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Old 08-16-2012, 01:22 PM   #13551
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Thoughts on the Fumoto valve? No chance of the valve opening with vibrations from the engine?
I would have to say "no chance". Many people have been using these valves successfully for many thousands of miles. You have to first lift the lever up, pushing against a pretty strong spring. Then you need to rotate the lever 90 degrees to drain the oil. I don't see how vibration would move that lever; it's really stiff.

If you're worried about it, there is a clip you can buy that would absolutely prevent the lever from releasing. Fumoto recommends this for extreme users, like off roaders and farm equipment, but hey, if it helps you sleep at night, then go for it. Scroll down to the bottom of the page to see what I'm talking about:

http://www.fumotousa.com/

I guess it's a common part that you can buy at any hardware store. I'm guessing you would need a pair of pliers to install/remove this clip.
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Old 08-16-2012, 01:23 PM   #13552
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Which application model is for our motor? F-108 or F-105?
You actually want the F-108N, in order to get the model with the nipple that you can connect a hose to.

http://www.amazon.com/Fumoto-F-108N-Engine-Drain-Valve/dp/B003VCB9WC/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1345134254&sr=1-1&keywords=f-108nhttp://www.amazon.com/Fumoto-F-108N-Engine-Drain-Valve/dp/B003VCB9WC/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1345134254&sr=1-1&keywords=f-108n
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Old 08-16-2012, 01:31 PM   #13553
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I am having an issue with the transmission grinding during the first to second shift on my 2012 WRX. This happens rarely but enough to cause concern. Car has 4k miles on it with no mods. Happens maybe once in every 20 shifts at 4k RPM or higher. I have taken it to the dealer and they will not do anything about it unless I can replicate it for them. I have not been able to yet on 2 test drives. This is definitely not driver error as this is my 4th manual car, second Subaru and I have never had any issues with any of my other cars
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Old 08-16-2012, 02:13 PM   #13554
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I am having an issue with the transmission grinding during the first to second shift on my 2012 WRX. This happens rarely but enough to cause concern. Car has 4k miles on it with no mods. Happens maybe once in every 20 shifts at 4k RPM or higher. I have taken it to the dealer and they will not do anything about it unless I can replicate it for them. I have not been able to yet on 2 test drives. This is definitely not driver error as this is my 4th manual car, second Subaru and I have never had any issues with any of my other cars
No guarantees that this will work, and I agree that this shouldn't be necessary, but my next step would be to replace the tranny fluid with Amsoil Severe Gear in the appropriate weight for your car (my 2012 Impreza takes 75W90, but it's not a WRX).

While you're at it, replace the rear diff fluid too.

Then report back and let us know if there's any improvement. I changed my tranny/diff fluids at 2700 miles, and was surprised at how gross the rear diff fluid looked. Didn't see any changes in how the car shifted, but I wasn't having any problems either.
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Old 08-16-2012, 02:27 PM   #13555
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No guarantees that this will work, and I agree that this shouldn't be necessary, but my next step would be to replace the tranny fluid with Amsoil Severe Gear in the appropriate weight for your car (my 2012 Impreza takes 75W90, but it's not a WRX).

While you're at it, replace the rear diff fluid too.

Then report back and let us know if there's any improvement. I changed my tranny/diff fluids at 2700 miles, and was surprised at how gross the rear diff fluid looked. Didn't see any changes in how the car shifted, but I wasn't having any problems either.
I think I am going to play a little bit of hard ball with the dealer for them to fix it first before I do anything like that. That's a good final option though! Thanks!
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Old 08-16-2012, 03:31 PM   #13556
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You actually want the F-108N, in order to get the model with the nipple that you can connect a hose to.

http://www.amazon.com/Fumoto-F-108N-...eywords=f-108n
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Old 08-16-2012, 03:52 PM   #13557
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I am having an issue with the transmission grinding during the first to second shift on my 2012 WRX. This happens rarely but enough to cause concern. Car has 4k miles on it with no mods. Happens maybe once in every 20 shifts at 4k RPM or higher. I have taken it to the dealer and they will not do anything about it unless I can replicate it for them. I have not been able to yet on 2 test drives. This is definitely not driver error as this is my 4th manual car, second Subaru and I have never had any issues with any of my other cars
Might be your shift fork. I'm fighting Subaru on it right now. Here's what my mechanics retrieved of mine:



If it's misaligned from the factory like mine was it'll gradually wear down until it snaps.

