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Old 06-22-2011, 08:15 PM   #826
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Nice. I've always liked borla. Who knows, being that its a Subaru you might get to cash in on that borla million mile warranty. Lol
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Old 06-22-2011, 08:25 PM   #827
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I'm pretty sure that there is no, nil, nada gains of performance to add a CBE to a stock downpipe. Again, not trying to be an ass... I'm pretty sure that there is a disclaimer on the product that says "for off road use only". I do concede that having a muffler is better than not having one.
Actually.... I saw a gain over most other stock 2011 sti pulls of close to 10 whp from the muffler delete alone. This is a 100% stock map. The only mod on the car is the Nameless Performance Axleback. To clarify, this is for the SEDAN axleback. Dyno plot below:

259 WHP / 260 WTQ.





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I think for the price, there isn't anything that will touch it. Although, like many have said..."I would prefer a more refined sound". I am working on getting a Borla ATAK. The NP really hit the market in a way that no CBE can, providing more rumble without the price of a full CBE. Their product opened up the sound and didn't hurt the pocket. The fact that the product is well built is just a bonus.
Let me back you up on this. Build quality is RIDICULOUS. This is a very very well crafted piece.

I've had the sedan axleback on the STI for about 2 weeks now. And to be honest, its the best sounding exhaust note I've heard from a Subaru. I was just at a huge Subaru meet this weekend and had LOTS of interest in it. People LOVED the sound. Inside the cabin is not as loud as people make it out to be. To give a more accurate comparison, I used to own a 2006 STI w/ a 3" Cobb TBE on it and this is much quieter in the cabin then that exhaust was. Also, when you cruise it really mellows out, when you open up the throttle she growls Its a mean sounding growl but its super clean. Obviously everyones definition and expectation of a perfect exhaust note will be subjective, but to me this does NOT in anyway sound unrefined. Its clean and badass. Perfect. There is NO rasp and no droning.


This car was also at an autocross event this weekend. Again, alot of people were asking me about the exhaust and were telling me it sounded amazing outside of the car at WOT.

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I'm saddened that the market for exhausts (quad tipped) has been this slow to react. Companies such as PERRIN and COBB have had these cars for almost a year now without ANY products. Invidia did jump out in many markets first and did offer a solution for many narrow niche markets...They do deserve credit for that.
Just make the extra cutout and swap it in.
Again here, I have to speak to Nameless Performance's customer service and dedication to our community. These guys are legit. I've had back and forth conversations with Jason @ Nameless over the last 2 months. The conversation was about my concerns of volume once I have a 3" Downpipe and midpipe bolted up to the Sedan Axleback. They know there are alot of other customers who have the same question I did. So what did they do? Ontop of their original plan to build a non muffled resonated midpipe, they consulted with their team and have come up with a radical solution that is going through testing and prototyping right now...



So yeah... If you guys have had any doubts about this company up till now, I really recommend you give the shop a call and follow them on Facebook. Hopefully you find this post helpful.

I am in no way affiliated with Nameless Performance, just an extremely happy customer trying to give you guys an accurate description of the product and the company behind it.

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gAh, ya beat me to it! I'm updating the website right now for a number of our as yet unreleased parts. Also to address some questions in regard to the sound, etc:

Hatch Owners: We are going ahead with testing a full muffler delete axleback for your cars. We are also releasing (today) a non resonated catback and midpipe for the 2008-2011 hatch.

Sedan Owners: See the photo above, that is the preliminary design for our factory fit muffler for the midpipe on your cars. We have a midpipe fully developed and have tested it with the single resonator in the middle on a stock downpipe car and it sounds phenomenal. Add a downpipe and it gets a little rowdy, so that is where this muffler design comes in. Best part is, you can buy both the standard Y and the muffler and also swap them in and out of your car.

