2012 Impreza thread

[ans2k]

Originally Posted by jr0bb5

What is that cutout in the center of the rear diffuser for anyway?

covered a baggillion times. EURO REAR FOG LIGHT. though i wish we, US, had one.

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[doomedromance]

While I'm waiting for paint to dry...
I'll upload some crappy cell phone pic teasers.

Starting with when I picked up the car from the port.


The later in the night of the day I brought it home I changed the shift knob with a wrx one I picked up for $17 (S&H included) off ebay.



...and tonight.

[CLL_OBP]

Originally Posted by doomedromance

While I'm waiting for paint to dry...
I'll upload some crappy cell phone pic teasers.

Starting with when I picked up the car from the port.

Interesting. Your brand new car didn't go to the dealership but you pick it up at the port yourself? I bought my first Subaru in Hawaii but sold it before I left and had another car shipped from the port to New Jersey.

[WLS]

Originally Posted by jr0bb5

What is that cutout in the center of the rear diffuser for anyway?

I believe it is for a European requirement for a rear Fog/Safety light.

from wikipedia

In Europe and other countries adhering to ECE Regulation 48, vehicles must be equipped with one or two bright red rear lamps" (or "fog taillamps"), which serve as high-intensity rear position lamps to be energized by the driver in conditions of poor visibility to enhance vehicle conspicuity from the rear. The allowable range of intensity for a rear fog lamp is 150 to 300 candela which is within the range of a U.S. stop lamp. For this reason, some European vehicles imported to the United States have their rear fog lamps wired as stop lamps, since their European-specification stop lamps may not be sufficiently intense to comply with U.S. regulations, and in North America rear fog lamps are not required equipment. However, they are permitted, and are found almost exclusively on European-brand vehicles in North America — Audi, Jaguar, Mercedes, MINI, Land Rover, Porsche, Saab and Volvo provide functional rear fog lights on their North American models.

[Haunty]

I saw a car a few months ago with two rear fog lights on, it was a clear sunny day

[ST Eye]

Originally Posted by jr0bb5

What is that cutout in the center of the rear diffuser for anyway?

Rear foglight for the European countries.

[Furiousd1983]

Sure it's not for a trailer hitch?

[doomedromance]

Originally Posted by CLL_OBP

Interesting. Your brand new car didn't go to the dealership but you pick it up at the port yourself? I bought my first Subaru in Hawaii but sold it before I left and had another car shipped from the port to New Jersey.

I bought it out of state. Even having to pay to ship it because Servco wouldn't work with my dealer I saved money from buying it in Hawaii. And I got the exact car I wanted, which Servco wouldn't do either.

[Pickler]

someone needs to dyno their 2012 impreza cvt. i would like to see the torque curve.

[flyboy1100]

Originally Posted by Pickler

someone needs to dyno their 2012 impreza cvt. i would like to see the torque curve.

Lol, really?

[ST Eye]

Torque? What torque?

[auskip07]

Originally Posted by Pickler

someone needs to dyno their 2012 impreza cvt. i would like to see the torque curve.

4 wheel dynos seem to be hard to find where i am.

[ans2k]

Not only is a NA 4 cylinder synonymous with no torque but so is boxer engine. You bought the wrong car to wonder what torque is.

[SleepNMnky]

If anyone in Buffalo or the tri-state area for that matter is still looking... was at the dealership this morning & they had about 7 or 8, mostly hatches on the lot. One blue two-tone. Check West Herr inventory online.

Edit: Correction... they have 15 in stock, not in transit... http://www.westherr.com/find-a-car/n...&search=search

If you do... ask for Martin

[Pickler]

Originally Posted by ans2k

Not only is a NA 4 cylinder synonymous with no torque but so is boxer engine. You bought the wrong car to wonder what torque is.

you know i said torque CURVE right? i have to disagree, i have plenty of dyno graphs showing 90-95% of torque achieved at 2500rpm for 08-11 impreza. subaru claims even better torque curve (broader) for the new impreza. i have driven cars like tsx, corolla xrs, elantra, sentra with none providing so much low end grunt. the tsx was the worst of the lot requirig 5000 revs just to merge at speed limit.

