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Old 12-11-2012, 02:28 PM   #14851
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have them send you that in writing, till then I would stick with what the manual says. trusting customer support
even soa is not always a good thing.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:29 PM   #14852
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I've called around to 12 different Subaru dealerships around my area and around Pennsylvania and all of them state that this is the new filter to be used on 2012 impreza 2.0i models.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:32 PM   #14853
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If that's true, then this might be a good time to buy up a stash of the black filters.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:43 PM   #14854
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If that's true, then this might be a good time to buy up a stash of the black filters.
What could be the harm? the dealerships and soa are the ones that have to fix them when they explode. what would they gain from giving bad information besides more warrantee claims?
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:07 PM   #14855
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I thought I read on the Bob is the Oil Guy site that the black Roki filters were better quality than the blue Honeywell filters.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:34 PM   #14856
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Oh i didnt know they were made by different manufacturers. Interesting.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:39 PM   #14857
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I'm guessing that the blue filters are cheaper for subaru to buy and that's why they're switching?

I just bought a six pack of the black filters off of eBay and will prob continue buying those as long as they're available... or something comes to light about the blue filters being better or required for warranty purposes.
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Old 12-11-2012, 04:13 PM   #14858
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For warranty purposes, you can use any color or brand of filter.
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Old 12-11-2012, 05:03 PM   #14859
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I just had my 1st oil change done last week Tuesday and they did it with the black filter, I also picked up a couple extra to do my own the next couple of times, glad I did.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:19 PM   #14860
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I just bought a six pack of the black filters off of eBay...
I just did the same. That will give me a couple of years to hear how people like other part number/brands of oil filters. Until then, I feel comfortable sticking with the black filters.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:05 PM   #14861
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:10 AM   #14862
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I know that this is a rather potentially biased arena to be asking this in, but is there any serious reason for me to choose an Mazda 3 over an Impreza sport? I'm still in college, no family plans as of now, and like to hike, bike, and generally do outdoor activities. And drive. Obviously. Any advice? And no I don't want to turn this into a x vs y war.
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:10 AM   #14863
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I know that this is a rather potentially biased arena to be asking this in, but is there any serious reason for me to choose an Mazda 3 over an Impreza sport? I'm still in college, no family plans as of now, and like to hike, bike, and generally do outdoor activities. And drive. Obviously. Any advice? And no I don't want to turn this into a x vs y war.
Have you test driven both of them yourself yet?
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:42 AM   #14864
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I know that this is a rather potentially biased arena to be asking this in, but is there any serious reason for me to choose an Mazda 3 over an Impreza sport? I'm still in college, no family plans as of now, and like to hike, bike, and generally do outdoor activities. And drive. Obviously. Any advice? And no I don't want to turn this into a x vs y war.
Is AWD kinda a want or is AWD kinda a need?

For example, do you live in Vermont or Mississippi?

That would be my first consideration.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:11 AM   #14865
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Here's what I think Dirt should do. He should (if he hasn't already) test drive both cars. Then he should report his findings back to us. What does he prefer about the Impreza over the Mazda3? What does he prefer about the Mazda3 over the Impreza?

With that info, we'll be able to confirm or refute his observations.

But I hope that Dirt isn't trying to make a major purchase decision based upon the opinions of active forum members. People on this forum will be biased toward the Impreza. If Dirt is being fair, he's posted similar questions on a Mazda3 forum, where he will get responses from people who are biased toward the Mazda.

So I'm hoping that he gets some of his own seat time in both cars, and only uses the forums to confirm his own observations.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:34 AM   #14866
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Actually I would say that if he lives where AWD is a desire and not a need he should seriously consider the Mazda.

And vice versa.

There are too many southerners complaining about their poor MPG's when they bought AWD for the fun factor, or to drive in the rain.

I live where AWD is more important than MPG's, so when I get the Combined Average MPG printed on my sticker, and not much more, I am neither perplexed nor complaining.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:52 AM   #14867
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Subaru's efforts to improve the fuel economy of its cars is not only motivated by the government, but also to give its cars more universal appeal. When I decided to dump my 2010 Golf TDI, I wouldn't have considered the 2011 Impreza because of its MPGs, but the improved MPG rating of the 2012 Impreza allowed it onto my radar screen.

