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Old 08-01-2012, 05:18 PM   #13401
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I got Ivory interior... Not a big fan of it, but it was cause White and Black exterior only came in.. ivory interior. I wish it had black interior like the Canadians.

If anyone wants to swap black seats for my ivory, let me know
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Old 08-01-2012, 06:40 PM   #13402
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Okay those with the Ivory interior... how is it holding up? Stains or just dirty yet? Any advice on if there's a product to keep it clean?

Edit: Looking at a 2012 Impreza for the wife.
That was my concern too but my anal retentiveness about the cleanliness my cars (so I've been told) has kept it up nice. I've had the car almost 6 months and I'm halfway through my second bottle of Meguiar's Gold Class Rich Leather Cleaner/Conditioner.
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Old 08-01-2012, 07:07 PM   #13403
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Anyone put fuel in and have it NOT register on the digital readouts? This is the second time for me. I put 15 in and get zero miles and zero bars. I know 15 usually makes it say 100 miles.. wtf? Oh, and I have the formentioned seat squeak as well.
Once, about a month ago and the engine was off . It was okay after waiting about 30 seconds and putting the key back in. I always fillip at half tank.
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:00 PM   #13404
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how did you measure distance with the gps?
I have an Eco meter feature on my GPS to track fuel economy. Gives you a percentage of max fuel economy on display while driving & it allows you to track distance per trip to run your MPG figures against it. I've checked multiple trips with it. My speedometer is also spot on with the MPH the GPS is showing me at.
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:08 PM   #13405
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To those of you who replaced your 5MT transmission fluid and rear diff fluid with Amsoil Severe Gear 75W90:

I'm about to do this job myself (my Amsoil order just came in). The service manual says to use Three Bond 1105 on the rear diff drain and fill plugs, and to install a new gasket on the tranny drain plug.

Did you guys do this? The closest Subie dealership to me doesn't even stock the Three Bond product in their parts department.
I contacted Permatex directly. This is the equivalent product they recommend for Three Bond 1105:

http://www.permatex.com/products/Aut...ad_Sealant.htm

Just picked up a tube at AutoZone.
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:27 PM   #13406
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I have an Eco meter feature on my GPS to track fuel economy. Gives you a percentage of max fuel economy on display while driving & it allows you to track distance per trip to run your MPG figures against it. I've checked multiple trips with it. My speedometer is also spot on with the MPH the GPS is showing me at.
Interesting, i should look into something like that

tried out google tracks tonight on my Buick, odometer indicated 12.8 miles, gps 12.96. which is about right because the tires i have decrease odometer reading by 1.6%. going to try it tomorrow on the subaru.

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Old 08-01-2012, 09:52 PM   #13407
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I'm seeing lots of '12 Imprezas showing as 'in transit' at the local dealers. I'm guessing that the individual customer orders have been filled by now, and the dealers are getting one last shipment of 2012s.
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Old 08-02-2012, 07:56 AM   #13408
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Tracked my mileage this morning over 31 miles according to mile markers. Gps tracked 30.9, car was 29.9. So 3.24% off which is close to what i was guessing. Speedometer dead on accurate though
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Old 08-02-2012, 11:00 AM   #13409
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Tracked my mileage this morning over 31 miles according to mile markers. Gps tracked 30.9, car was 29.9. So 3.24% off which is close to what i was guessing. Speedometer dead on accurate though
Interesting test and unexpected results to have odometer off yet speedometer accurate -- you would think they would be off by the same percentage since speed is a factor of distance.

What's interesting with the low odometer reading is that it could explain why everyone manually calculates their actual mileage 3-5% worse than the trip computer indicates. If the trip computer is basing its distance based on speed (which you measured as dead-on) and time rather than from the odometer, it could mean that it is actually quite accurate.

Lots of assumptions here, though. Would need others to test and validate.

