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Old 01-11-2011, 02:31 AM   #1
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Old 01-11-2011, 03:03 AM   #2
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Old 01-11-2011, 03:48 AM   #3
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Kumho ASX or Continental DSW are cheaper and perform better than those tires ever would. What a rip off at 250 a tire.....

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Old 01-11-2011, 03:48 AM   #4
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Take this as a buying experience. Now you know to check the tires and how they perform before you buy the car. And weigh whether it makes more sense to run two sets of tires on one car or another car with one set of winter tires as OE all the time, even in summer. Just know that your winter will more than likely wear faster in summer.

I have a 2008 Impreza as well and that car honestly is just annoying to drive. I've said this many times here already for the reasons you mentioned (though I didn't have a chance to take it to snow -- being in SoCal -- before I replace all four tires with M+S rated all seasons after one developed a side wall bubble running over a huge chunk of wood on the freeway ... my fault). In addition to that, my front rotors have warped three times now (shaved down three times) since having the car from late 2007. Front pad was replaced by warranty after about two years. All of this were from just driving from point A to point B. Of course, Subaru of American refuses to replace the rotors despite the fact that it's prone to being warped. Since this doesn't appear to be a common problem, I figure it's just a QC issue with the rotor manufacturer and a replacement would more than likely cure the problem. Overall, the base Impreza from 2008 onward is just not a good car.

But I wouldn't say it's an unsafe or dangerous car. Obviously you should only run tires rated M+S in actual ice and snow condition. And that's something you really should have checked when it started snowing. You shouldn't be expecting non M+S rated tires to perform well in ice and snow. Your decision to not check it when it started snowing made the car unsafe the drive. But the car itself, fundamentally, is a safe car. The tires you have currently is not safe for snow. In CA when it actually snows in the mountain, you would legally be required to either have AWD in combination with M+S rated tires in R2 road condition, or for a FWD car, you'd need chains. So AWD is good. Most people have two sets of tires in part of the world that see long winter season. And please understand that not all AWD systems are created equal. I'm not sure about the percentage of power is transferrable, but the Tucson is a AWD on-demand type, not all time AWD. I can't find out what type of center differential is on the Tucson, but the Impreza center diff can allow up to 50-50 split (I believe, or somewhere near that) from the standard 90-10. Apart from the Nissan Juke with an actual mechanical center diff (which would probably yield better AWD performance in terms of overall traction), I'm not aware of other car manufactures making similar sized cars with such robust AWD. So yes, Subaru's AWD is pretty good for what it's costing you. So if you're really going to ditch the Subaru, do it for the Juke.

As for why Subaru put a high performance all season on a base Impreza? It's probably because most testing by media are done in a non-snowing condition. They need to sell cars. But I agree with you that for regions where snow and ice are common, they should have come eqipped with M+S rated tires and given the consumer the choice to buy a new summer set. Not the other way around. But then I don't know of any car manufacturer that does that...

In short, get yourself a set of nice M+S rated tire (Blizzaks are commonly mentioned here) and you'll see how the car is transformed (my personal inference from reading various posts about these winter tires). And the base Impreza is just an annoying car to drive, but it's just as safe (if not more so) than many of its rivals. It's got one of the highest crash test rating, aint it?
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Old 01-11-2011, 04:01 AM   #5
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haha this is a funny thread. sorry i laugh, but ya, they are crap tires.

They have also been standard equipment on MANY (including pretty much all subarus) since the late 90's. This is not new information.

The RE92 is NOT a high performance tire. It is a basic all season. They are marketed as a high performance all season but it really isn't. Have a look around on here. People practically give these tires away in almost new condition. The speed rating is pretty standard for that type of tire. You'd be hard pressed to find a tire that is rated for less than an Q rated tire (still rated for 99mph! That would be something like a studded tire)

You shouldn't be fretting so much. No all season tire is 'good' in the snow. The RE9POO is exceptionally bad but the best all season is still a polished turd in the snow.