08 2.5i 5 speed.

142ftlb at 2500rpm and peaks (thanks to AVLS) at 147ftlb at 4400rpm only 5ftlb more! very flat torque curve like a v8 almost. flat torque curve helps with city driving and fuel economy.

[auskip07]

Originally Posted by Pickler

you know i said torque CURVE right? i have to disagree, i have plenty of dyno graphs showing 90-95% of torque achieved at 2500rpm for 08-11 impreza. subaru claims even better torque curve (broader) for the new impreza. i have driven cars like tsx, corolla xrs, elantra, sentra with none providing so much low end grunt. the tsx was the worst of the lot requirig 5000 revs just to merge at speed limit.

08 2.5i 5 speed.

142ftlb at 2500rpm and peaks at 147ftlb at 4400rpm only 5ftlb more! very flat torque curve like a v8 almost. flat torque curve helps with city driving and fuel economy.

i like it. Nice and consistent.

[CLL_OBP]

Originally Posted by doomedromance

I bought it out of state. Even having to pay to ship it because Servco wouldn't work with my dealer I saved money from buying it in Hawaii. And I got the exact car I wanted, which Servco wouldn't do either.

I can imagine it did work out better for you that way. I forgot about that ridiculous mark up on new cars over there.

[doomedromance]

Originally Posted by CLL_OBP

I can imagine it did work out better for you that way. I forgot about that ridiculous mark up on new cars over there.

Sport Premium CVT market average is $21,700.
Here they're selling it for $23,000+ with no USAA or Costco discounts.
I paid $20,500 for my MT, which Servco wouldn't even try to order me.

My dealer went through all the trouble of ordering it and getting it shipped to me for like $1000 profit.

[sgoldste01]

Originally Posted by auskip07

i like it. Nice and consistent.

This torque discussion gets my attention because my previous car was a 2010 VW Golf TDI diesel (MK6), which made 140 hp and 236 lb-ft torque. The Impreza makes 148 hp and 145 lb-ft torque. One of my biggest satisfaction concerns in going from the TDI to the Impreza was being disappointed with Subaru's torque.

I'm happy to report that the Impreza engine feels much peppier to me than I thought it would (I have the 5-speed MT, which probably helps in this regard). The Impreza pulls through 1st and 2nd gears quite strongly. I probably notice the lower torque the most in 3rd gear, but that's mainly when I've let the RPMs get lower than I should. When climbing a steep hill that the TDI could take in 5th gear, the Impreza might require a downshift to 4th.

Don't get me wrong; I notice the difference. But it's not like I'm driving around all the time thinking that my Impreza is a dog. On the contrary, it's quite peppy most of the time, and only feels weak to me on rare occasions. As the engine breaks in and I learn its dynamics better, I can certainly minimize those occasions even more.

So no significant complaints from this former TDI torquehead. And that's saying something. Now if Subaru ever brings their diesel Imprezas to the US, that would make me jealous. I'm guessing this won't happen anytime soon, though. VW and Bosch (who manufactures the high-pressure fuel pump) have been struggling with the lower quality of American diesel fuel, and Subaru probably doesn't want to get involved with that mess. And then there's the TDI's intercooler icing problems. And the TDI's EGR valve failure problems. And...

