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Old 03-21-2011, 02:53 PM   #251
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An STI in a handsome 3-door fastback hatch coupe body, with limited trim would be fantastic for me.

The cargo space is fine, it is the rear seats that I only need once every couple of years, and only for a short time.

Even if part of the limited trim were to put an EZ36 with 300+ horsepower under the hood, and keep the 300+ hp turbo 4 for the cloth-interior, no-show but all-go version.

All different wants and needs in terms of AWD performance cars, which is why Subaru should be the AWD company with a diverse body style lineup.
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Old 03-21-2011, 02:56 PM   #252
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An STI in a handsome 3-door fastback hatch coupe body, with limited trim would be fantastic for me.

The cargo space is fine, it is the rear seats that I only need once every couple of years, and only for a short time.

Even if part of the limited trim were to put an EZ36 with 300+ horsepower under the hood, and keep the 300+ hp turbo 4 for the cloth-interior, no-show but all-go version.

All different wants and needs in terms of AWD performance cars, which is why Subaru should be the AWD company with a diverse body style lineup.
yea thats for "you" not for the majority

but a regular sti then modify it however you like if you have the "money"
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Old 03-21-2011, 03:16 PM   #253
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Last I checked, it isn't exactly feasible to modify a 4 or 5 door into a sleek 3 door, and completely re-engineer the body in the aftermarket. At least not at FAR more cost than just buying a Porsche Carrera 4S or Audi S5, which are great cars, but much more expensive than a Subaru, both to buy, and to support.

That is something that a manufacturer does in a FACTORY, and sell it at about the same retail price at the dealer, as the other body-styles. All of the other manufacturers offer coupe bodystyles of some of their vehicles, from Nissan to Caddy, but none of them are a REAL AWD, manual gearbox, boxer-powered Subaru.

Otherwise as an example, it is the purview of middle-east prince to pay West Coast Customs to do modifications for likely hundreds of thousands of dollars, like re-creating the Range Stormer 3-door concept from a Range Rover Sport 5-door SUV. No warranty on that vehicle, and anything that happens has to be custom re-built.

That is not a production coupe with a parts supply and a warranty term.

Plus, you missed the whole point about being DIVERSE. I thought Diversity was a big buzz-word everywhere, and was all Politically Correct and stuff... evidently not when it comes to offering various shapes of cars to various people who might not all agree on the same thing all the time. Evidently that is all fascist all the time. Everyone must bow to what everyone else says they should want, or else.

Maybe Nissan should have only built Skyline 4-doors. No GTR coupes. Who wants AWD coupes? Nobody, that's who. Oh, maybe just YOU, but you don't count, and there couldn't possibly be anyone else. Do you hear the sarcasm there, 'cause I am laying it on pretty thick.

How IRONIC, that a Nissan Skyline GTR (an AWD Coupe automobile-non-grata by the US Gov't) fan is chastising me on a Subaru (the recently All-AWD brand) enthusiast (enthusiasts tend to like sexy looking coupes, usually, I thought...) forum (a place to voice varied opinions), about wanting a nice AWD coupe.

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I wish they offered the STI 5-Door hatch model with a Limited trim option. With a 5-door Limited STI, you'd also get the practicality of having the extra cargo space.
+1

The 5 door would certainly appeal to those with kids and pets. Leather is so much easier to wipe down than absorbing fabric, and having a moon/sunroof to open allows the heat to escape better, when leaving pets in a parked vehicle.
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Plus, you missed the whole point about being DIVERSE. I thought Diversity was a big buzz-word everywhere, and was all Politically Correct and stuff... evidently not when it comes to offering various shapes of cars to various people who might not all agree on the same thing all the time. Evidently that is all fascist all the time. Everyone must bow to what everyone else says they should want, or else.


I thought diversity was an old, old wooden ship. That's what I was told.
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An STI in a handsome 3-door fastback hatch coupe body, with limited trim would be fantastic for me.

The cargo space is fine, it is the rear seats that I only need once every couple of years, and only for a short time.

Even if part of the limited trim were to put an EZ36 with 300+ horsepower under the hood, and keep the 300+ hp turbo 4 for the cloth-interior, no-show but all-go version.

All different wants and needs in terms of AWD performance cars, which is why Subaru should be the AWD company with a diverse body style lineup.
What did rear doors ever do to you? What do you fear that they'll do next?
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What did rear doors ever do to you? What do you fear that they'll do next?
Well, if you never use them then they're just a waste of body. It doesn't look as clean with those extra doors.

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Old 03-21-2011, 09:43 PM   #259
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What is your aversion to other people getting their coupe?