Since your car has NO mods have it repaired under warranty. Feel free to use my pics for examples. I've now proven that my short ram intake and downpipe did not cause this failure, so after $1,500+ of repairs and almost 2 months without a car I'm going to take my case to Subaru for reimbursement.

There was another 3G WRX that had a wearing shift fork about to go out. I have no clue how common this problem is. If you do get it approved for warranty, know that a dealership on the East Coast is the only one stocking the part at the moment. You're looking at several weeks of wait, most likely.

Just spreading the word. Hope it's simple.
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Old 08-16-2012, 04:10 PM   #13558
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Might be your shift fork. I'm fighting Subaru on it right now. Here's what my mechanics retrieved of mine:



If it's misaligned from the factory like mine was it'll gradually wear down until it snaps.

Since your car has NO mods have it repaired under warranty. Feel free to use my pics for examples. I've now proven that my short ram intake and downpipe did not cause this failure, so after $1,500+ of repairs and almost 2 months without a car I'm going to take my case to Subaru for reimbursement.

There was another 3G WRX that had a wearing shift fork about to go out. I have no clue how common this problem is. If you do get it approved for warranty, know that a dealership on the East Coast is the only one stocking the part at the moment. You're looking at several weeks of wait, most likely.

Just spreading the word. Hope it's simple.
I sure hope you get them to reconsider picking up your bill. There is no excuse for them not too
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Old 08-16-2012, 04:38 PM   #13559
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Might be your shift fork. I'm fighting Subaru
Since your car has NO mods have it repaired under warranty. Feel free to use my pics for examples. I've now proven that my short ram intake and downpipe did not cause this failure, so after $1,500+ of repairs and almost 2 months without a car I'm going to take my case to Subaru for reimbursement.

There was another 3G WRX that had a wearing shift fork about to go out. I have no clue how common this problem is. If you do get it approved for warranty, know that a dealership on the East Coast is the only one stocking the part at the moment. You're looking at several weeks of wait, most likely.

Just spreading the word. Hope it's simple.

What are the symptoms of a bad shift fork? Grinding changing gears? Kinda makes me feel a bit uneasy about the whole situation as the car only has 4k on it and almost all of those are highway miles... 100+ mile commute 3-4 days a week plus a road trip. And definitely not abused either... I can count the times I have floored the car and or shifted at red line without taking off my shoes.
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Old 08-16-2012, 05:15 PM   #13560
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Yeah I get that but remember, I wasn't just ranting on here. I came with a question that thus far, nobody has given a direct answer for. All anybody has done is wanted to argue about why or why not the system is flawed.

I will take everyone's argument as an answer of "no" to my question.
Talking to the service guy at Hamilton in Irwin PA he said that they have tried making changes to the unit so it would not shut off with the doors opening and couldn't. He said that it looks at the door opening signal, not necessarily the interior light going on to turn the car off. I'll look around here for my paperwork that came with the starter to verify this as I think they included the installation instructions that may shed more light but I'm not holding my breath.
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Old 08-16-2012, 06:07 PM   #13561
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I sure hope you get them to reconsider picking up your bill. There is no excuse for them not too
Everyone under the sun agrees with you. I just talked to Robert with SoA. He was very nice. I opened up a Warranty Denial case and expecting to hear from a senior advisor by Monday at the latest. I let them know that this was my 5th Subaru that I've been trying to sell and I have Subaru #6 expected to arrive shortly, but have felt like I was thrown under the bus by the regional rep and am not sure if I want to stick with Subaru much longer.

