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Old 08-11-2011, 08:06 AM   #2501
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I'm planning on buying Subaru (want to experience AWD) but it makes me wonder why aren't those engines /trany more reliable. It seems to me older technology was simpler and better (in my case at least). I have two older Volvo's 25-year old each with 300K km or over and they are running like new.
Reading those kind of comments make me wonder if my new Subaru will last 100K mi. In addition with AWD I'll have to make sure my tires are in good shape :-/ I think with AWD tires need to be changed in pairs isn't it?
Typically you replace all four at once, not just in pairs--you are trying to keep the circumference of the tires equal to keep the AWD happy.
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Old 08-11-2011, 08:57 AM   #2502
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Or you shave tires. *shudder*
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Old 08-11-2011, 09:33 AM   #2503
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Will the base Imprezza be the only model that we can get the manual on or will the sport also come with manual?
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Old 08-11-2011, 10:37 AM   #2504
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Typically you replace all four at once, not just in pairs--you are trying to keep the circumference of the tires equal to keep the AWD happy.
So this is going to be expensive, if after 10k mi on a tire I get a nail and the tire needs to be replaced; I have to do all four of them :-/
It will be an expensive maintenance, tire shop will be happy.
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Old 08-11-2011, 10:40 AM   #2505
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^ 2 or 4 is the subject of much debate, or at least has been. And also how much wear or difference is acceptable. It is one of the negatives of AWD
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Old 08-11-2011, 10:50 AM   #2506
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Yeah, if you only have a few miles on the tires, it would be okay to get just one. It makes it all that more important to keep an eye on your tire pressures so if you do get a nail in them that you can get it repaired before you kill the tire entirely (that is to assume it doesn't go in the sidewall).
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Old 08-11-2011, 10:52 AM   #2507
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Will the base Imprezza be the only model that we can get the manual on or will the sport also come with manual?
Final US retail configurations have not been announced, but there was a "Sport" trim hatch on display that had a manual transmission.
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Old 08-11-2011, 11:01 AM   #2508
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So this is going to be expensive, if after 10k mi on a tire I get a nail and the tire needs to be replaced; I have to do all four of them :-/
It will be an expensive maintenance, tire shop will be happy.
Your other option is to buy a new tire and have it shaved down to match. It's difficult to find a shop equipped to shave tires, though.
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Old 08-11-2011, 11:04 AM   #2509
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Final US retail configurations have not been announced, but there was a "Sport" trim hatch on display that had a manual transmission.
The Limited models will be CVT-only, other models can be had with either tranny.

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Old 08-11-2011, 11:08 AM   #2510
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Final US retail configurations have not been announced, but there was a "Sport" trim hatch on display that had a manual transmission.
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The Limited models will be CVT-only, other models can be had with either tranny.

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Old 08-11-2011, 11:12 AM   #2511
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So this is going to be expensive, if after 10k mi on a tire I get a nail and the tire needs to be replaced; I have to do all four of them :-/
It will be an expensive maintenance, tire shop will be happy.
you could always plug and patch the tire if the nail is in the tread and not the sidewall.
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Old 08-11-2011, 11:50 AM   #2512
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So this is going to be expensive, if after 10k mi on a tire I get a nail and the tire needs to be replaced; I have to do all four of them :-/
It will be an expensive maintenance, tire shop will be happy.
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you could always plug and patch the tire if the nail is in the tread and not the sidewall.
+1. plus you can just buy a new tire and have the shop shave it down to match the rest 3. tirerack does that.

