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Old 07-08-2002, 10:04 PM   #1
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Angry Are you kidding me?

I was just reading this news article about our lovely president.
In the area of business and the environment, Bush has proposed ending the Superfund cleanup tax, which would save money for oil and chemical companies and shift the burden to taxpayers. The administration has relaxed clean-air enforcement rules governing old coal-fired power plants, saving the utility and refinery industries from adding costly antipollution equipment. Bush’s Environmental Protection Agency has proposed rules to let mining companies dump dirt and rock waste from mountaintop coal mining into rivers and streams.

I mean are you serious???? It seems like, to me at least, that Bush is just planning on doing away with the enviroment altogether. I don't know about you folks but i sure like breathing clean air and drinking clean water.
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Old 07-08-2002, 10:07 PM   #2
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you really get the inside track when you have fam up in the goves office there boy. good heads up though,, damn texans
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Old 07-08-2002, 10:08 PM   #3
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I was just reading this news article about our lovely president.
In the area of business and the environment, Bush has proposed ending the Superfund cleanup tax, which would save money for oil and chemical companies and shift the burden to taxpayers. The administration has relaxed clean-air enforcement rules governing old coal-fired power plants, saving the utility and refinery industries from adding costly antipollution equipment. Bush’s Environmental Protection Agency has proposed rules to let mining companies dump dirt and rock waste from mountaintop coal mining into rivers and streams.

I mean are you serious???? It seems like, to me at least, that Bush is just planning on doing away with the enviroment altogether. I don't know about you folks but i sure like breathing clean air and drinking clean water.
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Does Bush not own Oil companies?
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Old 07-08-2002, 10:16 PM   #4
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good call KC,,,, nicely done!!
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Old 07-08-2002, 10:18 PM   #5
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This is true, Bush does own a few companies here and there.
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Old 07-08-2002, 10:26 PM   #6
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I thought one of the major objectives of the Bush Team was to open up all potential Oil Reserves in Alaska. By doing this and 'relaxing' some of the more burdensome environmental restrictions many of the Texas based Oil companies stand to become rather wealthy.
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Old 07-08-2002, 10:46 PM   #7
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First of all - can you name the "news source" of the report you quoted? As you know, most news people are politically liberal/left, and I think the tone of that report highly suggests it's not a "neutral" piece.

Let me just say this, a lot of past environmental policies are catered to the left. What I mean is that many are anti-development, anti-property rights rules which have little facts to support they are good for the environment. Things are not as simple as they seem.

And BTW, why don't you want a president that's been in the oil business? I guess you prefer some lawyers or career politicians that have contributed nothing all their lives to the prosperity of this country?

Anyways, I hate discussing politics in this forum, so I'll stop here. Just wanna some counter-argument.

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Old 07-08-2002, 11:00 PM   #8
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I'm sorry, but I have a hard time listening to the man- cmon for gods sake- he looks like a chimp

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Old 07-09-2002, 01:56 AM   #9
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Ya, a chimp with the power to do as he pleases. The general public is so afraid of more terrorist attacks that they are willing to give up personal freedoms, change their former opinions and political views since he's done such a "good job"
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He was shut down, thank god! For trying to pass a bill to drill into an Alaskan refuge for reserve oil. He made it sound like it would solve our oil crisis. "14 Billion Gallons of Petroleum!!" he said to make it sound great! 14 Billion Gallons at the current rate we use fuel, would last no more then a month, even conserved. The damage to this ecosystem, irreversable. The damage to the Earth, unbelieveable. This part of the earth, including the Antartic circle is the primary source for the creation of atmospheric gases that keep UV rays out, keep the temperature regulated, keep the polar ice caps from melting and drowning us (A far stretch, but so is crashing 2 jets into the world trade center)


So Ray, you want a country to be run by the very same people who have bought up every patent for Fuel Cell Research, Efficient Internal Combustion Engines, Hybrids, etc. I have an article from a 1958 issue of "Popular Science" on an engine created to get an average of 70 mpg on regualt gasoline, where did this engine go to? Oh yes, the Exxon corporation bought this patent and that was the last you'll ever hear about it. You can argue that the lead in gas made it more efficient for combustion, yes, you will be correct, but by the same token, the engine in the 1950's and 1960's would only average 20mpg on those wonderful American V8's.

I do not want someone running the country who has a vice president who set up companies in the middle east which supported Iraq while we were fighting them in the "Gulf War" for personal and financial gain. He supported them in order to further control the price of petroleum and power over the fuel dependent American Public.

Also, when attacks on our nation occurred, the vice president mysteriously disappeared, later found to have set up a shadow government, without the permission of the President himself.

I do not want the country run by a bunch of right wing bible-*uckers. They seem to forget about the separation of church and state and pass moral judgement on issues in order to further their own politcal careers (Drugs, Abortion, Immigration)

I'm done for now, issues like this make me far too angry, not because of what will happen, but because no one will do anything to stop it.
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Old 07-09-2002, 09:33 AM   #10
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All I was trying to do here is to point out that even in New England, there are people who are politically conservative, like me.

I know I will not win any political argument here, and I probably will not win anybody over.

