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Old 01-17-2011, 11:31 AM   #1
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ok so i have a 1.8l connected to a auto trans in my '93 FWD impreza all stock motor, decided to do my water pump and timing belt yesterday im on my 5th try with the belt. the first time it went on its likely i was off by a tooth or two, i know it sucks i know better than to rush a T-belt, i start it, it cranks a few times and i hear what sounded like metal on metal. i know what you guys are thinkinn, valves bent. but honestly it sounded more like the starter and flywheel connecting, not sure hope its not valves. anyways i do the belt 4 more times making sure the belt is DEAD on. it just cranks and never turns over. so, heres my question, if it was off a couple teeth the first time would it be enough to bend some valves and would it be enough to make it not turn over? i hear of ppl running their cars on bent valves and not knowing it just hearing a ticking noise. and is there anyway to advance or retard timing? I hope you guys have some anwsers for me its much appreciated, thanks
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Old 01-17-2011, 12:33 PM   #2
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Those arent interference so no bent valves. Not sure why it wont start though, did you disconnect anything electrical and forget it? Plenty of fuel? etc etc
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Old 01-17-2011, 12:49 PM   #3
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oh well thats great news, only thing elec. that got disconected was rad. fans....online repair manuals said something about using a "Driveplate stopper tool installed-automatic transaxle equipped models" and " Aligning the marks on the flywheel with the marks on the flywheel cover" is this nessacery in addition of alignment of crank and cams?

did compression last night 150psi and plenty of spark, on cyl 1. then tester failed :/ car ran great before this
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Old 01-17-2011, 12:57 PM   #4
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*note* i have checked online repair manuals and every source has the 1.8l noted as having 2 timing belts, L and R. mine clearly has one. also the pully diagram is wrong. looking at the 2.2l diagram shows my exact motor, so i got think maybe someone swapped my motor but it does have the "ej18" stamped on it. but the new belt that was ordered as a 1.8l matches the old one perfectly so i wonder what the 2.2l belt looks like? any other 1.8l owners have this problem?
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Old 01-17-2011, 12:58 PM   #5
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That stopper thing is to hold the engine so you can break the crank pulley bolt free. You arent using the paint on the pulleys to line them up are you? Only use stamped lines ignore all paint. Also the crank you want to use the line on sensor pickup and the arrow will point right by 90*. If you used the arrow to align thats wrong.
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Old 01-17-2011, 01:03 PM   #6
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make sure the timing marks look like this. now that u know u got spark make sure u get fuel also. check one of the fuel lines, with ignition on u should see fuel coming out
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Old 01-17-2011, 01:20 PM   #7
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i will gab some pics of the belt, yea ignoring paint marks using hash marks, will try timing once more
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Old 01-17-2011, 01:31 PM   #8
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anybody have this issue? The bottom 2 pics are supposed to be for 1.8l impreza, which is what i have but the 2.2 matches my motor
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those diagrams r not the right ones for ur engine. ill ppost the right ones
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does this look good?
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No it doesnt, your crank is wrong. Rotate it 90* clockwise and line up with the straight line. Not that triangle
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crank looks different!

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u should check if there is another mark on the crank sprocket. not in the front like the one u r showing, right on the teeth where the cranks position sensor reads.
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they look good to me. did u check the fuel?? u say got good spark right!!!
Then you have never done a timing belt so please stop posting misinformation.

OP: Heres of a pic of how it should look. The red arrows are pointing to the correct marks. Note the triangle pointing to the right.

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Then you have never done a timing belt so please stop posting misinformation.

OP: Heres of a pic of how it should look. The red arrows are pointing to the correct marks. Note the triangle pointing to the right.


Probably done twice as much as u! Better be careful when u talk to somebody like that u. Never know with who r u dealing with. there is not necessity to be disrespectful.
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U never know when u could need help from somebody.
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yea that was it, thanks guys, i almost said screw it put a ej257 in it and call it a day
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