We have the shell of the muffler out for laser cutting and forming right now (prototyping both aluminum and stainless iterations of this muffler) and should have those back in on Monday of next week. We have also sourced a few different packing materials for the muffler to test and validate for a variety of sound signatures. These include but are not limited to: 4 densities of ceramic wool used in high temp, high boost diesel applications, a few densities of stainless wool - the go to for mufflers that you'd find on the shelf, as well as some other novel concepts that we have been wanting to test.

We are doing everything in our power to make this a fully serviceable muffler - allowing you to change packing on the fly or just repack the unit after a few years of service. All of the packing materials we are working with are easy to handle and don't have the common characteristics of fiberglass packing often used in the exhaust silencing industry.

We have also spent a lot of time researching exhaust frequency and design methodology and have found a number of ways in which we can band pass filter the various ill sounding artifacts that often come along with any given exhaust design. As an example, we have wanted to product a design that utilizes a helmholtz secondary resonator for controlling drone and unwanted frequency and this muffler can gives us a prime opportunity to do so, as it has a large volumetric space between the legs of the Y which can be used to house a variety of helmholtz resonator sizes and designs.


Tuesday-Thursday of next week we will have a 2011 STi Sedan back in here to test this muffler out as well as (hopefully) finalize our divorced downpipe design to get it ready for market.

We should also have up-pipe flanges in by then, which would allow us to lay out the up pipe with external wastegate flange, or at least get lined up to do so in the following weeks.

I look forward to sharing more details soon. I apologize for not being more active on the forums, but if you want the scoop - our FaceBook page is the best place to see exactly what we are working on every day. http://facebook.com/namelessperformance

Anyone can view it, you do not need a FB login to do so. And yes, I do know that most of your employers know that people f-around on fb every day but they don't know about NASIOC ;-D

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Old 06-22-2011, 10:26 PM   #829
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I agree with the quality of the workmanship in the nameless. Excellent customer service as well. The sound is as expected and $800 is what you can expect to pay for a 3inch cat back. My q300 flows way better. I am speaking from experience as I've had both. The NP bugged me because it was so loud while other cars would be going the same speed as me, just seemed ridiculous. Its a new car, shouldn't sound raspy IMO.
Your q300 catback may flow better than our axleback but I have great doubts that the q300 makes as much power as our full catback does, and it may not even approach a tuned car with our axleback. Our axleback alone has made 259tq/260hp on a bone stock car and made 293tq with an intake and pro-tune. The sound issue is a total perspective thing, and I completely respect that this exhaust is not for everyone. Likewise our hatch exhaust is too quiet for some, but absolutely perfect for a large number of the people who have purchased them.

This really does beg the question though - how can a company like ours produce exhausts that can be tuned to the liking of the customer without radically changing the system? We have some ideas and are really commited to trying them out and experiementing with active exhaust systems and a variety of torque and horsepower controlling variables in them. Because you really can have your cake and eat it too if you look at how one exhaust behaves relative to another and why. McLaren does it all day long. Their new MP4-12C uses an active exhaust cutout in the rear of the system. Here's the rub: It's not a cutout that bypasses a muffler or dumps the downpipes or anything of the sort. It's just a butterfly over the tailpipe tips. It actively varies backpressure to maximize power across the powerband depending in which type of circuit or activity the car is participating.

I haven't been around here much lately but I've been doing a lot of homework. Our electrical and computer engineer has been doing a lot of homework as well, and we are really excited to start looking into building a few prototype systems to see how feasible development of this scale on an enthusiast car can be.

And the muffler shown above is just one method of allowing the previous configurability of our systems to be passed one step further into the hands of our customers. We want you to be able to start from a reference point (say, a youtube video of a setting on the exhaust system, whether it is electronic or manually controlled like with the muffler packing or variable helmholtz devices) and then make changes as described in our product literature.

These comments give us an opportunity to discuss the ways in which our systems can improve and continue to deliver the quality and service you expect from our company while bringing another few levels of tuning capability to the table.