I have a sedan. It is a fine car. I don't use all of it much of the time. The same with the pickup truck I had before that. I didn't use it.

I like aerodynamics. I like aesthetics, I like engineering efficiency, and I like not carrying around more vehicle than I usually need.

I have a coupe, too, and I really like it. It isn't immortal, and it is going to have to be replaced at some point.

Name the great, Iconic performance car nameplates like Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, the original Charger, Corvette, 911, Nissan Z, Nissan GTR, Toyota Supra, Mazda RX7, Mercedes 300SL, BMW 6-series, and most of the M3s, Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Audi UrQuattro and S2, and most of the classic muscle cars, european sports cars, and more...

Most of the headliners, other than STI and EVO, have all been coupes, and perhaps their convertible alternate versions. There are noteable sedans, wagons, trucks, and others, but the majority of lust-worthy cars that people think of when they think of performance cars, have two side doors, with or without a roof.

At least one of several body styles is a coupe, like the A5, BMW 3, CTS, and G37, and now even Genesis, as a multi-body-style lineup. Subaru used to have 3-style Impreza, and Mitsubishi still has Eclipse, although it isn't up to what the 90's era turbo AWD GSX-T used to be, let alone anything to succeed the 3000GT-VR4, or Subaru's overseas WRX coupes, and the ultimate 22B STI.

How many times do I have to repeat, that offering a coupe to those of us who want one, does not mean that they would stop offering 4 and 5 door body styles. I am not sure what skin off your nose it would be for Subaru to offer something with a sleeker profile, and only two side doors, with Subaru AWD performance.

Subaru does AWD performance very well compared to the rest of the market on AWD, before even factoring in Subaru's value price position compared to most other AWD options that are much more expensive, and most other options near it's price point being mere shadows of AWD capability.
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What is your aversion to other people getting their coupe?

I have a sedan. It is a fine car. I don't use all of it much of the time. The same with the pickup truck I had before that. I didn't use it.

I like aerodynamics. I like aesthetics, I like engineering efficiency, and I like not carrying around more vehicle than I usually need.

I have a coupe, too, and I really like it. It isn't immortal, and it is going to have to be replaced at some point.

Name the great, Iconic performance car nameplates like Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, the original Charger, Corvette, 911, Nissan Z, Nissan GTR, Toyota Supra, Mazda RX7, Mercedes 300SL, BMW 6-series, and most of the M3s, Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Audi UrQuattro and S2, and most of the classic muscle cars, european sports cars, and more...

Most of the headliners, other than STI and EVO, have all been coupes, and perhaps their convertible alternate versions. There are noteable sedans, wagons, trucks, and others, but the majority of lust-worthy cars that people think of when they think of performance cars, have two side doors, with or without a roof.

At least one of several body styles is a coupe, like the A5, BMW 3, CTS, and G37, and now even Genesis, as a multi-body-style lineup. Subaru used to have 3-style Impreza, and Mitsubishi still has Eclipse, although it isn't up to what the 90's era turbo AWD GSX-T used to be, let alone anything to succeed the 3000GT-VR4, or Subaru's overseas WRX coupes, and the ultimate 22B STI.

How many times do I have to repeat, that offering a coupe to those of us who want one, does not mean that they would stop offering 4 and 5 door body styles. I am not sure what skin off your nose it would be for Subaru to offer something with a sleeker profile, and only two side doors, with Subaru AWD performance.

Subaru does AWD performance very well compared to the rest of the market on AWD, before even factoring in Subaru's value price position compared to most other AWD options that are much more expensive, and most other options near it's price point being mere shadows of AWD capability.
Once again, I have no objection to 2 door vehicles for 2 passengers. Leaving out the rear doors, is an inconvenience for both front and rear passengers, and a safety hazard. Often times, a manufacturer decides to focus their marketing of their "sporty" cars to only their 2 door models.
I just don't know why you seem to need to remind us almost everyday that you prefer the styling exercise that provides little to no benefit and numerous drawbacks.

May I suggest an Audi TT. The price is in the same ball park as an STI.
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Awesome!

... Now post in the thread I created for you that discusses the necessity for an AWD coupe.
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Awesome!

... Now post in the thread I created for you that discusses the necessity for an AWD coupe.
i can't partake in a poll until i've been a member for 30 days.

but i would not buy a coupe. not conducive to having a 3 year old and a car seat.

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Once again, I have no objection to 2 door vehicles for 2 passengers. Leaving out the rear doors, is an inconvenience for both front and rear passengers, and a safety hazard.
WRONG.

2 doors might be an inconvenience for rear seat passengers, but I just got through saying that I don't have rear seat passengers 99 percent of the time.