So as the fuel economy of Subaru's fleet improves, people who don't need AWD due to their local weather can still take advantage of Subaru's other benefits, such as solid build quality and reliability, a cleanly designed interior, nice ride, roomy back seat, good handling, and so on.

[NOTE: I live in Rochester, NY, which can get its fair share of snow. However, I've found that a front-wheel drive car with snow tires does quite nicely in Rochester winters, since Rochester's road-clearing capabilities are excellent. I'm guessing it's the same in Albany. So I'm looking forward to having some AWD fun this winter. But to say that I need AWD because I live in western NY would be untrue. It would be more accurate to say that I need snow tires, regardless of whether I'm driving a front-wheel drive car or an AWD car.]

But if fuel economy is the ultimate litmus test, then you're right--I'm sure the Mazda3 with the new Skyactive engine/tranny combo will get better MPGs than our Imprezas do.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:53 AM   #14868
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I know that this is a rather potentially biased arena to be asking this in, but is there any serious reason for me to choose an Mazda 3 over an Impreza sport? I'm still in college, no family plans as of now, and like to hike, bike, and generally do outdoor activities. And drive. Obviously. Any advice? And no I don't want to turn this into a x vs y war.
One thing that's important to me is where to go to start hiking etc. Is off road access important? You might consider the Crosstrek - the gearing is supposedly a little lower so you might get better real world mpg as well. Also, I don't think the Impreza has a receiver hitch option, where the Crosstrek does, if you carry your bikes off the back end.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:53 AM   #14869
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Subaru's efforts to improve the fuel economy of its cars is not only motivated by the government, but also to give its cars more universal appeal. When I decided to dump my 2010 Golf TDI, I wouldn't have considered the 2011 Impreza because of its MPGs, but the improved MPG rating of the 2012 Impreza allowed it onto my radar screen.

So as the fuel economy of Subaru's fleet improves, people who don't need AWD due to their local weather can still take advantage of Subaru's other benefits, such as solid build quality and reliability, a cleanly designed interior, nice ride, roomy back seat, good handling, and so on.

[NOTE: I live in Rochester, NY, which can get its fair share of snow. However, I've found that a front-wheel drive car with snow tires does quite nicely in Rochester winters, since Rochester's road-clearing capabilities are excellent. I'm guessing it's the same in Albany. So I'm looking forward to having some AWD fun this winter. But to say that I need AWD because I live in western NY would be untrue. It would be more accurate to say that I need snow tires, regardless of whether I'm driving a front-wheel drive car or an AWD car.]

But if fuel economy is the ultimate litmus test, then you're right--I'm sure the Mazda3 with the new Skyactive engine/tranny combo will get better MPGs than our Imprezas do.
Yes they do plow the roads, but I live in the hilltowns outside of albany, which are county roads that see much less maintenance. There is no direction I can drive that does not involve some very hilly, winding roads.

My last car was a FWD Elantra with Nokian WRG2 tires (All Weather, including a snow rating).

It was all over the place, and unsafe to drive where I live, even with new Nokians on it.

That's why I drive the Impreza now.

I would be tempted, if I was shopping this year, to buy a Suzuki Kizashi AWD at a $6,000 discount off MSRP... I test drove one and liked it. But at the time they were only offering $2,000 off, and I was a little worried they would pull out of the US market (which they are doing, explaining the big discounts)

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Old 12-12-2012, 10:04 AM   #14870
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I would be curious to see how the Elantra would have done with dedicated snow tires. Oh well, I guess we'll never know.
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Nokian WRG2 are phenomenal tires in the snow. They are not all seasons, they have a snow rating. In other words, they are snow tires. They may actually be my next all weather tires when I wear out the Yoko's. Then I might sell my winter tire/rim setup.

The fault with the Hyundai was the weight of the car, the FWD, and the lack of traction control. It wasn't a real issue until I moved into the hilltowns. For most people it would be passable, but still suck.

But if you want to buy the 2008 Hyundai Elantra I traded in and shoe it with the tire of your choice to prove your point, it is out there somewhere. Go for it.