Buy yourself a set of these. You will love them in the snow. I'm still regretting getting rid of mine and they are pretty freakin cheap. Way cheaper than spending an extra 2500 for a hyundai....



http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=Altimax+Arcti c&partnum=055QR6AMAXA&vehicleSearch=false&fromComp are1=yes


its unfortunate that you don't like your suby. The 340 bucks spent on snow tires will make your car 'safe'.

Run the RE92's for the summer/fall seasons then when you wear them out, purchase pretty much anything else and it will be better.

You won't get anywhere with subaru. These tires have been used on subarus for over 10 years. They are not going to buy you new ones. Where i live you can typically bargain the purchase price to include snow tires but after the fact, i've never seen anybody get free tires.

Good luck!

EDIT: meantioned above by A5un is the term M+S. This is a general term used to sell tires. There is no actual testing done to prove that a tire is rated for 'M+S' (mud + snow) use. The RE92 should have M+S on it. Pretty much every all season tire does. What you want is the ones with the snowflake logo on it.

And this next bit is totally personal preference. I've run both the general arctic altimax, blizzak ws-60, BFG winter slalom, nokian hakkas, kumho kw19. The blizzak is BY FAR the worst and the most expensive. person preference... just sayin...

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Old 01-11-2011, 04:06 AM   #6
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Buy some new tires....

Is this really that hard?


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Old 01-11-2011, 06:55 AM   #7
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+1, Winter tires for... winter?

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Buy some new tires....

Is this really that hard?


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Old 01-11-2011, 07:23 AM   #8
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Ummmm if safety is so important to you, did you read your owners manual????

Turbo models
Your vehicle is equipped with “summer tires” as original equipment, which are inadequate for driving on slippery roads such as on snow-covered or icy roads. Compared with winter and all-season tires, summer tires give significantly less grip on snowy and icy road surfaces.
Therefore, use of winter tires is strongly recommended when driving with such road conditions.


When you choose to install winter tires on your vehicle, be sure to use the correct tire size and type. You must install four winter tires that are of the same size, construction, brand and load range and you should never mix radial, belted bias or bias tires since this may result in dangerous handling characteristics. When you choose a tire, make sure that there is enough clearance between the tire and vehicle body.
Remember to drive with care at all times regardless of the type of tires on your vehicle.


or if it's a non turbo impreza:

Non-turbo models
Your vehicle is equipped with “all season tires” as original equipment, which are designed to provide an adequate measure of traction, handling and braking performance in year-round driving. In winter, it may be possible to enhance performance through use of tires designed specifically for winter driving conditions.
When you choose to install winter tires on your vehicle, be sure to use the correct tire size and type. You must install four winter tires that are of the same size, construction, brand and load range and you should never mix radial, belted bias or bias tires since this may result in dangerous handling characteristics. When you choose a tire, make sure that there is enough clearance between the tire and vehicle body.
Remember to drive with care at all times regardless of the type of tires on your vehicle.





Remember that All seasons are a compromise tire, they do OK in summer and OK in winter, but they do not do both nearly as well as a dedicated tire. Buy some extra wheels, get some snows, and run summers in the summer. You'll be much safer and much happier.

It doesn't get more clear than that.

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Old 01-11-2011, 07:41 AM   #9
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Jon, he doesn't have a turbo.

RE92s are "all season". Hah.

My experience was that RE92s at *full* tread depth were at the lower end of acceptable in moderate snow. At 75% tread depth, it was pretty well all over.

OP, you live in CO. Expecting to get around on all season *anything* 12 mos of the year (safely, reliably) is naive. Expecting objectivity from a Subaru service manager twice as much.

You need a second set of rims with real snow tires, end of story.
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Old 01-11-2011, 08:15 AM   #11
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Jon, he doesn't have a turbo.

RE92s are "all season". Hah.

