Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Wednesday October 1, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Technical > Normally Aspirated with bolt-on Forced Induction Powertrain

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-07-2002, 05:46 PM   #1
HndaTch627
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6551
Join Date: May 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Carol Stream, IL
Vehicle:
'01 GC8 Dinged STM
'09 Concours 14 ABS Black

Question Piston Oil Squirter Install Instructions?

Okay after a few hours of searching the net and this forum i am officially empty handed...was wondering if ANYONE had the plans for installing the oil squirters???

Thanks in advance.

jeremy
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
HndaTch627 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2002, 09:19 PM   #2
8Complex

Moderator
 
Member#: 922
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Schaumburg, IL
Vehicle:
04 FXT
Red

Default

I've got a few pics of decks with squirters in the rails, but no idea whether they are phase I/II, where exactly they are, or what size holes are drilled.
8Complex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2002, 02:09 AM   #3
HndaTch627
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6551
Join Date: May 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Carol Stream, IL
Vehicle:
'01 GC8 Dinged STM
'09 Concours 14 ABS Black

Default

thank's nick...someone HAS to know?? happy where are you when i need you??

jeremy
HndaTch627 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2002, 09:00 AM   #4
omahasubaru
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 1594
Join Date: Jun 2000
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Gretna, NE
Vehicle:
1995 WRX
2002 Legacy

Default

Well... I know my EJ22 Turbo engine is equipped with them. I have yet to start the tear down process to replace a bunch of gaskets and check a few things, but if you want I can try and take some pictures of the set-up or you can drive out here and take a gander at it.

Thanks - Jon
omahasubaru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2002, 01:44 PM   #5
HndaTch627
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6551
Join Date: May 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Carol Stream, IL
Vehicle:
'01 GC8 Dinged STM
'09 Concours 14 ABS Black

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by omahasubaru
Well... I know my EJ22 Turbo engine is equipped with them. I have yet to start the tear down process to replace a bunch of gaskets and check a few things, but if you want I can try and take some pictures of the set-up or you can drive out here and take a gander at it.

Thanks - Jon
thanks for the offer jon...according to another sourse it looks as if only Phasr 1 engines are compatible with the oil squirters, but we'll have to wait and see.

Jeremy
HndaTch627 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2002, 07:08 PM   #6
stimpy
Homicidal Maniac
Moderator
 
Member#: 1612
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Austin, TX
Vehicle:
2008 STI

Default

I believe Phase I had the locations for them but no squirters. Phase II can be added (Cobb does it?). Imprezer had a thread on this a couple months ago...

-Jon
www.nothingserious.net
stimpy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2002, 02:12 AM   #7
HndaTch627
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6551
Join Date: May 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Carol Stream, IL
Vehicle:
'01 GC8 Dinged STM
'09 Concours 14 ABS Black

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by stimpy
I believe Phase I had the locations for them but no squirters. Phase II can be added (Cobb does it?). Imprezer had a thread on this a couple months ago...

-Jon
www.nothingserious.net
any idea where that thread lies?? i know cobb does it...but i prefer to do my own block work and with the help of more local machine shops.

Jeremy
HndaTch627 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2002, 12:53 PM   #8
stimpy
Homicidal Maniac
Moderator
 
Member#: 1612
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Austin, TX
Vehicle:
2008 STI

Default

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&highlight=oil

There's the thread. Unfortunately, there isn't much useful information in it. Alex never really goes into much detail when he does cool stuff...

-Jon
www.nothingserious.net
stimpy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2002, 01:39 PM   #9
HndaTch627
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6551
Join Date: May 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Carol Stream, IL
Vehicle:
'01 GC8 Dinged STM
'09 Concours 14 ABS Black

Default

thanks for the link, it really doesn't say anything, too bad he never took pictures.

jeremy
HndaTch627 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2002, 09:42 PM   #10
seven881
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 8828
Join Date: Jul 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: K-Town
Vehicle:
01 BRP 2.2T Hybrid
10 VW Grocery Getter

Default

This may help. It's a picture from a EJ22T block though.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg ej22tblock.jpg (26.8 KB, 233 views)
seven881 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2002, 09:50 PM   #11
Eric SS
Sooby Guru
 
Member#: 1914
Join Date: Jul 2000
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: 2013 335i, 2011 G37 coupe
Vehicle:
2000 2.5RS w/ EJ22T
swap and N20. gone. : (

Default

It basically looks like a couple small drilled holes. Be careful though. You don;t want them to be to big and not have enough oil for the bearings.

