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Old 07-10-2002, 02:41 PM   #101
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wow. i can't believe this is STILL going on. anyway, this is post 100 in here


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Old 07-10-2002, 03:15 PM   #102
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The VR6 engine is a really cool motor. I like it... they are very versatile and can be made very fast.

See I live in Maryland... I know of quite a few FAST VWs around here. Ever here of EIP? How about Eastside Motorsports? What about Dave Schuster? You VW guys know who I am talking about... they're right in my back yard... Sooo, I have some interesting insight to what a fast VR6 is all about.

For those who dont know, the VR6 was originally intended for duty as a turbo diesel in Europe. As one may no, turbo-diesels are built to handle ALOT of boost... a friend of mine runs well over 20psi on his VR6close to 25 I believe, and it is in fact DAILY DRIVEN and has a full interior, and it does run 11s.

Also out of Schusters shop, was the fastest ALL MOTOR Jetta (in the world the owner says) VR6, it ran mid to high 12s. Since, the owner has transplanted everything into a Golf and I believe hes solid in the mid to low 12s. Versatility.... the motor is definitely that.

And for those who scoff at this much power in FWD form.... Schuster has a solution for ya... an AWD conversion straight from Germany! I believe he uses the Haldex system found in the 4Motion Golf over there... (he also can get (and has) the 24v VR6 rated at 208? stock)

With that said... I still would rather have my WRX and its little 2.0 flat four... why? Preference. I prefer my Subaru over any VW. Nothing wrong with them... I just like the WRX better.

I know what can done with both as I also have TurboXS in my backyard... both have huge potential... and guess what, I still chose my Subie.

Sooo.... whats the moral of the story? TO EACH HIS OWN!!!!

BTW- the VR6 when fitted with an exhaust (Neuspeed perferably) has thee baddest exhaust note this side of Formula One!!!

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Old 07-10-2002, 03:17 PM   #103
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ItsukiVR6 You said

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just as there are slower wrx... sometimes it driver... and sometimes it's just the engine not every motor is as strong as the next.
I guess you ment not all car s are the same right?


then you say

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from my car but since i have the same setup as 3 of my friends i don't see any difference..
the difference is: IT'S A DIFFERENT CAR ... ASS...


hehe!!! I just had to, my second post ever and look at me!



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Old 07-10-2002, 03:30 PM   #104
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personally when i race the jetta i am in full street trim save for the back seats and spare, and when i open the dump(only raced with the dump open twice so far. mike
Nice trap speed you have in that Jetta. That is the one that ran a 14.4 in right?
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Old 07-10-2002, 05:37 PM   #105
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All I have to say is DAMN!, After reading this thread, at first I was getting pissed, then found it funny. Before I say anything, I want to say that I think WRX's are awesome, those are the peeps I hang out with up here. Almost everyone up here are open-minded, when I hit a new best time in my Dub, everyone gives me props. Mainly because I am the only Jetta 1.8T that has done any modding up here (At least the only one that I know of). And that is one of the main reasons that I bought the VW over the Subbie, ohhh yeh and it was about 5grand less after all was said and done.

Anyways, I just want to state some performace Facts on the VW 1.8T (Dont know to much on the Vr6). But to V6TurboTA if your car was running you said 13.5? And your buddies 1.8T put thousands and thousands of mods into his car, his car would be running faster then a 13.5 What all has he done to it? With a Chip, TB Exhaust (Or Downpipe with a Dump), and Intake, alot of people are running high 13's in the 1.8T (But you have to be a really good driver, that is the thing with the 1.8T after the initail bolt ons are done, the car has appx 250-260 ftlbs/tq. Now that is hard as crap to keep all that power to the ground in a FWD, right now I cant do it, my best is a 14.5 with a 2.4 60' lol. For powermods I have done TB Exhaust, Chip, Intake, DV, N75, and that is about it. But if your buddy did thousands and thousands of mods, lets see. ATP or APR Stage 3? You mentiond LSD right? (The LSD's for our cars do jack for us in first gear), Drag Radials? N2O? Right there I just listed a 12 second car. So I mean thousands and thousands of mods has me guessing at what excatlly does that entail? Because for the Chip, TB, and Intake it is $1500. (Can be less or more depending on the Chip and Exhaust, all our intakes are about the same price). So please enlighten me

I do want to say dollar for dollar the WRX will almost always smoke a 1.8T, **** 2 of my buddies this last time out at the track both ran 13.6's, and I think that is only with a DP/UP MBC, and Computer (Could be wrong about the Computer). Pretty sure one of them was a Vishinu Stage 0.

My goal is to hit 13's, then beat a WRX at the Drag Strip, I could have done it a few weeks ago, when there was a WRX running low 15's Remember Driver is the most important factor of the car. And I will be the first to admit I am a ****ty driver (Well Launcher).
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Old 07-10-2002, 06:33 PM   #106
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I guess you ment not all car s are the same right?


then you say



the difference is: IT'S A DIFFERENT CAR ... ASS...