But don't need to get angry. Just note that there are approximately half of the nation that has a little different idea of what this wonderful nation should proceed.

I don't use profanity when talking politics, and I am just hoping I don't need to get offensive comments often when our President's name came up.

Wow, you guys are incredible. Please calm down before you blow a blood vessel. And BTW, the way this country is run compared to others in the world, a President can only move the policies at a very slow rate, Left or Right.



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Old 07-09-2002, 10:59 AM   #11
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Ya, a chimp with the power to do as he pleases.
Clinton/AlGore was better? I think not..

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Old 07-09-2002, 11:14 AM   #12
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I think I'm the only Republican in New England, I swear.

Either way, one person cannot change everything as you all make it sound. There is congress and the House, which things have to also make it through. The only thing the President can do without anyone elses interference, is declare war.
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Old 07-09-2002, 11:37 AM   #13
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Screw you all.

I voted for Harry Brown.

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Old 07-09-2002, 11:41 AM   #14
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I wouldnt vote for any of those ass clowns, that's why I dont. The system is clearly broken. It needs a bigger fix than a new president or a few new senators. What that fix is I dont know yet.
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Old 07-09-2002, 11:44 AM   #15
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I wouldnt vote for any of those ass clowns, that's why I dont. The system is clearly broken. It needs a bigger fix than a new president or a few new senators. What that fix is I dont know yet.
A dictator would be a good start. The p[roblem with dictators is that they have gotten a bad rep lately because most of them have been pretty ruthless and power hungry.

A dictator with the country's best intrests at heart, a real benefactor, and a selfless person would be great. He has to have absolute, un-vetoable power though, for maybe 5 or 6 years.
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Old 07-09-2002, 11:59 AM   #16
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I said this sometime back in '84. Lee Iacoca for President. (Dictator)??
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Old 07-09-2002, 12:04 PM   #17
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I said this sometime back in '84. Lee Iacoca for President.
So we can all drive '84 Voyagers and Reliant SEs? I'll take my Voyager baby blue with fake wood sides, vinyl seats, 5-speed manual, and head gasket that'll blow at 20k.

Actually if you make that an '84 Daytona Turbo Z or Omni GLH, the paid will be a little less, at least for those first 20k miles.

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Old 07-09-2002, 12:13 PM   #18
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Man, the things I would do with a Shelby Omni.
For 30K miles anyways.
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Old 07-09-2002, 12:52 PM   #19
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hey! no mocking the omni! it was my family's first car in this country (not counting a chevette that never started) and we put on about 75K trouble free miles before the transmission dropped. probably because one of the ...ahem... idiots was doing neutral drops since around 60K miles

i still think it's kinda cool that it didn't have a right side view mirror

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Old 07-09-2002, 01:46 PM   #20
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There is congress and the House, which things have to also make it through. The only thing the President can do without anyone elses interference, is declare war.
Congress declares war.
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Old 07-09-2002, 04:55 PM   #21
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The news source that i quoted was MSN news. Also the president is only able to send troops to where ever he may choose for a 30 day period. After that congress must approve the troops being there. But back to my main point, I don't have anything against republicans I only take issue with certain points that certain people make. I make no gross generalization about the whole of a party. Well except maybe people who r1ce out there cars, I have no problem making gross generalizations about them.
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Old 07-10-2002, 02:06 AM   #22
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Republican++
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Old 07-10-2002, 12:52 PM   #23
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Typical left winger responses mixing 'fact' with lies; you guys would do your causes so much the better by presenting some actual, factual evidence instead of the garbage yer spewing. I'll give some examples to help you guys out.

True Fact: The sky is blue

Left winger 'fact': m750 is a svelte, handsome stud

True Fact: Fitz recycles Boys

Left winger 'fact': I dance like it's my job


Nuff said!



Seriously though, Bah you obviously haven't looked into the story behind what you read. The tax that is at issue is levied on oil and chemical companies, true. However, the money collected from the tax is not applied to clean up Superfund sites that these companies polluted; it is used to clean up sites where the original polluter is either out of business or can't be found. This makes the tax unfair as companies, who may have perfectly good environmental records, pay for something they didn't do.

You also mention relaxed air pollution rules, but you fail to mention that there are incentives for companies to meet stricter standards in the form of tax breaks. Here's some more information about the program and it's effects.
http://www.epa.gov/epahome/headline_070102.htm

ANWR drilling was also a less disastrous topic than some here would lead you to believe. While I personally support increased investment in alternative fuels and increased efficiency in cars/trucks, the proposed drilling wasn't going to be the end of the world. The area affected was on the order of a couple thousand acres of land, not the whole state of Alaska.

If you're gonna make a stand about a topic, do the research ahead of time to give a little background and you will do a better job of arguing your case.
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Old 07-10-2002, 12:59 PM   #24
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True Fact: Fitz recycles Boys

Left winger 'fact': I dance like it's my job
This boy tells the truth. 2 left feet, center of gravity a few feet too high and cannot jump.

Here Ryan, have a Twinkie.

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Old 07-10-2002, 01:39 PM   #25
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Screw you all.

I voted for Harry Brown.

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Right on Andrew

(I hope you weren't joking about that)
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