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Old 01-21-2012, 06:43 PM   #8726
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OEM tires, 2-3" of fresh snow unplowed/untreated on a base of the previous days snow/ice.

This car is amazing in the snow, with the OEM tires, predictable and fun to drive. If you live in the mountains and regularly get 6" of snow then maybe you need to upgrade your tires to snow tires. If you live anywhere else don't waste the money yet. There was a lot of fear on the forum about how the OEM tires would suck in the snow, and why would momma Subaru equip a car with such terrible tires...

Well actually the car handles great in slippery conditions. If you want to get the tires to slip you need to park it on a steep incline, untreated snow, and then try to climb. That will give you wheel slip indicators for about 2-4 seconds until the car starts climbing.

Do you want to powerslide around a corner. It is hard to do. I tried to slide the rear end out but the damn car controlled the skid and powered right around the corner.

Do you want to stop fast? Buy the snow tires. Of course the ABS will keep the car going straight, but you are going to slide until you eventually stop. If you are like most careful drivers, you can control for this by slowing down when it is slippery.

Coming off only FWD cars without traction control that I drove through many winters (and one winter in a RWD sports car without snows) this car is simply amazing in the snow, with the OEM tires, and inspires confidence.

Now next year, with tire wear, it may be a different story. But for now unless you are driving into unplowed deep snow in the mountains regularly, stick with the factory tires and don't worry about it. If you get into trouble driving it this winter it isn't the tires or the imprezas fault.
I TOTALLY AGREE. today, drove the stock Yokohamas on 2-3" of NYC/NJ snow and it was FINE. don't know what all the complaints were about. i was panicing and on the verge of ordering a set of Conti's DWS. glad i did not waste the $.
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:54 PM   #8727
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I hate people without snow tires. Always struggling to get moving from a stop, and driving ten under, every time it snows.
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:05 PM   #8728
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I dont hate people based on tire choice.
But living in Florida its interesting to read about all you folks dealing with snow and sub-freezing temps. Carry on!
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:07 PM   #8729
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I dont hate people based on tire choice.
But living in Florida its interesting to read about all you folks dealing with snow and sub-freezing temps. Carry on!
Funny you say that, I just got home an hour ago from a week long cruise that left out of Miami...

I miss the weather already.
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:21 PM   #8730
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Regarding steering wheel hardness and coldness, the inexpensive wheel cover from Ace solved those problems for me. Love the cushioned finger grip mold, and can make do without gloves while the heater takes effect. I was so happy to find it at Ace Hardware because I let my same very old cover go with my beloved old Legacy. I didn't want one without finger ridges, as all the expensive models at the auto store and online seemed to be.
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:37 PM   #8731
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I TOTALLY AGREE. today, drove the stock Yokohamas on 2-3" of NYC/NJ snow and it was FINE. don't know what all the complaints were about. i was panicing and on the verge of ordering a set of Conti's DWS. glad i did not waste the $.
People are swooned by having cars with AWD and traction control. If you had to make a quick stop or a turn on the Yokos, you are going to run into something.
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:48 PM   #8732
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I commented on this earlier and I got chewed out by a couple of people informing me: "Kicker is a premium brand now!"

I don't believe that for a second. Unless you only listen to house music, I guess. Kicker was always a narrow-band thumper box. Musical fidelity was never used as a marketing point. "Kicker" as in "kick drum".

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While I thank you for being the only person to reply to me, you didnt answer a single question! While I agree, Kicker has never been a name to "stand out" to me, I figured that that I didnt really want to pull the dash apart, and was concerned about integration with the head unit. And while I may get chewed out for saying this, we are talking about car audio so how good can it really get. I figured for the price I paid and the effort I had to put in that the Kicker would be a suitable option. (I also thought that at least if i ever wanted to swap it out i had all the cable run already!) However, I was not expecting to not have is a single way to adjust the output of the Kicker, not in the head unit and not on the amp. This just reinforces the fact that I do not like Kicker or their integration into these cars!