My experience was that RE92s at *full* tread depth were at the lower end of acceptable in moderate snow. At 75% tread depth, it was pretty well all over.

OP, you live in CO. Expecting to get around on all season *anything* 12 mos of the year (safely, reliably) is naive. Expecting objectivity from a Subaru service manager twice as much.

You need a second set of rims with real snow tires, end of story.
I realized that, and added the non turbo section.
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Old 01-11-2011, 08:20 AM   #12
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Old 01-11-2011, 08:55 AM   #13
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I called Subaru and asked why they installed a high performance tire that I can drive over 140 MPH and not handle light snow?
I asked why Subaru installed this tires in this area(Denver/lots of snow) and putting safety aside?
I asked Subaru why those tires came in my car? I have the regulat 170 HP, not the WRX or STI.
I asked Subaru that, since their bread in butter (selling point is their AWD) why they installed those tires so my family wouldn't bee able to stop or turn during 1" of snow on the ground?
If Subaru put on tires that handled snow and ice very well (you did admit the roads were icy) then someone in Florida would complain about how lousy the tires were at 100 MPH, and how quickly they wore out.
Subaru does not build cars and then put a "only to be sold in Denver" sticker on them.
Subaru put those tires on your car because the rims would get chewed up without them.
Subaru doesn't know you aren't smart enough to buy the tires you need for winter driving, or that you don't know how to drive in 1" of snow.

Does that answer your questions?
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Old 01-11-2011, 11:27 AM   #14
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Old 01-11-2011, 01:34 PM   #15
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Old 01-11-2011, 01:50 PM   #16
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Old 01-11-2011, 01:55 PM   #17
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Old 01-11-2011, 02:07 PM   #18
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Denver's reporting 4.8" of snow for the season so far? Sounds like ice was a bigger factor than you let on...

Snows aren't all about snow, either. <looks> With temps in the teens, your no-season tires aren't as squishy as snows - sacrifices on all corners (no pun intended).

If your family and sheet metal are important enough, get the insurance provided by a set of good snow tires. Maybe 9 days out of 10 you won't be pounding through six inches of fresh fluffy stuff, but the day it shows up, it'll save your car from becoming an expensive small room with seating for five.
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Old 01-11-2011, 02:39 PM   #20
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Buyers Remorse.

The Conti DWD's are great; however, they are a bit softer.
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Old 01-11-2011, 03:39 PM   #21
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I'll agree that the RE92s aren't the greatest tires, but as an all season tire, they're adequate. I'm not impressed by their handling in snow and ice either.
Whether you decide to stick with your Impreza, or go with another model, I'm a big believer in having a dedicated set of winter tires. Even though you have made it through many winters without winter tires, I urge you to invest a few hundred on a set. Your family will be much safer. If that's not a good enough reason, I don't know what is.
During the last snow storm here in Seattle, we had a lot of ice, even AWDs were sliding around. Guess what? All season tires. They might be fine in snow, but are no match for ice. Just check out the many youtube videos from that storm.



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Old 01-11-2011, 03:57 PM   #23
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The people jsut strolling around in that first video as cars are slidding down the hill cracks me up..

T.G. i live in Houston, little bit of ice on overpasses and the City shuts down..... GOD FORBID if we have a bunch of Houstonians driving aroud in ice/snow... that is a terrifying thought
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all seasons = average in all weather

You have 16" rims I am sure you can get a nice set of winter rubber for less than 400 installed.

FYI: Subaru sells the WRX and STI with High Performance Summer Tires...all year. Those drivers also have to figure out what to do in the winter months.
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I agree with OP about how ****ty the RE92 are and Im a Bridgestone fan. Throw a pair of RE960's on they are much better (At least the RE950 was). Although the 92's are bad I was driving in the snow in Rhode Island a few weeks ago and the AWD made up for the crappy tires. I just turned the Stability control off and let the car behave naturally. I also drive a 2.5I by the way. The tires are just one of the areas where Subaru cut corners IMO
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