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What are the symptoms of a bad shift fork? Grinding changing gears? Kinda makes me feel a bit uneasy about the whole situation as the car only has 4k on it and almost all of those are highway miles... 100+ mile commute 3-4 days a week plus a road trip. And definitely not abused either... I can count the times I have floored the car and or shifted at red line without taking off my shoes.
For me it was grinding gears. I would press in the clutch all the way, shift into 3rd, let go of the clutch, press the gas, but then it would grind as if I hadn't actually selected a gear. I'd quickly press the clutch and try again, trying to shift muuuuch slower. It would only happen sometimes, so I assumed I just got worse at driving, but then it started happening in 4th gear and when anyone else drove.

That's when I scheduled for it to be checked out. I was about to remove the downpipe, intake and tune since I was trying to sell the car anyways and make some extra money on those parts, but then the fork went out a week before the appointment. Terrible timing, especially since I've been trying to sell the car since last summer with a winter break thrown in there to give it one last shot to make a good impression on me. It didn't, so car's gotta go.

I'm just bummed that I was 100% honest and felt my mods were minimal, but was backhanded anyways. Also bummed that on page 16 of the current issue of Subaru's Drive Performance magazine there's an entire section about modifying your WRX for the streets.
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Old 08-16-2012, 06:48 PM   #13562
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Everyone under the sun agrees with you. I just talked to Robert with SoA. He was very nice. I opened up a Warranty Denial case and expecting to hear from a senior advisor by Monday at the latest. I let them know that this was my 5th Subaru that I've been trying to sell and I have Subaru #6 expected to arrive shortly, but have felt like I was thrown under the bus by the regional rep and am not sure if I want to stick with Subaru much longer.



For me it was grinding gears. I would press in the clutch all the way, shift into 3rd, let go of the clutch, press the gas, but then it would grind as if I hadn't actually selected a gear. I'd quickly press the clutch and try again, trying to shift muuuuch slower. It would only happen sometimes, so I assumed I just got worse at driving, but then it started happening in 4th gear and when anyone else drove.

That's when I scheduled for it to be checked out. I was about to remove the downpipe, intake and tune since I was trying to sell the car anyways and make some extra money on those parts, but then the fork went out a week before the appointment. Terrible timing, especially since I've been trying to sell the car since last summer with a winter break thrown in there to give it one last shot to make a good impression on me. It didn't, so car's gotta go.

I'm just bummed that I was 100% honest and felt my mods were minimal, but was backhanded anyways. Also bummed that on page 16 of the current issue of Subaru's Drive Performance magazine there's an entire section about modifying your WRX for the streets.
Mine is only the first to second shift. Clutch on the floor throw it in second and it grinds on its way in and wont go any further. Stick gets bounced back to neutral. Have to leave it in neutral, let out the clutch then shift back in to second... Then business as usual for shift after shift after shift... Then randomly again it grinds.
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Mine is only the first to second shift. Clutch on the floor throw it in second and it grinds on its way in and wont go any further. Stick gets bounced back to neutral. Have to leave it in neutral, let out the clutch then shift back in to second... Then business as usual for shift after shift after shift... Then randomly again it grinds.
Okay, that's pretty much what I was trying to describe. Take it to your local dealer and let them know you're aware of a similar issue that's currently going on with a 2011 WRX owner in Alaska. You'll need to see if a tech can replicate the problem, which is the only thing that kind of sucks. If you can have the transmission torn down and the part inspected you'll be able to see right away that it's the shift fork. Unfortunately shops use Mitchell rating for transmission teardowns, so even if it only takes them 2 hours to pull it they'll have to charge for 10 hours which is usually $1k.

