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Old 08-15-2012, 09:35 PM   #13526
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You shouldnt be able to press the brakes if your not in the car when it starts. It reads a open door as a voltage drain the same as it reads the brake lights as one. It cant tell the difference.

The point is to have a vehicle up to a comfortable temp when you get inside. Turning off is a safety feature.
You're not understanding....It makes more sense to have it shut off when the brake is applied instead of when a door opens. This way, you won't be in the car when you remote start it, but when you DO enter the car, all you have to do is turn the key to the on position and drive away! And, if someone enters your car to try to steal it, the steering column is still locked because the ignition switch is off, and once they hit the brakes to shift from park, the engine shuts down! How does that not seem more logical and convenient???

If "it can't tell the difference" then it's because THEY designed it that way. Almost every other OEM and aftermarket remote starters operate in the way I described above.


This is straight from the installation instructions for the remote start, at the end during the functional test:

4. BRAKE PEDAL SAFETY - While sitting in the vehicle with all doors and hatch/trunk closed, restart the vehicle
using the remote engine starter, press the brake pedal - The vehicle should shut off.
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Old 08-15-2012, 09:41 PM   #13527
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Technically speaking you can shift out of park without stepping on the brake, just use the shift lock override.

I think the bottom line is that if you don't want the car to stop running when opening the doors, buy an aftermarket remote start. For me, it's almost a moot point, as you are going to have to stick your keys in the ignition ANYWAY, so I don't see a big deal with turning it one extra click to start it.
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Old 08-15-2012, 09:49 PM   #13528
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It's not the one extra click that bothers me. What bothers me is the principal of the matter it defeats the purpose of using remote start. The other thing that bothers me is you're putting extra wear and tear on your starter AND your engine!!! That's what bothers me!
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Old 08-15-2012, 09:59 PM   #13529
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It's not the one extra click that bothers me. What bothers me is the principal of the matter it defeats the purpose of using remote start. The other thing that bothers me is you're putting extra wear and tear on your starter AND your engine!!! That's what bothers me!
The purpose of remote start is to warm up the car before you want to drive it. If the car stayed running when the door was opened, this would be a safety/theft hazard.

And I wouldn't worry about extra wear on the starter. How often do people complain about starters dying? Really...
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:02 PM   #13530
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I have the same gripe with the remote start. I understand your point ST Eye but it would be nice to be able to unlock the car after a remote start and open the door to get an ice scraper out to clean it off instead of having to restart it with the key. My thought is that if the other manufacturers and aftermarket remote start companies make their cars work with the brake lights being the trigger to shut the car down why is Subaru different? Can it be changed? I'll see if I can get an answer tomorrow.
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:04 PM   #13531
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It's not the one extra click that bothers me. What bothers me is the principal of the matter it defeats the purpose of using remote start. The other thing that bothers me is you're putting extra wear and tear on your starter AND your engine!!! That's what bothers me!
Ok got it, it bothers you. So then I would suggest getting an aftermarket one like I just mentioned. Do you have it installed already?
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:20 PM   #13532
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The purpose of remote start is to warm up the car before you want to drive it. If the car stayed running when the door was opened, this would be a safety/theft hazard.

And I wouldn't worry about extra wear on the starter. How often do people complain about starters dying? Really...
How is it a safety/theft hazard?? If they use the same technique as every other remote start out there, it is impossible to steal it with it running by remote start! How many times do I need to say that before you get it???

Ok I'll ignore the wear on the starter...how about the engine?!?!
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:33 PM   #13533
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How is it a safety/theft hazard?? If they use the same technique as every other remote start out there, it is impossible to steal it with it running by remote start! How many times do I need to say that before you get it???

Ok I'll ignore the wear on the starter...how about the engine?!?!
Many other automakers do this too. Like Ford, Mazda, Toyota, and VW.

Starting a warm engine causes about as much wear as just driving down the road normally.

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Old 08-15-2012, 10:33 PM   #13534
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How is it a safety/theft hazard?? If they use the same technique as every other remote start out there, it is impossible to steal it with it running by remote start! How many times do I need to say that before you get it???