IF you do have rear seat passengers, I don't begrudge anyone a car with more doors. if you haven't gotten that point yet, you are far too dense to continue this conversation.

It is not a safety hazard any more than any other car can also be. That is fear mongering trying to make your exclusionary point. There are plenty of safe 2+2 coupes on the market, of various drive-lines.

I, and some others, happen to want one that is affordable with an AWD driveline, and subaru makes some of the best AWD cars, that are also affordable. Sounds pretty logical to me that I would then want A SUBARU AWD COUPE.

Nobody is asking for them to cancel other cars in order to offer that.

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I just don't know why you seem to need to remind us almost everyday that you prefer the styling exercise that provides little to no benefit and numerous drawbacks.
So now better aerodynamics, lower parts count, lower weight, and more technical efficiency is no benefit, even if you discount that people should ENJOY what they spend a significant amount of their money on?

A coupe may be a drawback for you, but don't presume to think you know me. It is not a drawback for me.

Why do you rail against this, when you have your option on the market already. Keep buying your 4-doors, if you want.

There is only one of us that is pushing a position of exclusion here, and it is NOT, nor has it EVER been me.

Are you leveling this rant at future owners of the FT-86, based solely on the fact that it is a tiny 2+2 coupe, regardless of it's driveline configuration?

Subaru IS going to be building that, after all.

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1: why would you suggest that, after your rant above? Or, conversely, if Audi sells TTs, and A5s, both 2+2 coupes, how is your position justified, if they are salable in enough numbers for those brands to continue offering them, and not such safety hazards? Or any 2+2 coupe on the market, and there are some in pretty much every brand, sans Subaru at the moment. NHTSA hasn't banned coupe bodystyles for failing crash tests, because they don't fail crash tests.

2: TT starts at 38K, and closer to 40K with shipping. A fully loaded STI could probably be purchased for significantly less, if you get anywhere near invoice price, and that is with pretty much every option, and FAR, FAR more performance from the drivetrain.

I usually don't think it is fair to compare the base model of one vehicle, with the fully loaded configuration of another, even if the price comes close to overlapping at that point. At least not fair without disclosing that fact.

I should like the TT, it is very near what I would be looking for. But to get the TT anywhere near the performance and feature set that would be nice to own, you are in Porsche price territory, and I would rather have a used Carrera 4 or 4S.

If I had that kind of money, I would be driving that kind of car, and would be talking about Porsches on a Porsche forum.

If you want rid of me so badly, I'll take donations. Otherwise, I'll stay in Subaru territory, thanks.

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Please don't tell me we are having another AWD coupe discussion.
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I can't believe there hasn't been any spy shots. Less than one month left until the offical unveil, and absolutely nothing. Just a concept, but no teaser shots, no spy shots, nothing, nothing at all.
This!!!! If I wanted to read about coupes, Audi, and Porsche, I would go elsewhere. Keep it on topic.

Oh, and usually on new model unveils you hear dealers/sales people/ select people talking about seeing the new models and their impressions. Not even that.
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I can't believe there hasn't been any spy shots. Less than one month left until the offical unveil, and absolutely nothing. Just a concept, but no teaser shots, no spy shots, nothing, nothing at all.
When the press and corporate mouthpieces go silent you can pretty much bet that a new model is close to it's reveal. The press likely have the info and photos but the NDAs have kicked in and the truthy leaks and speculation stops until they expire. It's close.

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No matter how much sense it makes I still think it's weird to see someone quote themselves, GodWhomIsMike.

I want to sometimes, but I guess I'm just not man enough.

Can we pleae stop mentioning an AWD coupe in this particular thread?

Self-control, people. Self-control!
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When the press and corporate mouthpieces go silent you can pretty much bet that a new model is close to it's reveal. The press likely have the info and photos but the NDAs have kicked in and the truthy leaks and speculation stops until they expire. It's close.

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It's unlikely the press has any info or images yet. That usually happens just before the event (unless they need extra lead time for a writeup), and yes everything will be embargoed until showtime.

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WRONG.

2 doors might be an inconvenience for rear seat passengers, but I just got through saying that I don't have rear seat passengers 99 percent of the time.

IF you do have rear seat passengers, I don't begrudge anyone a car with more doors. if you haven't gotten that point yet, you are far too dense to continue this conversation.

It is not a safety hazard any more than any other car can also be. That is fear mongering trying to make your exclusionary point. There are plenty of safe 2+2 coupes on the market, of various drive-lines.

I, and some others, happen to want one that is affordable with an AWD driveline, and subaru makes some of the best AWD cars, that are also affordable. Sounds pretty logical to me that I would then want A SUBARU AWD COUPE.

