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Old 02-04-2011, 10:03 AM   #1
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Default Gas 2.0 Finds Huge Problem With EV Chargers:


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We thought we know all the problems that could face the plug-in EV. As there are cost, range, charge time, unavailability of charging stations for apartment dwellers, road tax, the unexpected emergency while the car is on the drip, and sundry others.
Gas 2.0, a site very sympathetic to anything that helps the “world coming to terms with its oil addiction,” found yet another problem that hadn’t even occurred to us:
“Let’s say I buy a Chevrolet Volt, and in a few years I sell my home to a Focus Electric owner. Sure, it should still charge your car, but do you want to charge your Ford with a Chevy charger?”
Why not? The Nissan Leaf, Chevy Volt, and Ford Focus Electric all share the mandated (US-) industry-standard five-prong Level 2 charging connector, in the industry lovingly referred to as the “SAE Surface Vehicle Recommended Practice J1772, SAE Electric Vehicle Conductive Charge Coupler.” (Developed by the Japanese Yazaki company, by the way.)
Sure, the wattage of the charging unit can be different, but it’s a free charger, no?
It’s a problem, says Gas 2.0:
“If you’re a member of Generation Y and you see a big ol’ Ford symbol glaring back at you every time you pull into your garage with your Nissan Leaf, it could conjure up memories of that time the family Ford Windstar broke down on your way to soccer practice. So do you replace it, or suffer through it?”
What’s wrong with those Gen Y types? This Boomer would go on the Internet. He would find out that the Ford Focus Electric uses a 6.6 kw 240-V charger, whereas the Leaf comes with a puny 3.3 kw 240-V charger. Just to be sure, this Boomer would ask whether the Ford charger will make the Leaf go boom. This Boomer would either hear that the Leaf charges faster than with the factory-issued charger, or that it will take the same time. But for Gas 2.0, it remains a problem. Although they concede that this problem will not “derail electric car acceptance.” Phew.
Don’t these guys have anything positive to say? They sure do. Gas 2.0 sings the praises of one company that shows great foresight in charger branding:
“It should be noted that the GM symbol is conspicuously absent from its “Voltec” home charger. Wise move, General.”
A true blue Ford Focus Electric owner will wrinkle his nose at the Voltec though: “My Ford charger does 6.6 kw, this thing does only 3.3!” Out goes the Voltec charger, in goes the Ford-tough charger. With the wiring already in place, a matter of less than an hour – if the previous owner didn’t skimp on the wire gauge.
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Old 02-04-2011, 10:56 AM   #2
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“Let’s say I buy a Chevrolet Volt, and in a few years I sell my home.....”
And I'm taking the charger with me. Problem solved.
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:04 AM   #3
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Dumbest "issue" ever.
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:20 AM   #4
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seriously??!!
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:28 AM   #5
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Duh, the charger has to go with the car... the Ford Focus that moved away still needs... A CHARGER!

I am not a convert to electric vehicles, there are plenty of problems, but this is a complete non-issue.

Most people don't have the electric service for this kind of wiring in their garage, anyway, and probably require some professional wiring installation from the main breaker panel, if not from the weather-head or transformer, altogether.
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:32 AM   #6
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There is a lot of talk about including a charger in new home builds. Which one will they use? Maybe a Generic one or non-autocompany specific and that will solve their BIG PROBLEM.
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:40 AM   #7
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... but the chargers have brand logos on them?! I agree: total non-issue here.

mhoward1: SAE J1772 already has solved this problem, and all the announced/shipping vehicles I know of use this standard.
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:50 AM   #8
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The 'charger' on the wall is just a fancy extension cord. The AC-DC conversion which controls the speed of charging happens on the actual vehicle.

This article is like saying "I only go to Toyota-branded gas stations..."
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:52 AM   #9
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... but the chargers have brand logos on them?! I agree: total non-issue here.

mhoward1: SAE J1772 already has solved this problem, and all the announced/shipping vehicles I know of use this standard.
I understand

I was trying to say that the houses will come with the SAE J1772 plus with no auto company names on them.
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Old 02-04-2011, 02:38 PM   #10
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With the goal of making home-charger installation as easy as rigging up track lighting, a new partnership was announced Tuesday between Milbank Manufacturing — an electrical-equipment metering and distribution company — and AeroVironment, the official home-charger producer for the Nissan Leaf electric vehicle.

The alliance would enable any electrical contractor in the United States to obtain an AeroVironment charger and related components directly from Milbank. Previously, contractors were required to join AeroVironment’s contractor network and become trained and certified installation partners before placing orders with Milbank.


Milbank Manufacturing A prototype of the Milbank PowerGen home-charging unit.

Kristen Helsel, AeroVironment’s vice president of E.V. solutions, said in a telephone interview that the arrangement should facilitate E.V. home-charging installation in areas neglected by major plug-in vehicle automakers or government-subsidized infrastructure programs.
Of Milbank, she said the company is “very well positioned to reach a lot of the smaller communities that are really interested and looking to deploy electrical vehicle infrastructure.”

The Milbank-branded charger, called the PowerGen, will look slightly different than AeroVironment’s unit, but performance should be identical. AeroVironment did not disclose a price or estimated production numbers for the Milbank unit, but said they should be available to contractors in March.

AeroVironment has been active in E.V. development circles since the late 1980s, when the company worked with General Motors to develop the Sunraycer solar car prototype and the Impact electric car, which later evolved into the ill-fated EV1. Last year, AeroVironment became a partner with Nissan to create a Leaf home-charging unit that was originally priced at $2,200, fully installed. Some Leaf customers, however, were angered by the price.

“When you’ve seen criticism of AeroVironment in pricing, it has nothing to do with the box,” Ms. Helsel said. “It has a lot more to do with the installation services. We continue to work on that, to make sure that that is a very competitive price.”

Installed by AeroVironment-certified contractors, the brand’s home chargers carry a three-year parts-and-labor warranty. However, with installation being performed under the Milbank partnership by local electrical contractors who have not undergone AeroVironment’s certification program, Ms. Helsel said the warranty will be treated “a little different.”

In an e-mail, a Milbank representative wrote that the PowerGen’s warranty would match AeroVironment’s three years for parts, but labor would not be covered.
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and there you go...all solved.
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