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Your right according to that statement i should be running fastest out of all the cars mentioned cause while all-motor i went 13.9 were as the best of the other 3 went was 14.3 ... so according to that i would be .4 quick... but the addition of a turbo kit does not affect the strenghth of the motor from the factory...

If we were talkin all-motor yes i would agree...
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Old 07-10-2002, 06:37 PM   #107
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And i drive my car 15,000 miles a year.. i have 2 race seats and nothing else in my car ... so does that mean it's not my daily driver???

As for the street track thing, there are 2 types of races stoplight - 60-70 and highway... any awd will win a stoplight race weather it's a 400whp or 150whp.. against fwd.. but on the highway wave bye bye to the high hp car....
You never race a true 1/4 mile on the highway ... and 90% of the time the person ahead will throw the hazards once the other person starts gaining thats street racing and thats why awd cars rule the streets.

But i will say this the GTI that went 12.0 @ 129 on street tires raced and AWD 1G DSM, that runs 11.5 @ 125 on the street, and the GTI won 3 straight races... and there are many witnesses...This is also a rare rare case.. but never say something is impossible

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Old 07-10-2002, 06:49 PM   #108
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to avoid any flaming...i just want to say that the wrx is an awesome and neat car...i signed onto this site to see what u guys make of these subies....i'm postin to say that however much i may love a vr6...it is nothin to a rex stock for stock or for mod for mod...a price difference there is of the lot but i know of no one that is goin to caugh up the 4-6grand for a decent turbo job (eastside)....there is no comparison!!!!

just my 2cents..not that it matters
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Old 07-10-2002, 07:16 PM   #109
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Anyways, I just want to state some performace Facts on the VW 1.8T (Dont know to much on the Vr6). But to V6TurboTA if your car was running you said 13.5? And your buddies 1.8T put thousands and thousands of mods into his car, his car would be running faster then a 13.5 What all has he done to it? With a Chip, TB Exhaust (Or Downpipe with a Dump), and Intake, alot of people are running high 13's in the 1.8T (But you have to be a really good driver, that is the thing with the 1.8T after the initail bolt ons are done, the car has appx 250-260 ftlbs/tq. Now that is hard as crap to keep all that power to the ground in a FWD, right now I cant do it, my best is a 14.5 with a 2.4 60' lol. For powermods I have done TB Exhaust, Chip, Intake, DV, N75, and that is about it. But if your buddy did thousands and thousands of mods, lets see. ATP or APR Stage 3? You mentiond LSD right? (The LSD's for our cars do jack for us in first gear), Drag Radials? N2O? Right there I just listed a 12 second car. So I mean thousands and thousands of mods has me guessing at what excatlly does that entail? Because for the Chip, TB, and Intake it is $1500. (Can be less or more depending on the Chip and Exhaust, all our intakes are about the same price). So please enlighten me
He deffinatly spent well over a thousand dollars and he is running high 13's with a higher mph that me.

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With a Chip, TB Exhaust (Or Downpipe with a Dump), and Intake, alot of people are running high 13's in the 1.8T
He has those mods, and I'm sure a few other things i forgot.

I dont know about you but I know that a Turbo Back for a WRX starts right around $1000. You tell me that a chip, downpipe, and intake dont cost over $1000 and guess what? I'm wrong again. And If you want to shoot for the lowest priced products I'm sure you will enjoy the low performance that comes with them.

Either way he is running high 13's at 98-100mph. He started in the upper 14's as I did. After a bunch of time and a bunch of $$ he got into the 13's. I did it with the first 2 mods I did to my car. From 14.8@92 first pass in the car, to 13.5@97 with a $80 used mbc and a $35 air filter.

His car is deffinatly faster, not as quick tho. He is a good friend of mine. We have had MANY a good night racing together. You hear that? Together... yea imagine that... We actually hang out, compare times, give eachother advice, congratulate eachother when we do good. When I go to the track I dont go there to win. I go because I love racing. He is there for the same thing. We might joke about whos car is faster, but who cares? I know Neither of us do. Too bad all VW owners werent as cool

I dont know where this comes from, but if its directed at me, its totally out of line. If not, disregaurd.

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You mentiond LSD right? (The LSD's for our cars do jack for us in first gear), Drag Radials? N2O?
I never mentioned any of the above, but how in gods green earth does an LSD do nothing in first gear for a FWD car?

My point is and was that mod for mod the car does not compete with the WRX. That is my opinion. If you do not accept this and have PROOF to back up your claim bring it forth. If not, please return to the swamp.

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Old 07-10-2002, 07:34 PM   #110
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man... ItsukiVR6 just wont give up.... I think he's approaching the point of complete insanity....