Anyways, I have been searching online today for answers and haven't found to much help. Looks like there are two options that require taking the dash apart again, but not really sure if I feel like doing that. (at least I didnt pay for installation )
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:51 PM   #8733
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:57 PM   #8734
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People are swooned by having cars with AWD and traction control. If you had to make a quick stop or a turn on the Yokos, you are going to run into something.
Not so much, snows would be better but don't knock the regular all seasons till you've run em in the snow like I did. Perfectly adequate for all but extreme conditions, you are more likely to run into trouble with other drivers running into you, so slowing down a bit makes sense anyway.
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:15 PM   #8735
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People are swooned by having cars with AWD and traction control. If you had to make a quick stop or a turn on the Yokos any tires made on this planet or any other planet, you are going to run into something.
Tires aren't magic and they can't defy elemental physics.

I'm sure some tires are better than others, but on ice, if you don't have steel studs, really, what are we talking about here?
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:25 PM   #8736
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Trip to snow in Lake Tahoe. Car handled great heavy snow at 5,000 feet. Donner summit almost 7,000ft. Snow slushy icy solid sheet inches thick pounded down by snow plows. No sliding great traction. Going down from summit to lake level steep hill used manual and paddle shifters held car steady. I'm really impressed with this car. Premium sedan cvt transmission standard tires.
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:29 PM   #8737
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Well I though I solved the cranking problem by just turning the key to the accessory position, waiting a few seconds, then starting the car. I went a 2 or 3 weeks without a problem doing this.

Last night leaving work, I did the accessory position for 5 seconds, started the car, then immediately died. Waited a few seconds, started cranking... cranking... cranking... It took probably 6 seconds before it finally started up, then it was running rough for a few seconds until it start idling normally.

Not pleased... If I could return this car for a refund I would do it in a heartbeat.

The problem isn't bad gas or something like that, I've had the problem with gas from 4 different filling stations. Also I tested the battery and that seems to be perfectly fine.
Have you been to the dealership about it, or talked to them? I did the turn to accessories trick for a few days but just started turning it normally again, haven't had any long starts since the first couple of days (and only had it twice to begin with).
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:29 PM   #8738
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Even if you have studded tires, stay off the roads when it is icy unless you absolutely need to be out there.

You may not have to worry about your car going off the road, but the other yokels who made the same bad decision as you did going out driving may be seeing your car close up as they slide into you.

We had a very bad ice storm a few years back when I worked at a gym --- I was only a 1/2 mile away so I made it to work (just a little late). I could not believe the number of idiots who drove on untreated icy roads because they didn't want to miss their workout.
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:31 PM   #8739
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Not so much, snows would be better but don't knock the regular all seasons till you've run em in the snow like I did. Perfectly adequate for all but extreme conditions, you are more likely to run into trouble with other drivers running into you, so slowing down a bit makes sense anyway.
I live in Maine. Right now the road in front of my house (which doesn't get plowed often) is hard packed ice and snow. I gotta drive about a mile just to get to an area where I can see pavement. I have 4K miles on my car and I have driven through plenty of snow all over the northeast and down to PA where I ran into a couple of freak storms. Heck I almost plowed into the back of someone already trying to slow down from ~30MPH on a 4% grade highway descent. Right when I hit the brakes, the ABS fired up and I was just along for the ride until I stopped just a few feet from the next car up (who was stopped due to an accident just ahead of us). The tires suck for "all season" tires.
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:33 PM   #8740
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While I thank you for being the only person to reply to me, you didnt answer a single question!
Sorry.

I hear good things about the Polk 651s to replace the door speakers.
I haven't heard anything good about the Subaru subwoofer.

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Old 01-21-2012, 08:35 PM   #8741
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Have you been to the dealership about it, or talked to them? I did the turn to accessories trick for a few days but just started turning it normally again, haven't had any long starts since the first couple of days (and only had it twice to begin with).
Dealer said they haven't heard of anyone else having the problem and tried the "bad gas" excuse. With this car being so new, I will see how it goes and hope everyone else brings their car in to be a guinea pig before I go in.

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Old 01-21-2012, 08:57 PM   #8742
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People are swooned by having cars with AWD and traction control. If you had to make a quick stop or a turn on the Yokos, you are going to run into something.
i did some turns, semi-hard breaking, acceleration, during my comfortable speed and it was FINE. don't think it will make a big enough difference to spend $650 to get a new set of all-seasons & have them mounted.