Since it's just a selector it can't really be abused. Shift lever, syncros and gears would go first if there was actually abuse. Also let them know that you DID read the manual where it states to not rest your hand on the shifter while in motion.
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Old 08-16-2012, 07:20 PM   #13564
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Talking to the service guy at Hamilton in Irwin PA he said that they have tried making changes to the unit so it would not shut off with the doors opening and couldn't. He said that it looks at the door opening signal, not necessarily the interior light going on to turn the car off. I'll look around here for my paperwork that came with the starter to verify this as I think they included the installation instructions that may shed more light but I'm not holding my breath.
I know someone will find a work around eventually...just a matter of time...I could figure something out if I could see a schematic!
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Old 08-16-2012, 07:36 PM   #13565
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Okay, that's pretty much what I was trying to describe. Take it to your local dealer and let them know you're aware of a similar issue that's currently going on with a 2011 WRX owner in Alaska. You'll need to see if a tech can replicate the problem, which is the only thing that kind of sucks. If you can have the transmission torn down and the part inspected you'll be able to see right away that it's the shift fork. Unfortunately shops use Mitchell rating for transmission teardowns, so even if it only takes them 2 hours to pull it they'll have to charge for 10 hours which is usually $1k.

Since it's just a selector it can't really be abused. Shift lever, syncros and gears would go first if there was actually abuse. Also let them know that you DID read the manual where it states to not rest your hand on the shifter while in motion.

There's no way I will pay them to tear into the transmission on a bone stock car with 4k on it.... If Subaru won't fix it under warranty that is absurd.
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Old 08-16-2012, 07:44 PM   #13566
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I totally agree..only 4K on the odometer?
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Old 08-16-2012, 07:48 PM   #13567
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I totally agree..only 4K on the odometer?

Yes... its a 2012... I purchased it in May. has 4k on the odometer.
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Old 08-16-2012, 07:57 PM   #13568
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There's no way I will pay them to tear into the transmission on a bone stock car with 4k on it.... If Subaru won't fix it under warranty that is absurd.
Make sure you tell THEM that. It would be in your best interest to call Subaru to open up a case number first. Then tell that case number to your service advisor.

Subaru phone rep can email the case number to you for record-keeping.
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:50 AM   #13569
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Yeah I get that but remember, I wasn't just ranting on here. I came with a question that thus far, nobody has given a direct answer for. All anybody has done is wanted to argue about why or why not the system is flawed.

I will take everyone's argument as an answer of "no" to my question.
True. I left that out as well. Up to this point as far as I know nobody has found a work around. IIRC there was one suggestion that involved removing or disconnecting something that effected something else like lights so that work around was thrown out & haven't heard a word on it since.
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:52 AM   #13570
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600 posts or so to get there. It's time for me to go the off-topic forums and post my chocolate chip cookie recipe a few hundred times.
I don't think OT posts count towards your # of posts until Scooby Specialist.
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I don't think OT posts count towards your # of posts until Scooby Specialist.
Yeah OT posts don't count. Like when I posted a few hundred times in the "big thread" when it was in OT. When it was moved to the Impreza forum, the posts counted.
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Old 08-17-2012, 01:28 PM   #13572
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What is everyone's opinion on waiting for the 2013 vs grabbing a 2012 at a bit of discount right now. I'm looking for a 5 speed, premium sedan, and a dealer by me has the exact car arriving on the lot this weekend. I was planning on per-ordering a 2013 which they said would arrive in November.

From what I can tell the changes are minimal, but I wonder if Subaru has made any tweaks that we don't know about.

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Old 08-17-2012, 01:41 PM   #13573
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I would go for the 2012 instead and get a little discount on the insurance...
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Mine is only the first to second shift. Clutch on the floor throw it in second and it grinds on its way in and wont go any further. Stick gets bounced back to neutral. Have to leave it in neutral, let out the clutch then shift back in to second... Then business as usual for shift after shift after shift... Then randomly again it grinds.
Bad second gear synchro.
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Bad second gear synchro.
I don't know man a bad synchro usually doesn't do it randomly like he's describing, it'll usually do it all the time.
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