YOU'RE IN A SUBARU IMPREZA FORUM.... WANTING RESPECT FROM THE IMPREZA FANS, WHEN YOU DRIVE A VR6... WHAT DID YOU EXPECT???? I THINK THIS THREAD WAS BOUND FOR ENDLESS ARGUEMENT THE SECOND YOU STARTED THIS STUPID THING....... GIVE IT UP!!!!!

Maybe you can impress some guys in Clubsi......

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Old 07-10-2002, 07:38 PM   #111
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Well you said thousands and thousands in mods, and now it is a well over a $1000? Hmmmm. Anyways. Chip is $500.00 (Or you can go with UPsolute, which is a very good chip) for $325, Turbo back you can get for $800.00, and then a Intake is about $200.00. So what all has he done?

And what kind of proof do you want? Do you want me to bring some Nut-Butter over and jam it down your throat? Or state the same facts that I already have? I know what a WRX can do, but it seems like most people on here have no idea what VW's can do (Even more so the 1.8T).

I do have a question tho, how much HP can the US WRX Handle on stock internals? And stock Tranny?, 1.8T is 450hp, on all stock internals and tranny, well clutch wont hold up worth a crap. Just like yalls week point is the "Glass-Tranny" ours is the "****ty-Clutch". Vr6's have much better clutches tho, our stage one kit is actully a Vr6 clutch, lol.

And yes based on many people on the Vortex (I will get to that in a minute) with the 1.8T and Quaife or Peliquin LSD, they said the LSD didnt do anything for them on the drag strip. Maybe the design of the LSD? Or the Tranny Itself? I have no idea. They did say in Auto-X it is awesome.

And about the Vortex, yes it is full of idiots and trolls, but what car forum isnt? And if you ever want some real information in the Vortex, stay out of the Car Forums and go to the Engine Forums (I think they call them Technical), many people there with brains. And belive it or not, no trolls
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Old 07-10-2002, 07:48 PM   #112
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Hey Tusin, I think I hear your mom calling....

So why don't we stop arguing about what car is better, or better for more horsepower... Go find some 14 year olds to impress, cause it's not working here....
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Old 07-10-2002, 08:17 PM   #113
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VW's are nice cars. A friend of mine as pristine VR6 with a 100-shot that is rarely used. He has an excellent set of coilovers on it, bars, etc. It's fast and sounds good.

It's also a turd around a road course, horrendous in any wind at all, and would never be what I call a driver's car. It just doesn't convey that to you when you drive it. If you have only driven a bone stock wrx, you haven't driven a wrx, frankly. Just as he told me the same thing about the VR6. The problem is, even when stock, the wrx feels far better than his modified VR6. It feels lighter, it feels faster, and frankly conveys the attitude to you of 'haul ass, I can do this, and do it right'. It's in the steering feel, the feedback of the shifter, even the seats.

Lots of cars will speak to you. This is one of them. The VR6 golf/jetta just doesn't. I see one, and I see a 31 year old gen x bald guy with hornrims, a tattoo on his knee and a bike rack driving 'aggressively' to barnes and noble. I see a wrx, and I see a car that looks like it was designed to put up a challenge to something, not transport latte's.
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Old 07-10-2002, 08:45 PM   #114
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To each there own.

WRXGuyInTulsa, yeh that is original

I wasnt trying to say that the 1.8T can hold 450HP to try to impress somone, I was adding that to my question, which was a question I actully want to know the outcome of. By your responce I offended you somhow. All I am trying to do, is spread a little knowledge about the Dubs, so next time you see a VW 1.8T (Remember I dont really know jack about Vr6's) you will give it some respect, and not just think "My car is so much faster then that POS". But then again, repect givin can also be based on the driver driving.

For instance, this last weekend, I see a brand newMk4 Jetta 1.8T 02 (the 180HP stock version). On the strip (I have only seen one other 1.8T on the "strip" and he was from out of state and was bone stock 150hp 1.8T Jetta, and that was last summer). Anways, this guy was from in town, so I catch up to him, and the passenger looks over, and eyes get all big, the driver gets on it, and I follow suit, I blow the piss out of him (Which I know I would), I try slow down to try to get him to pull over and BS for a little bit and see if he has anyplans for his car and that I could help him out with that. Instead he does not pay any attention to me what so ever. Just keeps looking forward. I am waving at him, honking my horn, (Remember this is a big thing to me because so far I am the only one And he just pulls off on another road and keep going.

Dont really know the relavence (Or even how to spell relavnce) for that matter. But I think yall would get the idea.
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Old 07-10-2002, 11:30 PM   #115
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man... ItsukiVR6 just wont give up.... I think he's approaching the point of complete insanity....