Some of the elements we are currently working on:

- Use of helmholtz devices (dead resonators) whether internal to the muffler or external to the exhaust.
- Use of mechanical frequency absorbing devices for controlling rasp and nasty exhaust sound artifacts that aren't associated with specific frequency at all flow levels.
- Variable packing material density and serviceable muffler designs.
- Mechanically variable internal helmholtz resonators.

The good part about our systems is that once we commit to a factory fitting design, all of the pieces are interchangeable - allowing upgrades and new designs to be largely backward compatible with the former generation of the system. It is also why we have waited to release the midpipe for the sedan this long - having a system with a muffler that is interchangeable with the non muffled version allows more versatility than does releasing the midpipe with a v-band in the middle that won't attach to an as-yet-undesigned muffler.

We're working hard to bring you good products and think through our designs to the fullest. We're also really learning a lot about what OE manufacturers do to solve these challenges on a much larger scale.

We have a lot more we are working on as well. I have literally typed one paragraph discussing a new project into three or four forum posts and then deleted it because it's really not ready to discuss...but there is a lot more to come. That much I can tell you. :-D

Talk to you soon,

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Old 06-23-2011, 08:06 AM   #830
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I LOVE Borla with a passion. I've used their product in the past and love the quality, BUUUUUT...Where do people get off charging $1300 for a cat-back system!?! Unbelievable.

I give the nod to Nameless. Look at all the time they have spent here explaining their product. They have been professional and personal time and again. Although the axleback wasn't for me, it is a great product by a great company. Keep up the good work!
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Old 06-23-2011, 08:27 AM   #831
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I LOVE Borla with a passion. I've used their product in the past and love the quality, BUUUUUT...Where do people get off charging $1300 for a cat-back system!?! Unbelievable.

I give the nod to Nameless. Look at all the time they have spent here explaining their product. They have been professional and personal time and again. Although the axleback wasn't for me, it is a great product by a great company. Keep up the good work!
Probably the same place Invidia wants the same thing... no body sells it that much, and if someone pays MSRP for it... they suck.

$950 for a resonated exhaust system isn't too expensive considering what you are getting.

Maybe if NP has a prototype out before I buy they can change my mind. I think that that the Borla has 4" tips too. I personally believe that this car and its many tips shouldn't have anything larger than 3.5" I saw a bunch of q300's at a meet, they just look too big.
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Probably the same place Invidia wants the same thing... no body sells it that much, and if someone pays MSRP for it... they suck.

$950 for a resonated exhaust system isn't too expensive considering what you are getting.

Maybe if NP has a prototype out before I buy they can change my mind. I think that that the Borla has 4" tips too. I personally believe that this car and its many tips shouldn't have anything larger than 3.5" I saw a bunch of q300's at a meet, they just look too big.
I agree, my txs catback has 3.5" tips and looks great but I cant imagine them bigger than that.
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The q300 tips are not quite 4 inches. They are 3.8. They sit better in the cutouts then my single wall 3.5 NP did in my opinion due to it being able to fill the gap that you could see through to the suspension on the car with the NP. I had a lot of comments about that on the NP at meets and it bugged me as well. I also felt that the single wall tip was more of an American muscle look for me too. Like mustangs, camaros, etc. Just my opinion though. As far as the flow of the q300 versus the NP it isn't a fair comparison as its an a axelback and mine is a cbe. As far as the NP cbe flowing more, I would be interested in seeing that. One would think it would flow more due to the lack of mufflers but at a cost of it being to loud for my taste. I know NP is working on some ways to muffle the exhaust but I would be interested to see it gain more power then the q300 and keep that deeper and quieter sound. I hope they can, they are a great company and produce top notch parts, the axelback as stated earlier just wasnt for me. Good luck to you NP!
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The q300 tips are not quite 4 inches. They are 3.8. They sit better in the cutouts then my single wall 3.5 NP did in my opinion due to it being able to fill the gap that you could see through to the suspension on the car with the NP. I had a lot of comments about that on the NP at meets and it bugged me as well. I also felt that the single wall tip was more of an American muscle look for me too. Like mustangs, camaros, etc. Just my opinion though. As far as the flow of the q300 versus the NP it isn't a fair comparison as its an a axelback and mine is a cbe. As far as the NP cbe flowing more, I would be interested in seeing that. One would think it would flow more due to the lack of mufflers but at a cost of it being to loud for my taste. I know NP is working on some ways to muffle the exhaust but I would be interested to see it gain more power then the q300 and keep that deeper and quieter sound. I hope they can, they are a great company and produce top notch parts, the axelback as stated earlier just wasnt for me. Good luck to you NP!
http://www.invidia-usa.com/Products.aspx?ProductID=258