tire shops are happy because most ppl dont know what can be done...
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Old 08-11-2011, 11:56 AM   #2513
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^ 2 or 4 is the subject of much debate, or at least has been. And also how much wear or difference is acceptable. It is one of the negatives of AWD
There should be no debate, the manual is clear that you need to replace tires as a set, not a few at a time. It also states the allowed variation in circumference. This is true for virtually every awd vehicle so it isn't a unique situation. It certainly can cost more but it's pretty easy to keep wear even across all four tires, so the only time it's a drawback is when you have an unrepairable failure.
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Old 08-11-2011, 12:29 PM   #2514
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There should be no debate, the manual is clear that you need to replace tires as a set, not a few at a time. It also states the allowed variation in circumference. This is true for virtually every awd vehicle so it isn't a unique situation. It certainly can cost more but it's pretty easy to keep wear even across all four tires, so the only time it's a drawback is when you have an unrepairable failure.
Indeed...its 2/32"
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Old 08-11-2011, 01:30 PM   #2515
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Is it known yet whether the 2012 Impreza 5-door can be had in the U.S. without roof rails? I have seen pictures with and without them. I prefer my cars "clean" (this is one reason I have no interest in replacing my 2007 Legacy Limited wagon with the new Outback).

Specifically, I am interested in the 5-door Limited edition, if that makes a difference.
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Old 08-11-2011, 01:40 PM   #2516
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Is it known yet whether the 2012 Impreza 5-door can be had in the U.S. without roof rails? I have seen pictures with and without them. I prefer my cars "clean" (this is one reason I have no interest in replacing my 2007 Legacy Limited wagon with the new Outback).

Specifically, I am interested in the 5-door Limited edition, if that makes a difference.
Only the Sport and Sport Limited models come with roof rails.

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Old 08-11-2011, 01:54 PM   #2517
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you could always plug and patch the tire if the nail is in the tread and not the sidewall.
This.

However, tire shops are notorious for telling you that patches are a bad idea, and a new tire would be preferrable. Spit in their faces!

No, but honestly, ask around and don't always take the first advice you get. Ask here!
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Old 08-11-2011, 02:29 PM   #2518
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so has any pricing been announced on these yet? I'm moving to CO next month and buying a car to replace my Miata. Have always loved Subaru's from afar (would like to get a WRX some day), but for now I'm just looking for a Sedan that my wife can drive that's got plenty of amenities and good fuel economy. I've been looking at the new Elantra, the Cruze, Focus, etc. but the AWD/36 mpg one two punch of the new Impreza has me wondering if it's worth waiting a few months for. My only concern is that my wife and I would be sharing our RWD Toyota 4Runner which I'm not sure will be great in the snow.

With that said I'm wondering if the new Impreza will be priced competitively with cars like the Elantra which you can get totally optioned out w/ nav, etc. for roughly 23 grand. Also which model will have leather and will leather be an option or standard on a particular model? Thanks in advance!
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Old 08-11-2011, 02:57 PM   #2519
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so has any pricing been announced on these yet? I'm moving to CO next month and buying a car to replace my Miata. Have always loved Subaru's from afar (would like to get a WRX some day), but for now I'm just looking for a Sedan that my wife can drive that's got plenty of amenities and good fuel economy. I've been looking at the new Elantra, the Cruze, Focus, etc. but the AWD/36 mpg one two punch of the new Impreza has me wondering if it's worth waiting a few months for. My only concern is that my wife and I would be sharing our RWD Toyota 4Runner which I'm not sure will be great in the snow.

With that said I'm wondering if the new Impreza will be priced competitively with cars like the Elantra which you can get totally optioned out w/ nav, etc. for roughly 23 grand. Also which model will have leather and will leather be an option or standard on a particular model? Thanks in advance!
Bob will probably clarify, but until then: We're all waiting for pricing and there will be Limited trims that will have CVT (allowing the 36MPG) and leather seats (first time in an Impreza, I believe). They're attempting to keep the price near what's current, from what I've read, so expect the competitive pricing of $23k for everything.

I've driven RWD vehicles (SUV) in Alaskan winters before. Just gotta take it slow and no sudden movements. I think you guys will be okay until you get the Impreza. It's definitely a car worth waiting for, especially if you've checked out gary p's album. If I didn't have my 2011 WRX and the need for speed I'd have a hard time deciding between the sedan or hatch since they have spoiler accessories that make them look kinda hawt.