At the very least, it's nice to know that our 36k warranty is possibly extended by 3+% if your measurements are accurate.
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Old 08-02-2012, 02:08 PM   #13410
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I contacted Permatex directly. This is the equivalent product they recommend for Three Bond 1105:

http://www.permatex.com/products/Aut...ad_Sealant.htm

Just picked up a tube at AutoZone.
I've never had good luck with Permetex stuff. I usually use Honda Bond or Yama Bond. I would equate that with a better substitute for Three Bond.
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Old 08-02-2012, 02:14 PM   #13411
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I've never had good luck with Permetex stuff. I usually use Honda Bond or Yama Bond. I would equate that with a better substitute for Three Bond.
I'll let you know how it goes. The Permatex product is what I have, so that's what I'll use. I plan to do my tranny/diff fluid change tonight.
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Old 08-02-2012, 02:47 PM   #13412
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I'll let you know how it goes. The Permatex product is what I have, so that's what I'll use. I plan to do my tranny/diff fluid change tonight.
I didn't have a factory manual. When I removed the rear differential plugs they were very (very) hard to remove (not just to start backing them out, they were hard to remove all the way out). I did not notice any compound on the threads from the factory (let me know if you see something on them).

I applied an anti-sieze compound on the plug threads before I reinstalled them so in 100,000 miles they won't be impossible to remove.

If the permatex is like locktite I don't see any way those plugs are going to walk out on their own and require that.

I also reused the front plug washer as well. No leaks and don't think there will be any.

I wonder how many plugs have walked out? Honestly I think the odds of that happening are low -- the odds of a mechanic not properly tightening the plugs is probably much higher. Mine were tight when I finished. I'll check on them now occasionally but don't expect to find them leaking or removing themselves.

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Old 08-02-2012, 03:10 PM   #13413
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If the permatex is like locktite I don't see any way those plugs are going to walk out on their own and require that.
This Permatex product is not a Locktite type of product. Think of it more like Teflon tape you would use on plumbing fittings. My understanding is that with the differential drain plugs on our manual transmission Imprezas, the threads fit loosely enough that not using a product like this can result in leaks (for reasons I don't understand, the CVT-equipped Imprezas use a different style of drain plugs that require a gasket/washer rather than a thread sealant).

My concern with regard to using a generic anti-seize product, or even a gasket-making paste that isn't designed specifically for differentials/transmissions, is I've read that the additives in gear oils can be particularly harsh, so you must choose a product that is specially designed to withstand gear oils.

Here's the Technical Data Sheet:
http://www.permatex.com/documents/td...tive/59214.pdf

Also, this product is claimed to have some lubricating qualities, so it should also provide the anti-seize benefit you were looking for.

For what it's worth.
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Old 08-02-2012, 03:27 PM   #13414
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This Permatex product is not a Locktite type of product. Think of it more like Teflon tape you would use on plumbing fittings. My understanding is that with the differential drain plugs on our manual transmission Imprezas, the threads fit loosely enough that not using a product like this can result in leaks (for reasons I don't understand, the CVT-equipped Imprezas use a different style of drain plugs that require a gasket/washer rather than a thread sealant).

My concern with regard to using a generic anti-seize product, or even a gasket-making paste that isn't designed specifically for differentials/transmissions, is I've read that the additives in gear oils can be particularly harsh, so you must choose a product that is specially designed to withstand gear oils.

Here's the Technical Data Sheet:
http://www.permatex.com/documents/td...tive/59214.pdf

Also, this product is claimed to have some lubricating qualities, so it should also provide the anti-seize benefit you were looking for.

For what it's worth.
Sounds like a good idea, I'll check mine periodically but don't expect any problems as it hasn't leaked so far. The factory fill was pretty thin -- I think the Amsoil Severe Gear is thicker, but that was my impression watching it pour out.
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Old 08-02-2012, 04:15 PM   #13415
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Tracked my mileage this morning over 31 miles according to mile markers. Gps tracked 30.9, car was 29.9. So 3.24% off which is close to what i was guessing. Speedometer dead on accurate though

Chalk it up to the good resale value of Subaru.
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Old 08-02-2012, 04:44 PM   #13416
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Chalk it up to the good resale value of Subaru.
I'm not worried about it, and if i adjust manually calculated mpg by that percent i come out really close to what is indicated by the car (within .3mpg).

It is annoying when others say their odometers are correct though. I have checked mine probably 5 times, with various methods and all indicate the same results.
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:24 AM   #13417
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I'll let you know how it goes. The Permatex product is what I have, so that's what I'll use. I plan to do my tranny/diff fluid change tonight.
I did my tranny/rear diff fluid change last night. If you're interested in reading my observations of this process, go here:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...4#post37738404

Hope this helps.
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:29 AM   #13418
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Sounds like a good idea, I'll check mine periodically but don't expect any problems as it hasn't leaked so far. The factory fill was pretty thin -- I think the Amsoil Severe Gear is thicker, but that was my impression watching it pour out.
Zeeper, how dirty was your tranny and rear diff fluid when you changed it? My tranny fluid was reasonably clean looking, but the rear diff fluid was surprisingly dirty, with a lot of filings on the magnetic drain plug.