i mean if they were horrible, i understand, but it performed well to my standards. yes i do have some experience with a set of Dunlop Snow tires on an Audi Quattro, all seasons on CRV, MDX, sport summers on BMWs in the blizzard...etc
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Old 01-21-2012, 09:14 PM   #8743
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I live in Maine. Right now the road in front of my house (which doesn't get plowed often) is hard packed ice and snow. I gotta drive about a mile just to get to an area where I can see pavement. I have 4K miles on my car and I have driven through plenty of snow all over the northeast and down to PA where I ran into a couple of freak storms. Heck I almost plowed into the back of someone already trying to slow down from ~30MPH on a 4% grade highway descent. Right when I hit the brakes, the ABS fired up and I was just along for the ride until I stopped just a few feet from the next car up (who was stopped due to an accident just ahead of us). The tires suck for "all season" tires.
If I lived in Maine or Alaska or Colorado I would run snow tires. Most people who have snow aren't going to need snow tires. I am in upstate NY in the hilltowns outside of Albany -- the OEM tires are fine around here and more than fine if you don't live in hilly areas.

Maybe after a year of driving on them I will feel the need for better tires next winter where I live. For now it is not necessary.
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Old 01-21-2012, 09:16 PM   #8744
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If I lived in Maine or Alaska or Colorado I would run snow tires. Most people who have snow aren't going to need snow tires. I am in upstate NY in the hilltowns outside of Albany -- the OEM tires are fine around here and more than fine if you don't live in hilly areas.

Maybe after a year of driving on them I will feel the need for better tires next winter where I live. For now it is not necessary.
I would buy better tires however I don't have a feeling that I am going to keep this car for very long due to a variety of other problems with it
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Old 01-21-2012, 09:45 PM   #8745
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If I lived in Maine or Alaska or Colorado I would run snow tires. Most people who have snow aren't going to need snow tires. I am in upstate NY in the hilltowns outside of Albany -- the OEM tires are fine around here and more than fine if you don't live in hilly areas.

Maybe after a year of driving on them I will feel the need for better tires next winter where I live. For now it is not necessary.
Same feeling here in MN. The stock tires did well yesterday in our first snowfall in over a month. I'm thinking they will last until fall of next year, by then they'll be over 30K miles and probably wearing (as stock tires tend to do...) at which point I'll get a nice set of well reviewed all-seasons with a longer tread life.
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Old 01-21-2012, 09:52 PM   #8746
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Tires aren't magic and they can't defy elemental physics.

I'm sure some tires are better than others, but on ice, if you don't have steel studs, really, what are we talking about here?

It's a pet peeve of mine, so bear with me...

Bridgestone Blizzaks (and maybe the other 'ice' tires) are truely phenominal on ice and hard-packed, smooth snow. I've seen cars in front of me go sideways on the black ice that forms under overpasses, and I never feel the lack of traction. Since the only way we have of avoiding a car headed towards us is to accel, corner, or brake hard, winter tires are insurance with benefits.
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Old 01-21-2012, 09:58 PM   #8747
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What is this witchcraft of which you speak?
It's a quote from the web...

It probably means parking lights or headlights.
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Old 01-21-2012, 10:02 PM   #8748
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I put the 65 watt H9 bulbs in the low beams today. That extra 10 watts makes a huge difference in light output. Now I can actually see the road with a dozen cars' maladjusted lowbeams in my eyes.

For those of you wanting to do this, pliers-type toenail clippers will clip off the inner tab that would otherwise prevent this bulb plugging into the Imps electrical connector.
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Old 01-21-2012, 10:02 PM   #8749
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I am astounded the people here that are willing to spend more for an AWD vehicle (and the increased fuel), but too cheap to spend $500 on a proper set of snow tires.
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Old 01-21-2012, 10:12 PM   #8750
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I am astounded the people here that are willing to spend more for an AWD vehicle (and the increased fuel), but too cheap to spend $500 on a proper set of snow tires.
Fully agreed. Commuting up mountains on my first pair of Blizzaks on a front wheel drive car over ten years ago sold me. I'd take snow tires over AWD any day. I've had Hankook iPikes and now Michelin X-Ice since then. All incredibly good, but the Michelin are the best I've used.

These things work incredibly well, and they're pretty cheap insurance. No, they're not magical, but they're darn close to it, and they are still soft enough at low temperatures to grip well, with or without snow (unlike summer/all season tires, which get hard/ungrippy when the temps are really low). Snow tires rock!

Compare it with being an awesome athlete wearing cheap summer shoes or a bad athlete wearing good winter shoes. Which one do you think will slip around more in the snow and ice when walking around? My bet is the one with the bad shoes. My dad always said, shoes make the man. Similarly, tires make the car.
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