[flyboy1100]

Originally Posted by sgoldste01

So no significant complaints from this former TDI torquehead. And that's saying something. Now if Subaru ever brings their diesel Imprezas to the US, that would make me jealous. I'm guessing this won't happen anytime soon, though. VW and Bosch (who manufactures the high-pressure fuel pump) have been struggling with the lower quality of American diesel fuel, and Subaru probably doesn't want to get involved with that mess. And then there's the TDI's intercooler icing problems. And the TDI's EGR valve failure problems. And...

i saw something a few months back by one of the higher ups of subaru (CEO or President) anyway they said they will never bring a diesel to the US because there is no market for them here. I think they are insaine! the day they do, my impreza is getting traded in and i am ordering one

[auskip07]

Originally Posted by flyboy1100

i saw something a few months back by one of the higher ups of subaru (CEO or President) anyway they said they will never bring a diesel to the US because there is no market for them here. I think they are insaine! the day they do, my impreza is getting traded in and i am ordering one

I dont think they are that insane. the majority of people will buy Gas because its the most prevelant fuel source. If diesel was offered at every gas station then it would make a stronger push.

But if they made it an Orderable option i would think a few people would take advantage of it.

[sgoldste01]

A diesel powerplant will never be "an orderable option". It's too significant of a change, not something relatively minor like a sunroof or upgraded stereo.

As a former diesel owner, I didn't find the availability of diesel fuel to be a major problem. Around home, I had my favorite fueling station that I used 95% of the time. When out of town, I would look for stations that advertised diesel on their signage out by the road. The only issue I sometimes encountered was pulling into a diesel fueling station that only catered to truckers, and therefore only had fueling nozzles that were too big in diameter for my car.

The biggest inconvenience was the questionable quality of US diesel fuel. Many TDI owners are having issues with their High Pressure Fuel Pumps (HPFPs) grenading themselves because our fuel doesn't have as much lubricity as the fuel in Europe or even Canada. I was lucky to have a relatively convenient source of B100 (100% biodiesel) near my home, so I would buy 5 gallons of that at a time, and then add 1 quart to my tank with each fill up (biodiesel provides the best lubricity of any additive on the market, and even quantities as low as B2 in your tank provide excellent lubricity). Dealing with the B100 was tedious, but I did it out of love for and protection of my car.

I would definitely not recommend a diesel car to anyone who wasn't a vigilant enthusiast, especially a VW TDI. If you're looking for a fuel-and-go appliance car, a TDI is not for you. And, with all the crap my VW dealership and VWoA put me through, I can't recommend a VW (or Audi) product to anybody.

Would a Subaru-branded diesel car have these issues here in the US? I don't know. I definitely wouldn't buy one until they've been here on our shores for at least a couple of years.

I'd love to own a BMW 335d. Now that's the mother of all diesel cars, in my opinion.

[FourOhFour]

Originally Posted by auskip07

I dont think they are that insane. the majority of people will buy Gas because its the most prevelant fuel source. If diesel was offered at every gas station then it would make a stronger push.

Also, if they came out with a diesel, where would those customers be coming from? I bet most of them have already settled on the Impreza. They certainly would sell diesels, but I don't know that they'd gain that many customers overall.

Now, if their competition had diesels, that'd probably change, since it'd be another factor in the competition's favor. But right now, if diesel is your primary concern, your only options are, what, VW, BMW, or a truck/suv? A diesel Impreza might take some people who would otherwise buy a TDI Jetta, but it isn't going to touch the others.

[Furiousd1983]

Four, one thing ill say in retort. Look at how many jettas and non-gti golfs on the road are tdi's and how many are 2.5 5 cyl. That shows me that there is a market for sub 30k diesels in this country. Hell they may be the only sub 40k diesels in this country. Before I ordered my impreza. I had a deal done on a 2011 tdi sportwagen. Had vw of south clt not jerked me around for a week and a half on a dealer transfer. I would own it instead of the impreza.

[flyboy1100]

Originally Posted by Furiousd1983

Four, one thing ill say in retort. Look at how many jettas and non-gti golfs on the road are tdi's and how many are 2.5 5 cyl. That shows me that there is a market for sub 30k diesels in this country. Hell they may be the only sub 40k diesels in this country. Before I ordered my impreza. I had a deal done on a 2011 tdi sportwagen. Had vw of south clt not jerked me around for a week and a half on a dealer transfer. I would own it instead of the impreza.

I know a few people that would only buy a Subaru offered in diesel, but not ever a gas powered one.


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