110 millimeters = 4.33070866 inches

So much for quality control.
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Lol. The website I looked at said 3.8 but it wasn't invidias site either. I didn't look much further into it because I remember NP saying they couldn't use a 4 inch tip because you would have to cut out the opening more. Invidia required no cutting so I assumed it was under 4. I gotta go measure it now. Lol. Be right back!
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Just measured! Its just under 4". Probably 3.8 is right. Invidias site must have a typo. As far as 3.8 compared to 3.5 goes...the fact that these are double walled tips is what makes them bigger. The inside diameter of the tip is 3.5 just like the NP, just double walled instead of single.
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Just measured! Its just under 4". Probably 3.8 is right. Invidias site must have a typo. As far as 3.8 compared to 3.5 goes...the fact that these are double walled tips is what makes them bigger. The inside diameter of the tip is 3.5 just like the NP, just double walled instead of single.
I think that the most obvious reason why the q300 tip is because it sits closer to the rear bumper fascia than the NP, most NP tips are a little recessed and the q300 is not. I'm not sure if the Invidia has cascading tips either. There shouldn't be a big difference between a 3.5" OD and a 3.8" OD.
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Not sure what you mean by cascading, but they are staggered if that's what your referring to?
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Not sure what you mean by cascading, but they are staggered if that's what your referring to?
yup, thats what I meant.
This sticks out...

This is recessed...
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Yeah. Mine actually sit flush. The holes on all of the flanges are oblong so you can adjust it. I've seen them adjusted to stick out like that too, not my thing though.
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And in terms of arranging the tips, we can stick them out an inch past the end of the cutout if anyone wants that, just ask. :-D

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Just placed our order for an axleback!
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Here are a few shots of our Staggered 3.5" Single Wall Tips as well:





We have stuck those out past the bumper for 2-3 customers already.

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i went thru the pictures and would love to see a rear end shot of each of the tip options please
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Does this look like burger king? Its not done your way, search brother.
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Does this look like burger king? Its not done your way, search brother.
Yes I'd like a Whopper with cheese, large fry, large Coke and a serviceable muffler please.
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Yes I'd like a Whopper with cheese, large fry, large Coke and a serviceable muffler please.
Sorry, order not found.

BTW, an order like that will increase your likelihood for heart disease.
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Sedan Owners: See the photo above, that is the preliminary design for our factory fit muffler for the midpipe on your cars. We have a midpipe fully developed and have tested it with the single resonator in the middle on a stock downpipe car and it sounds phenomenal. Add a downpipe and it gets a little rowdy, so that is where this muffler design comes in. Best part is, you can buy both the standard Y and the muffler and also swap them in and out of your car.
This is great news, I only hope there is no droning with this muffler. I will most likely be getting the NP axelback in a few weeks mainly to rid myself of the drone with the stock exhaust.

I would trade droning for loudness any day. I would assume a muffled midpipe would quite down the axelback a bit (vs stock midpipe with stock downpipe)? Not that i'm really concerned with the sound level. I had a full 3" catless TBE on one of my older cars which was pretty damn loud.. and no drone.
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Umm, is there anything available for the 08 forester xt? A buddy liked the sound of my axleback.
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