Eric
Eric SS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2002, 10:17 PM   #12
8Complex

Moderator
 
Member#: 922
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Schaumburg, IL
Vehicle:
04 FXT
Red

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Imprezinator
It basically looks like a couple small drilled holes. Be careful though. You don;t want them to be to big and not have enough oil for the bearings.
That is what I think every time I see a picture of them. Others were under the understanding that there was an actual fitting in there, but personally, I don't see why a small (1-1.5mm) hole can't be drilled and be just as effective.
8Complex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2002, 10:54 PM   #13
Eric SS
Sooby Guru
 
Member#: 1914
Join Date: Jul 2000
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: 2013 335i, 2011 G37 coupe
Vehicle:
2000 2.5RS w/ EJ22T
swap and N20. gone. : (

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by 8Complex


That is what I think every time I see a picture of them. Others were under the understanding that there was an actual fitting in there, but personally, I don't see why a small (1-1.5mm) hole can't be drilled and be just as effective.
If I did that, I would definetly not even attempt to start the car without an oil pressure gauge hooked up to make sure the bearings are getting oiled.

Eric
Eric SS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2002, 02:43 AM   #14
HndaTch627
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6551
Join Date: May 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Carol Stream, IL
Vehicle:
'01 GC8 Dinged STM
'09 Concours 14 ABS Black

Default

well it looks to me like all it is would be a 1mm hole in the main cap...but i'd be the first to try it, hmm...looks like it's time for a lil research, see which oil pump is the one to use

jeremy
HndaTch627 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2002, 10:52 AM   #15
omahasubaru
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 1594
Join Date: Jun 2000
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Gretna, NE
Vehicle:
1995 WRX
2002 Legacy

Default

I can't help completely, but I will say that the oil pump on my EJ22T is the same unit as I put on my EJ22 N/A engine. I think almost all the pumps on the EJ engines are the same.. only differences in oil pressure are due to where you read it from and additional items that oil is feed to turbo.

I could be way off, but this is my take on the situation.
omahasubaru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2002, 01:00 PM   #16
HndaTch627
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6551
Join Date: May 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Carol Stream, IL
Vehicle:
'01 GC8 Dinged STM
'09 Concours 14 ABS Black

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by omahasubaru
I can't help completely, but I will say that the oil pump on my EJ22T is the same unit as I put on my EJ22 N/A engine. I think almost all the pumps on the EJ engines are the same.. only differences in oil pressure are due to where you read it from and additional items that oil is feed to turbo.

I could be way off, but this is my take on the situation.
well that's that'sa good bit of info, i was also thinking that the pressure regulating spring may be heavier in the turbo motors. But i could be wrong, i'll do more research shortly.

jeremy
HndaTch627 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2002, 11:55 PM   #17
smacksube
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 4067
Join Date: Feb 2001
Vehicle:
01 2.5 rs
silver

Default

ok, if you attain a higher oil pressure than the stock bottom end was built for could result in problem wouldn't you think? Wouldn't it be smarter when adding the oil squirters to get the bearing journals honed just a tiny bit to accomodate for the extra pressure and allow for more oil? Or just get aftermarket bearing? Then if you got to use a looser tolerance then the engine break in period should happen a bit sooner. Of course, all this is just 'textbook' in my head since I have no first hand experience to date.
smacksube is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2002, 01:08 AM   #18
Eric SS
Sooby Guru
 
Member#: 1914
Join Date: Jul 2000
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: 2013 335i, 2011 G37 coupe
Vehicle:
2000 2.5RS w/ EJ22T
swap and N20. gone. : (

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by smacksube
ok, if you attain a higher oil pressure than the stock bottom end was built for could result in problem wouldn't you think? Wouldn't it be smarter when adding the oil squirters to get the bearing journals honed just a tiny bit to accomodate for the extra pressure and allow for more oil? Or just get aftermarket bearing? Then if you got to use a looser tolerance then the engine break in period should happen a bit sooner. Of course, all this is just 'textbook' in my head since I have no first hand experience to date.
I think you have it reversed. If you put in squirters your pressure will drop, not raise. That's what I'm afraid of. But it appears that someone has put a pressure gauge on and it read fine so I think I'm ok.