We can wait until we get a good amount of unplowed snow, and I'll show you where to drive, and follow behind you in my Impreza, until I decide to pass you and go on my way.
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Here's what I think Dirt should do. He should (if he hasn't already) test drive both cars. Then he should report his findings back to us. What does he prefer about the Impreza over the Mazda3? What does he prefer about the Mazda3 over the Impreza?

With that info, we'll be able to confirm or refute his observations.

But I hope that Dirt isn't trying to make a major purchase decision based upon the opinions of active forum members. People on this forum will be biased toward the Impreza. If Dirt is being fair, he's posted similar questions on a Mazda3 forum, where he will get responses from people who are biased toward the Mazda.

So I'm hoping that he gets some of his own seat time in both cars, and only uses the forums to confirm his own observations.
Here's to answer you, and everyone else who responded to my post. I drove the automatic Mazda 3, the Manual Impreza, and the auto. My feelings are...mixed. The Imprezas suspension felt smoother, not exactly softer, but more refined. It didn't react much to small road feedback but in the turns or over heavy bumps it held and told me as much as I needed to know. The Mazda gave a bit more feedback, which was fun, and it seemed reasonably dampened. I really got to push the impreza a bit, which I didn't do in the mazda due to where I was, but I remember going into a turn about 15 to 20mph faster than I ever would in the old outback and never realizing it. Online reviews contradict each other, but all in all it seems like the impreza and mazda perform at about the same level, with the mazda having a better transmission and the impreza a slightly smoother ride. Cornering (which matters to me), appears to be about the same all in all. I don't NEED awd, but I'm used to having it in the outback, and I live in southern Ohio, where it does snow (it used to snow much more than it has in recent years), so I'm not sure if I'll need it again. Suffice it to say I've needed it in the past. I may move north in a couple of years, but that's no done deal as of now. I found the impreza manual had some good pep to its acceleration, and overall, I like the look of it much much better (the sport premium hatch). That said, I see the virtues of the Mazda and it seems like a very very good car at a slightly lower price. So that is where I'm at right now.
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But if you want to buy the 2008 Hyundai Elantra I traded in and shoe it with the tire of your choice to prove your point, it is out there somewhere. Go for it.

We can wait until we get a good amount of unplowed snow, and I'll show you where to drive, and follow behind you in my Impreza, until I decide to pass you and go on my way.
My intent was not to prove a point, but rather to express curiosity as to how the Elantra would perform on your hilly roads if shod with dedicated snow tires. I had no intention of pursuing the issue any further than asking the question.

But the attitude of your response peaked my curiosity even further, so I did a small amount of research. Here's what I found:

http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulle...-review-88013/

It sounds to me like tread wear is an issue with the WR G2 tire, and the traction is nothing to write home about once the snow gets deeper than a few inches. I'll take the writer's review as relevant in this discussion, since he tested the WR G2s on Subarus as well as a Mazda3, which is probably similarly light in weight to the Elantra.

My plan, on all three cars in my family, is to have two different sets of tires dedicated to the appropriate season. Yes, this requires extra expense, work, and storage considerations. But to me, it's worth it.

So I guess the real test would be for you to show me what roads to drive on with me in my Impreza wearing Blizzak WS60 snow tires, and with you in your Impreza wearing WR G2s.