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Old 08-11-2011, 06:03 PM   #2520
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No pricing, and I know that this is NOT a WRX/STI thread, but I just got this from my dealer:

Sold Order System for MY12 Vehicles
As of August 12, 2011, SOA will be turning on their Sold Order System for all SOA dealers for MY12 vehicles. The Sold Order System will be made available for all MY12 orders, but timing varies by model.
o Outback, Legacy, Tribeca and Impreza sold orders will be turned on August 12th. This includes Legacy Turbo’s.
Forrester and WRX/STI sold orders will be turned on in September (approx 16th).
Depending on demand, WRX and STI may even be deferred until October for
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If a customer contacting your dealership does not find the Subaru they are looking for in your inventory, and they are willing to wait for an MY12 vehicle, you will now have the ability to place a Sold Order for these customers.
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Old 08-11-2011, 06:05 PM   #2521
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so has any pricing been announced on these yet? I'm moving to CO next month and buying a car to replace my Miata. Have always loved Subaru's from afar (would like to get a WRX some day), but for now I'm just looking for a Sedan that my wife can drive that's got plenty of amenities and good fuel economy. I've been looking at the new Elantra, the Cruze, Focus, etc. but the AWD/36 mpg one two punch of the new Impreza has me wondering if it's worth waiting a few months for. My only concern is that my wife and I would be sharing our RWD Toyota 4Runner which I'm not sure will be great in the snow.

With that said I'm wondering if the new Impreza will be priced competitively with cars like the Elantra which you can get totally optioned out w/ nav, etc. for roughly 23 grand. Also which model will have leather and will leather be an option or standard on a particular model? Thanks in advance!
It's defintely worth holding out for. AWD and 36mpg is pretty badass and especially at the price point it sounds like they are shooting for.

A miata with decent tires will get around fine so long as you are driving in a way that is approriate for the conditions.
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Old 08-11-2011, 06:23 PM   #2522
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That is highly dependent on what the conditions actually are, and what you think equates to "fine." If 20mph max in an AWD car on snow tires in blizzard conditions with a strong cross-wind is what the conditions are, a light-rear-end RWD car is not going to have a fun time with a sliding rear end, and even a FWD car is going to have trouble with complete under-steer.

The mountain regions of Colorado are no place to fiddle around, when the weather gets cold. almost anywhere that blizzards happen is nothing to take lightly. Obviously don't be out in one, but if you are, you'll want more than just passable.

I have a Miata and a set of dedicated snow tires for it. I bought a second AWD car, so that the Miata could hibernate through the winter. We never wrecked the Miata in the winter (although one of the wheels did get broken by a big ice chunk kicked down the road. Just the wheel and tire had to be replaced), but that doesn't mean it was anywhere NEAR as competent as an AWD car with appropriately good tires in the winter.
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so has any pricing been announced on these yet? !
I hope that they are competitive with the Hyundais as well...but I am thinking they will probably be a little more and they will boast that it's because the AWD.

When I first moved to Illinois, I had a Firebird. That was the WORST winter of driving that I have ever had. As long as it's not crazy bad outside, you will be fine....but you will LOVE the difference that the Impreza will give you when you get to experience it.
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Old 08-11-2011, 09:08 PM   #2524
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The mountain regions of Colorado are no place to fiddle around, when the weather gets cold. almost anywhere that blizzards happen is nothing to take lightly. Obviously don't be out in one, but if you are, you'll want more than just passable.

We just had a fantastic blizzard this past year in the Chicagoland area that you may have heard of. We tried to make it home from work....10 minutes away. It took us two and a half hours and two winch outs from the tow truck. I have NEVER gotten my Subaru stuck before....but to be fair to the car, it was pretty stupid to try and make it. It was literally one of those scary stuck in the car in the middle of corn country all alone feelings.

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I hope that they are competitive with the Hyundais as well...but I am thinking they will probably be a little more and they will boast that it's because the AWD.
It doesn't have to be cheaper than the Hyundai to be a better value.
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