Ok I'll ignore the wear on the starter...how about the engine?!?!
Engine wear is negligible. how about the extra .002 ounces of gas it uses?
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Old 08-16-2012, 03:01 AM   #13535
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@jsteg - trust me - we all get your point & we all had the same convo 8 months ago when we got our cars. We've all since then gotten used to it... & gotten over it. But like STEye said, if it frustrates you that much, get an aftermarket starter. The OEM starter does function the way IT IS SUPPOSED TO. The range & strength this signal has on the OEM unit far outweighs the annoyance & in about 2 weeks time you'll get used to it. Really.
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Old 08-16-2012, 04:12 AM   #13536
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Many other automakers do this too. Like Ford, Mazda, Toyota, and VW.

Starting a warm engine causes about as much wear as just driving down the road normally.
You can take Ford off the list, I know that first hand.

I wouldn't consider the engine to be warmed up in the amount of time it takes to walk 400 feet.
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Old 08-16-2012, 04:15 AM   #13537
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@jsteg - trust me - we all get your point & we all had the same convo 8 months ago when we got our cars. We've all since then gotten used to it... & gotten over it. But like STEye said, if it frustrates you that much, get an aftermarket starter. The OEM starter does function the way IT IS SUPPOSED TO. The range & strength this signal has on the OEM unit far outweighs the annoyance & in about 2 weeks time you'll get used to it. Really.
Yeah I get that but remember, I wasn't just ranting on here. I came with a question that thus far, nobody has given a direct answer for. All anybody has done is wanted to argue about why or why not the system is flawed.

I will take everyone's argument as an answer of "no" to my question.
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Old 08-16-2012, 08:58 AM   #13538
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I can see how you're annoyed and I was slightly too when I first found out about it. But in the end, I got it so I can warm up my car in the winter without having to go outside. That's the most important thing to me, and it does/will do that well.

I, for one, am extremely happy with my car thus far. I just got back from a road trip in a family member's 2009 Forester and I can say without a doubt my car is so much more comfortable than hers, and is leaps and bounds better than my old '00 Impreza I was driving earlier this year.
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:04 AM   #13539
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I have to thank all of you who reported those two TSB's for CVT and driveability. If I hadn't copied them from this forum, my dealer would have still been looking at me crazy! I went for an oil change yesterday and told him I'd would like those two bulletins done on my Impreza. At first he said he wasn't aware of any, then he said OH they were probably not needed and probably already have been done - WRONG - the car had a build date of November and nothing was done. I whipped out a copy of the TSB's from the forum and FINALLY had them performed. The engine breaking issue seems to be corrected, as for drivability, I really had no issues previously so I'll have to see with continued driving ,if I notice a difference.
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:18 AM   #13540
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:21 AM   #13541
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That's the power of forums for ya!

EDIT: Hey, I just got promoted to "Scooby Specialist"! I'm so proud!



I wonder what the next promotion is? Senior Scooby Specialist Extraordinaire?
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:30 AM   #13542
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Congrats to you brother!
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:41 AM   #13543
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Congrats to you brother!
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:47 AM   #13544
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600 posts or so to get there. It's time for me to go the off-topic forums and post my chocolate chip cookie recipe a few hundred times.
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:08 AM   #13545
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is the first oil change free? Or is that dealer specific?
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:19 AM   #13546
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is the first oil change free? Or is that dealer specific?
It must be dealer specific. My dealership didn't offer any free oil changes, but I know others here have that benefit. My dealership said they would change my wiper blades within the first 2 years, though.

Whatever. I wanted to put Amsoil in the car anyway, and I used the opportunity to teach my son how to do an oil change. So it's all good, except for the $$ I spent for supplies.
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:32 AM   #13547
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i hear you, i just ordered some Amsoil Signature for my second change after my 800 mile trip coming in just over a week. It will be replacing the XL i have in there now. will also be putting on the fumoto valve because I made a mess last time and don't expect much better results this time.

I was just curious, my dealer set up my first appt, but i skipped it because i didn't even have 1500 miles on the car.
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:43 AM   #13548
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will also be putting on the fumoto valve because I made a mess last time and don't expect much better results this time.
Yeah. Hot 0W20 oil comes out FAST!

A tube connected to the Fumoto's nipple will provide much better control.
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Old 08-16-2012, 12:04 PM   #13549
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Thoughts on the Fumoto valve? No chance of the valve opening with vibrations from the engine? Which application model is for our motor? F-108 or F-105?

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Old 08-16-2012, 12:11 PM   #13550
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Yeah. Hot 0W20 oil comes out FAST!
It sure does! That's one thing I don't like about 0W-20 oil, it so thin it comes out like water.
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