YOU'RE IN A SUBARU IMPREZA FORUM.... WANTING RESPECT FROM THE IMPREZA FANS, WHEN YOU DRIVE A VR6... WHAT DID YOU EXPECT???? I THINK THIS THREAD WAS BOUND FOR ENDLESS ARGUEMENT THE SECOND YOU STARTED THIS STUPID THING....... GIVE IT UP!!!!!

Maybe you can impress some guys in Clubsi......

Oh yeah, I almost forgot....

I STILL own you....

And #1 it never was about getting respect for the VR6, as a ONE.. but in general you should respect other cars/motors however some of the ignorant ones including your self desided to turn it into a vr6 vs wrx discussion... i merely stated the facts...and again.. OBVIOUSLY, the facts hurt and hit a saucy part of your wrx ego and got all defensive.

Now your most ignorant statement, This is a Imprezza forum what do you expect to get respect if you drive a vr6...
Well how about you go to vortex... the "VW Forum" and look at the thread wolfsburg started about him running his new best 14.4 and yet every reply was about how awsome Al's car was...and that the wrx is a great car... I guess Us VW owners are more mature/open minded.. You don't see anyone bashing or saying anything negative about that car.
So go back to your little WRX shell... and go brag about how great it is... Then wonder why you get no repsect for an awsome car that should deserve respect...

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Old 07-11-2002, 12:28 AM   #116
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did he just call someone "saucy"?
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Old 07-11-2002, 01:16 AM   #117
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Well you said thousands and thousands in mods, and now it is a well over a $1000? Hmmmm. Anyways. Chip is $500.00 (Or you can go with UPsolute, which is a very good chip) for $325, Turbo back you can get for $800.00, and then a Intake is about $200.00. So what all has he done?

And what kind of proof do you want? Do you want me to bring some Nut-Butter over and jam it down your throat? Or state the same facts that I already have? I know what a WRX can do, but it seems like most people on here have no idea what VW's can do (Even more so the 1.8T).
Well I just got home from the track. I met up with my friend with the 1.8t.
Unfortunatly I was wrong

He spent over $2k (performance mods only) and has run a best of 14.1 @99.5mph. Tonight he had a new set of 18" rims on the car and it was off 4mph, in very good conditions.

As for your questions about max power, stock block? 375hp at the wheels 1 year after the car was introduced to the market isnt too bad in my book.

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Old 07-11-2002, 01:25 AM   #118
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Take a look at the first post.

From my point of view its saying that people are rediculous for comparing the vr6 and the WRX. Then begin to explain how great the vr6 is.

Then he begins insulting one person after the other.

I didnt even know what were talking about anymore, but I know I'll still defend myself. And while were on that subject I'd like to get one thing straight. I am not ignorant, I'm a jackass.

Thank you, that is all for now.

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Ok..I can say a few things now.

1. This thread has suck
2. I concur with v6
3. Why are you still fighting about this cause now you all look like asses
4. Ahh yes v6 is a jackass! Ingnorant? No. He does talk alot though
5. the VW is way sexier then the WRX

please drive through
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Old 07-11-2002, 03:13 AM   #120
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(stands) Hi my names Lou, (all HI LOU) I drive a 2.5Rs and my cars slow. (clapping) (sits down)


I went out to buy a Jetta VR6 when I went looking for a new car, the guy at hte dealership wouldnt let me test drive it because someone put a down payment on it. He told me to come back in a week and see if it was still there, I informed him I was going to buy a car that day and proceeded to the used subaru dealership. Test beat, I mean drove, a 2.5RS and it never went back to the dealership. My car looks different, is quick, and handles better than anything else I have driven or any of my friends have had... and I can go play in the mud with it if I want to! what more do I need?

Ive never been partial to any particular make of cars (you'd never guess bases on my license plate lol) As a few people have already said everyone has different tastes. I agree that a lot of subaru owners might be a little set in their ways and not so open minded but every club / make has those people. Who cares... if we dont like your post we can just not read it or reply... if you dont like ours or us then dont read ours or reply.

Nice seeing some of you up the track tonight.
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This thread has much suck.

I am a motormouthed jackass.

VW's have sexy.

Film @ 11

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This thread has much suck.

I am a motormouthed jackass.

VW's have sexy.

Film @ 11

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Sweet he got something right for once.

v6 and Angus are both my bitches.

oh and for the record I don't care how much money you spent how fast other people are going or what you have done...no matter what you drive you are only as fast as you can drive your car.
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grrr that reminded me about something, i just checked and yes i taped over the local high school carwash action with some of tonights drag racing. that has major suck!
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Maybe this will make up for it?

http://wickedweasel.com/

Boioioioing

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grrr that reminded me about something, i just checked and yes i taped over the local high school carwash action with some of tonights drag racing. that has major suck!
It's good that Cameron has a thing for video taping the drags.
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