Nobody is asking for them to cancel other cars in order to offer that.



So now better aerodynamics, lower parts count, lower weight, and more technical efficiency is no benefit, even if you discount that people should ENJOY what they spend a significant amount of their money on?

A coupe may be a drawback for you, but don't presume to think you know me. It is not a drawback for me.

Why do you rail against this, when you have your option on the market already. Keep buying your 4-doors, if you want.

There is only one of us that is pushing a position of exclusion here, and it is NOT, nor has it EVER been me.

Are you leveling this rant at future owners of the FT-86, based solely on the fact that it is a tiny 2+2 coupe, regardless of it's driveline configuration?

Subaru IS going to be building that, after all.



1: why would you suggest that, after your rant above? Or, conversely, if Audi sells TTs, and A5s, both 2+2 coupes, how is your position justified, if they are salable in enough numbers for those brands to continue offering them, and not such safety hazards? Or any 2+2 coupe on the market, and there are some in pretty much every brand, sans Subaru at the moment. NHTSA hasn't banned coupe bodystyles for failing crash tests, because they don't fail crash tests.

2: TT starts at 38K, and closer to 40K with shipping. A fully loaded STI could probably be purchased for significantly less, if you get anywhere near invoice price, and that is with pretty much every option, and FAR, FAR more performance from the drivetrain.

I usually don't think it is fair to compare the base model of one vehicle, with the fully loaded configuration of another, even if the price comes close to overlapping at that point. At least not fair without disclosing that fact.

I should like the TT, it is very near what I would be looking for. But to get the TT anywhere near the performance and feature set that would be nice to own, you are in Porsche price territory, and I would rather have a used Carrera 4 or 4S.

If I had that kind of money, I would be driving that kind of car, and would be talking about Porsches on a Porsche forum.

If you want rid of me so badly, I'll take donations. Otherwise, I'll stay in Subaru territory, thanks.
I'll entertain you one more time.

I'm not wrong!

That 1% of the time, which might or might not change, your passengers will be inconvenienced.

In the event of an accident, a lack of doors can hinder egress. Fact, not fear mongering.

What you deem logical because that's what you want, rather than what makes the most sense, seems illogical to me. You want what you want, because the Madison Ave. guys have convinced you that's what you want. There are more good reasons for rear passenger doors, than good reasons (vanity?) for not having rear passenger doors.

You don't ask them to cancel other cars, but you ask them to increase their manufacturing and perhaps their inventory and administrative costs.

I'm not addressing any vehicles other than the one this thread is about.

Just sealing off the rear doors will not significantly effect aerodynamics (door handles?). The reduction in parts count will reduce ultimate safety. Is that really a good idea? As far as reducing weight, there are plenty of ways "to skin a cat" reducing the weight of the roof and over the engine bay would be more beneficial than in front of the rear wheels.

I don't presume to know you, and quite frankly I don't care to.

I merely suggested a vehicle that met your previously posted criterion.

The base model of one line is often times comparable to a loaded model of another line. Perhaps you can be just as effective as you've been here, in getting what you want by petitioning Audi to lower their prices.

As I've previously posted, my objection is because I want to keep my prices down, and prevent the possibility of the marketing guys from limiting most of their "sporty" vehicles to the 2 door versions like most of VW's GTI's and most of BMW's M3's. I also want Subaru to use their resources more constructively.

After your needless insult, this is the last time I'm going to respond to you. Tell it to someone who cares, and good luck with that, you'll need it.
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Hip, there's no way you're going to see a 2/3door version of the next Impreza. It's too big. It's not as cheap as you think/make it out to be to re-engineer a car even for that.

I've said it many many times- go get an GC8 2 door RS and put an STi Drivetrain in. This should be much cheaper then any new car, can be customized to what you want all around(engine/turbo/suspension/int/ext). Even if you paid a shop to do all the work it comes out cheaper then any other option you have or will ever have subaru wise. You can also buy one with all the work done already. Just please do that- you're time is much better spent achieving what you want rather then rambling on a forum like a 10 year old girl that daddy didn't get her a pony.
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Why would I get an old 2.5RS, when I already have an old SVX?

Neither of those cars are going to last forever. Neither of those cars are reliable enough anymore, nor have the support anymore, after a decade or more of being out of production, to trust my job to, when I HAVE to get to work, rather than staying home to fix my primary car.

Every year that Subaru doesn't produce an AWD coupe, is another year further away from those older subaru's build date, and another year away from good parts sources, now that most spare parts are out of production.