This is my first AWD car, so I don't know if this is normal or not for a car with only 2800 miles on the odometer.
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:56 AM   #13419
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Zeeper, how dirty was your tranny and rear diff fluid when you changed it? My tranny fluid was reasonably clean looking, but the rear diff fluid was surprisingly dirty, with a lot of filings on the magnetic drain plug.

This is my first AWD car, so I don't know if this is normal or not for a car with only 2800 miles on the odometer.
It is normal to have the rear diff fluid be dark and metallic looking (believe it or not), your manual tranny fluid should be clear without any particulates in it.
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Zeeper, how dirty was your tranny and rear diff fluid when you changed it? My tranny fluid was reasonably clean looking, but the rear diff fluid was surprisingly dirty, with a lot of filings on the magnetic drain plug.

This is my first AWD car, so I don't know if this is normal or not for a car with only 2800 miles on the odometer.
I also had a lot of metal in mine.

I think it is completely normal and ran across one manufacturer (luxury high end car BMW or similar) that requires the differential fluid be replaced after 500 or 1000 miles on their higher powered cars. That's when the majority of the break-in occurs.

Did you see factory sealant on your rear diff plugs? I re-checked mine this morning and no leakage after 1,800 miles (and I used anti-sieze instead of sealant)
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I also had a lot of metal in mine.

I think it is completely normal and ran across one manufacturer (luxury high end car BMW or similar) that requires the differential fluid be replaced after 500 or 1000 miles on their higher powered cars. That's when the majority of the break-in occurs.

Did you see factory sealant on your rear diff plugs? I re-checked mine this morning and no leakage after 1,800 miles (and I used anti-sieze instead of sealant)
Yes, I agree that it must be normal for the rear diff fluid to get nasty quickly. That's what people on this Forester forum thread are seeing too:

http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulle...uid-now-36162/

Regardless, seeing all that nastiness makes me glad I changed it early.

I didn't see what I could identify as factory sealant on my rear diff plugs. I saw some black on the threads, but thought it was probably just black paint from the rear diff housing. You'll probably be fine without it, but I would recommend using the Permatex thread sealant I used. It's cheap, easy to find (Autozone for me), should provide anti-seize benefits in the future, and is what Permatex recommends as the appropriate equivalent to the Three Bond 1105 product identified in the Subaru service manual. The peace of mind alone makes it worth the $5 I paid for the tube. Just make sure you follow the Permatex instructions listed on the packaging. There's more to using it correctly than randomly squeezing it onto the drain plugs' threads.
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Old 08-03-2012, 09:28 AM   #13422
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It is normal to have the rear diff fluid be dark and metallic looking (believe it or not), your manual tranny fluid should be clear without any particulates in it.
OK, good to know. That's what I suspected, but it was still surprising to see the rear diff fluid looking so grungy with less than 3k on the odometer. Makes me glad I changed the fluid, even if Subaru says it isn't required yet.
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OK, good to know. That's what I suspected, but it was still surprising to see the rear diff fluid looking so grungy with less than 3k on the odometer. Makes me glad I changed the fluid, even if Subaru says it isn't required yet.
Yup, you're good. You should see the same sort of discoloration if/when you change your amsoil fluid as well. If you start to see that in your 5speed tranny, then you have problems!
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Yup, you're good. You should see the same sort of discoloration if/when you change your amsoil fluid as well. If you start to see that in your 5speed tranny, then you have problems!
Did anyone else find that the 5MT tranny takes less fluid than documented? The service manual calls for 3.7 quarts, but mine took only 3.2 quarts. My factory fill registered the correct level on the tranny's dip stick, and I let it drain for a long time before installing the drain plug.
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:23 AM   #13425
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Did anyone else find that the 5MT tranny takes less fluid than documented? The service manual calls for 3.7 quarts, but mine took only 3.2 quarts. My factory fill registered the correct level on the tranny's dip stick, and I let it drain for a long time before installing the drain plug.
is it like a VW where there are 2 places you need to open to get it fully drained?
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