe In?

My alignment appointment is Wednesday a.m., so I have time to understand this fully. I hope they let me watch!
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Old 07-08-2002, 04:26 PM   #19
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Hi Heather,

The caster in our cars are not adjustable. But there are creative ways of getting more.

Caster results results in dynamic camber (while turning). In laymans terms, the greater you can angle your struts tops backwards the greater the caster. This is an overly simplified explanation.

If you get a chance, take a look at your friends BMW or Large Mercedes, with the tires pointing straight, there is very little negative camber in their wheels, but ask them to turn the wheels all the way in one direction and take a look at how much the tires angle inwards towards the turn.

This is the effect of lots of caster.

Hope this helps.
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Old 07-08-2002, 07:10 PM   #20
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If you get a chance, take a look at your friends BMW or Large Mercedes, with the tires pointing straight, there is very little negative camber in their wheels, but ask them to turn the wheels all the way in one direction and take a look at how much the tires angle inwards towards the turn.
Well, for one I have no friends with BMW's or Mercedes, infact I have no friends at all, except you guys

I just re-read (for the 4th time) the alignment chapter in that book. It is a tough read! And I do understand it better now. Still when you all post about Toe and you say .-15- Is that Toe In or Toe Out? From what I read, I should set both front and rear Toe to 0 and set Camber -.5 to -1 inches. I will leave Caster alone for now...

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Old 07-09-2002, 02:38 PM   #21
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If you leave Caster alone, won't she get lonely? Couldn't help it. Lew
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Old 07-09-2002, 02:53 PM   #22
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If you leave Caster alone, won't she get lonely? Couldn't help it. Lew
Maybe I am slow today, but I don't get it. Fill me in on the joke please! I could use a good laugh! Child is sick and no sleep for 3 nights, etc....
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Quote:
Originally posted by pleiades
My settings, Warning, for extreme setup only!!

Front camber: -2 degrees
Front caster: +5.5 degrees (alk & upper plates required)
Front toe: I run ~0.25 toe in on the street and ~0.25 toe out at autocrosses. The little toe in on the street helps keep the car from going all over the road.

Rear camber: -1 degree (provided by the Eibach's)
Rear toe: 0

Like I said, my settings are pretty extreme, but I'm happy with the way the car handles, and I really don't get very bad tire wear, except when I'm running the toe out.
Front toe will increase turn-in. Rear toe will increase straight line stability.
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Not the best of puns, but I try. You capitalized Caster, llike it was a name.... So leaving her alone she might get lonley...
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Mine was toe out.
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