Try getting a windshield or other glass for an SVX. Or a suspension damper. Or any other service part that isn't an engine part. Thankfully the engine and driveline is common enough with other Subarus that EG and EJ spares are the same for the most part. Glass, body, suspension, and other unique parts that aren't shared, and service items need to be replaced with new pieces, rather than other depleted parts, are getting SCARCE.

I don't need a big, oversized, blunt, less efficient, heavier car for me to get to work, with doors I don't use. People complain about SUV owners driving to work alone in their hulks... I am not that person, nor do I want to be.

The Impreza is not too big to be a coupe. Legacy now is.

I don't buy the excuse that it costs too much. Too many manufacturers offer options.

Civic
Altima
Focus
Accord
Scion TC (based on shortened corrolla)
Kia Forte
Mini
VW Golf, soon to be Jetta, too
and other cars in many other segments and price points. All platform shared between several body-styles.

It can't be that expensive, if all of those inexpensive cars exist at the same price points regardless of bodystyle.

If it were that expensive, Subaru shouldn't be able to afford to build 4 door, 5 door, and Forester SUV bodystyles all at the same time. Or Legacy/Outback/Tribeca all at the same time, where Outback and Tribeca are nearly redundant anyway.

Subaru is making all kinds of money, and setting their own sales records... they are going to have to increase production anyway. They've built coupes in the past, without having production problems. Only the last decade have they not offered coupes. The two decades previously, they offered more than one option for Subaru coupes at those times.

Impreza throughout the 90s was offered as a 3-body line, and there is no feasible reason, other than they just don't want to, that they couldn't do that again, if they changed their mind.

I don't want Subaru to ignore performance on some bodystyles in favor of others. Nothing about my argument for more diverse offerings would suggest that I would want Subaru to ignore performance aspects.

Nothing about offering a 3-body lineup would prevent the same performance driveline offered in all three body styles, just as they NOW offer WRX and STI performance in both sedan and 5-door, each. They are getting MORE diverse than they were, not less.

And for what it is worth, I am sorry for calling you dense, WRX4US, I should have held my tongue. But you insist on ascribing your values in car choice, to me, and it doesn't apply, and I have told you that many times.

Safety for rear seat passengers is moot if there are no rear seat passengers, and other coupes on the market do not bear out your mantra about inherent lack of safety. There are not news stories about a rash of injuries or deaths for rear seat coupe passengers, any more than any other car.

Riding in a car is a risk, no matter how many doors it has.

Doors can be pinned shut. Doors can collapse inward from side impacts, even with side intrusion beams, especially from SUV and Truck impacts into the side of cars. More holes in the unibody for door portals makes the unibody less rigid, not more rigid.

If I have rear seat passengers for ten minutes every YEAR, what exactly are the chances that it will be an issue for me? Why should I HAVE to haul around rear doors for that lack of use?
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This sounds better and better the more you post. *Please* limit your mega posts complaining about the same things over and over.
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The '12 Impreza will have a more coupe-like profile...that counts for something right?

Plus, what if you're coming out of the club and three hotties want to come home with you? Never know when you'll need easy rear seat access
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You say the new Impreza isn't big enough not to offer a coupe but the Legacy is? You know they are the same chassis right?

And yes it is very expensive. You don't realize how small a company subaru is. The reason they do well is cause they realistically offer 2 cars with various trims(in subarus case models). And those 2 cars jump off eachother every revision so very little is from scratch outside of new Legacys and Outbacks.

Do you know how much a metal press dye costs? $500k just to press out a single piece of metal. You would need quite a few of those to make up the difference in size to make the new Impreza a coupe. Then the people to design, crash test, market, etc etc.

Ever talk with the marketing guys at Subaru? They'll tell you exactly how much interest there is for a coupe- little to none. People don't want 2 doors in a non sports car. It's inconvenient for alot of reasons. There's a market for sedans and 5 door hatches. They can sell enough of those to justify the costs to make. They can't sell enough non sporty mid size coupes, it's a guaranteed loss.

"I am not that person, nor do I want to be." But you drive an AWD 6 cylinder heavy as **** car- you are that person. Even if it was a light super sporty car, you don't need the sports factor of a car. Anyone can argue this to death what you need to get from point A to B and how much most of us have well beyond that.

You can easily find parts for older cars. It's not as hard as you make it out to be. If you spent half the time bitching on this forum looking for GC8 parts you'd be enjoying yourself right now in a sweet ride. But ya know what- your choice. Have fun acting like the major know it all on a news and rumor forum on the interwebs. You are just another anonymous name bitching on the internet cause deep down inside- that's all you really want to do. Enjoy.
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