Eric
Eric SS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2002, 01:23 AM   #19
LVSUBARU
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 4520
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: LAS VEGAS
Vehicle:
93 STi V.4 RA
www.flat4lv.com

Default

Is it worth all the trouble? Do oil squirters make that big of a differance?
LVSUBARU is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2002, 02:22 AM   #20
HndaTch627
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6551
Join Date: May 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Carol Stream, IL
Vehicle:
'01 GC8 Dinged STM
'09 Concours 14 ABS Black

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by LVSUBARU
Is it worth all the trouble? Do oil squirters make that big of a differance?
yes....want to talk about a difference in piston temperatures...it does make a huge difference.

jeremy
HndaTch627 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2002, 11:39 AM   #21
SubaSonic
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 11365
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Phoenix AZ
Vehicle:
02 N/A, A/T Wagon
Sedona Red Pearl

Default Piston ceramic coating

Woulden't ceramic coating the piston top be easier and safer?
SubaSonic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2002, 12:32 PM   #22
HndaTch627
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6551
Join Date: May 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Carol Stream, IL
Vehicle:
'01 GC8 Dinged STM
'09 Concours 14 ABS Black

Default Re: Piston ceramic coating

Quote:
Originally posted by SubaSonic
Woulden't ceramic coating the piston top be easier and safer?
easier yes, safer no, it's not as reliable as the squirters...as long as you have oil the squiters work. Cermaic coating allows the heat not to be absorbed but does nothing to control piston temperature.

jeremy
HndaTch627 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2002, 01:59 PM   #23
8Complex

Moderator
 
Member#: 922
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Schaumburg, IL
Vehicle:
04 FXT
Red

Default

I was curious... how far does the squirters squirt oil up the cylinders? Does it hit the backside of the pistons at TDC? Does it cause any parasitic drag to occour? I'm guessing if it does, it will make it up in lower cylinder temps, though.
8Complex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2002, 02:09 PM   #24
Eric SS
Sooby Guru
 
Member#: 1914
Join Date: Jul 2000
Chapter/Region: SWIC
Location: 2013 335i, 2011 G37 coupe
Vehicle:
2000 2.5RS w/ EJ22T
swap and N20. gone. : (

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by 8Complex
I was curious... how far does the squirters squirt oil up the cylinders? Does it hit the backside of the pistons at TDC? Does it cause any parasitic drag to occour? I'm guessing if it does, it will make it up in lower cylinder temps, though.
I would think that it supplies a constant stream of oil to the bottom side of the piston because oil pressure pretty much remains a constant at a given rpm. it's like a spicket. you get a certain amount of pressure and water just keeps coming ouot.

I can't imagine it causing any parasitic drag.

Eric
Eric SS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2002, 02:58 PM   #25
HndaTch627
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6551
Join Date: May 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Carol Stream, IL
Vehicle:
'01 GC8 Dinged STM
'09 Concours 14 ABS Black

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Imprezinator


I would think that it supplies a constant stream of oil to the bottom side of the piston because oil pressure pretty much remains a constant at a given rpm. it's like a spicket. you get a certain amount of pressure and water just keeps coming ouot.

I can't imagine it causing any parasitic drag.

Eric
exactly
HndaTch627 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Adding piston Oil Squirters? 93L-RS Built Motor Discussion 11 06-22-2006 06:33 AM
URGENT: Piston Oil Squirters. ImprezaRSX Private 'Wanted' Classifieds 0 09-18-2005 08:21 PM
Are piston oil squirters neccessary ? bugeyes Factory 2.0L Turbo Powertrain 1 02-25-2005 11:15 AM
PISTON (oil) Squirters IN YOUR MOUTH Factory 2.0L Turbo Powertrain 0 08-06-2002 05:05 PM
Piston oil squirter info? 8Complex Normally Aspirated with bolt-on Forced Induction Powertrain 24 01-21-2002 07:27 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:43 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.