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Old 02-04-2011, 10:51 AM   #1
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Default EJ22 deaily beater - oil oil oil

With colder temps my car just started leaking a good amount of oil!
( 95 Legacy EJ22 - 226k miles)

I am NOT a mechanic, took a few photos and need some opinions.
Is it some engine seal behind the belt cover, or rather a valve cover gasket?

There is oil only on the passenger side of the engine. (Maybe just leaking out of the belt cover right there...)

Picture from top shows little, splash guard at the bottom is soaked in oil.











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Old 02-04-2011, 12:47 PM   #2
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To me it looks like it could be the valve cover gaskets. Check around that area and see if that's where it's coming from. If it is, thankfully it's a pretty easy job.

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Old 02-04-2011, 12:53 PM   #3
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looks like the passenger side camshaft seal went, not the valve cover, there's a lot of oil on the bottom of the timing belt cover.

there are 3 places oil can leak behind the timing belt cover: the camshaft seals, and crank seal

to be honest @ 226k doing those seals + timing belt ( i bet it's oil soaked and more likely to break ) is a good idea, even though you have a non interference engine ( no harm done if it breaks just the motor quits )
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Old 02-04-2011, 02:35 PM   #4
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Thankfully I got a relative (ASE cert.) to have a look at it this weekend.
Not sure if he is willing to touch it.

Stopping at Pepboys for something else I felt curious and asked for a camshaft seal replacement. The guy behind the counter (manager) quoted me 15hrs labor - having to lift the engine.
As mentioned, I am not a mechanic.. but by removing the radiator it should be not THAT big of a deal?!

I agree, I have my hopes on the valve cover gasket(s) but it seems more likely to be something under the belt cover ( $$$ ).


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to be honest @ 226k doing those seals + timing belt ( i bet it's oil soaked and more likely to break ) is a good idea, even though you have a non interference engine ( no harm done if it breaks just the motor quits )
Through Ebay i acquired a brand new belt set with all bells & whistles, maybe also a good time to put on the block heater and a unorthodox pulley (same diameter) I got for cheap a while back. Just have to find a decent shade-tree mechanic to do it at for a price I am can justify.
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Old 02-04-2011, 02:44 PM   #5
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looks like the passenger side camshaft seal went, not the valve cover, there's a lot of oil on the bottom of the timing belt cover.

there are 3 places oil can leak behind the timing belt cover: the camshaft seals, and crank seal

to be honest @ 226k doing those seals + timing belt ( i bet it's oil soaked and more likely to break ) is a good idea, even though you have a non interference engine ( no harm done if it breaks just the motor quits )
yeah, that's more oil than I've ever seen from a leaky VCG.
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Old 02-04-2011, 02:49 PM   #6
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Any on top of the engine? Like under the manifold on the passenger side of the engine?
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Old 02-04-2011, 02:50 PM   #7
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One additional possibility is the o-ring that goes between the block and the oil pump. However, since it seems to be off to the side of the timing belt covers, I would tend to think that it's a cam seal.

Agree that you should NOT need to pull the engine to get to do the timing belt or get to the cam seal. Check in your local Subie sub-forum here - I'm sure there are other Subaru owners in Indy, you might be able to get some of them to help you with the repair for a helluva lot less than a shop will charge you.

On an unrelated note, please edit your original post so the pictures aren't all right beside themselves. Right now you have it like this:
[IMG}http://94.127.17.32/jan/Subyoil/DSC02432_resize.JPG{/IMG][IMG}http://94.127.17.32/jan/Subyoil/DSC02434_resize.JPG{/IMG]etc etc...

Please make it like this:
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Makes it a helluva lot easier to see the pictures and read the thread.
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Old 02-04-2011, 03:26 PM   #8
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my valve cover gaskets were fooked, didn't leak anywhere near that much. few drops at most.

it's not the valve cover gaskets.
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Old 02-04-2011, 03:51 PM   #9
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Damn these coincidences... the day I realize there is a repair due which could end up costing more then my current budget is, I have my EDM glass headlights delivered.

(Imported from Germany for 14Eur on Ebay plus "some" shipping. Just to say, it is not that I don't care about the engine but spend hundreds on fancy parts *g)
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Old 02-04-2011, 03:58 PM   #10
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go tell pep boys to go screw off to r@r bolth heads mitchell quotes 6.8 hours and one side is 4.7 hours and that includes r@r of the timing belt
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Old 02-04-2011, 04:06 PM   #11
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gosh the first time i removed a subaru motor it only took an hour.. trust me its the easest motor to take out.. its only 10 bolts 3 electrical conections and i think 4 vacume and 3 fuel lines.. its a couple more bolts if its automatic
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Old 02-04-2011, 06:56 PM   #12
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Simple version of seal replacement:

Pull radiator
Remove acessory belts
Remove crank pulley
Remove tb cover
Remove timing belt,
Remove cam sprocket ( hope u have 17mm bolt )
Replace seal
Replace timing belt
Reverse steps and done
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Old 02-06-2011, 03:33 PM   #13
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News:

Car was on a lift, removed part of the belt cover - it is a Valve Cover Gasket.
There probably is some seepage from seals in the front but that is not the main issue.

I will purchase parts needed for the VCG and pursue the repair.
At the same time I will get a labor price for belts & seals for the front
and if it seems worth the money, do that as well.

Oil from the VCG mainly accumulated on the plastic seam of the belt cover and dripped from there / was blown all over the underside.
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