Please don't start flaming me, Zeeper. While I know (and you know) that you piss some people off on this forum, I'm not one of them. I like you, and I both respect and agree with almost all of your opinions I've read. But if you come at me half-cocked simply because I asked a rhetorical question about how the Elantra would perform with dedicated snow tires, then I will defend myself.
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Here's to answer you, and everyone else who responded to my post. I drove the automatic Mazda 3, the Manual Impreza, and the auto. My feelings are...mixed. The Imprezas suspension felt smoother, not exactly softer, but more refined. It didn't react much to small road feedback but in the turns or over heavy bumps it held and told me as much as I needed to know. The Mazda gave a bit more feedback, which was fun, and it seemed reasonably dampened. I really got to push the impreza a bit, which I didn't do in the mazda due to where I was, but I remember going into a turn about 15 to 20mph faster than I ever would in the old outback and never realizing it. Online reviews contradict each other, but all in all it seems like the impreza and mazda perform at about the same level, with the mazda having a better transmission and the impreza a slightly smoother ride. Cornering (which matters to me), appears to be about the same all in all. I don't NEED awd, but I'm used to having it in the outback, and I live in southern Ohio, where it does snow (it used to snow much more than it has in recent years), so I'm not sure if I'll need it again. Suffice it to say I've needed it in the past. I may move north in a couple of years, but that's no done deal as of now. I found the impreza manual had some good pep to its acceleration, and overall, I like the look of it much much better (the sport premium hatch). That said, I see the virtues of the Mazda and it seems like a very very good car at a slightly lower price. So that is where I'm at right now.
Excellent feedback. I'm glad to hear that you've driven both cars already.

The three cars I considered when I was in the market were the Impreza, Focus, and Mazda3.
  • I decided against the Focus because the interior was too busy, and I didn't trust the reliability and resale value.
  • I decided against the Mazda3 because I can't stand the front end of the car, and the interior materials seemed cheap.
  • I chose the Impreza because I liked the layout of the dash and center stack controls (except for the seat heater buttons, which I hate). The rear seat legroom is excellent. I like the boxer engine. I've never had AWD before, but am looking forward to it this winter. And Subaru reliability and resale is excellent.

So that's how I made my choice back in June.

Hope this helps.
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My intent was not to prove a point, but rather to express curiosity as to how the Elantra would perform on your hilly roads if shod with dedicated snow tires. I had no intention of pursuing the issue any further than asking the question.

But the attitude of your response peaked my curiosity even further, so I did a small amount of research. Here's what I found:

http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulle...-review-88013/

It sounds to me like tread wear is an issue with the WR G2 tire, and the traction is nothing to write home about once the snow gets deeper than a few inches. I'll take the writer's review as relevant in this discussion, since he tested the WR G2s on Subarus as well as a Mazda3, which is probably similarly light in weight to the Elantra.

My plan, on all three cars in my family, is to have two different sets of tires dedicated to the appropriate season. Yes, this requires extra expense, work, and storage considerations. But to me, it's worth it.

So I guess the real test would be for you to show me what roads to drive on with me in my Impreza wearing Blizzak WS60 snow tires, and with you in your Impreza wearing WR G2s.

Please don't start flaming me, Zeeper. While I know (and you know) that you piss some people off on this forum, I'm not one of them. I like you, and I both respect and agree with almost all of your opinions I've read. But if you come at me half-cocked simply because I asked a rhetorical question about how the Elantra would perform with dedicated snow tires, then I will defend myself.
Sorry if you were taken aback, I got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

You missed that I stated the Nokian tires were brand new, so tread wear was not the issue.

They were replacing Vredestein All Weather tires (also a snow rating) that wore out very quickly (the thing that reviewer complained about). They were replaced early in the last winter that I had the car (2010), we had lots of snow that winter.

The real issue is my Hyundai with good tires only had traction at one front wheel (no traction control, lots of torque steer). Once that wheel got into trouble the car was all over the place. It wasn't pretty.

I've driven many FWD cars in the past, including an Audi 5000 that were far superior (they also didn't have traction control).

Since adding traction control was not an option, I didn't see the point in continuing to try out new tires to correct a problem that I think wasn't correctable with different tires.

I considered buying a new elantra to get traction control, but again the AWD is pretty appealing for the conditions I face within the first mile our of my driveway. I would say that a good percent of the people where I live have AWD vehicles, it makes sense, we are not in downtown Albany, but most people have to travel there (I work in Troy, which is a direction that has more hills, and roads that are less well maintained).

My Impreza with all seasons is superior to a Hyundai Elantra FWD with brand new Nokian WRG2's in the snow.

I didn't have the Nokians that long, but the treadwear looked superior to the Vredesteins that they replaced (tires that were rated at 50,000 miles but were shot at 15,000 miles -- the dealer honored the prorated tread life warranty when they sold me the Nokians).

I will probably buy the Nokians as stated. Every driver/car has a different effect on tread wear, and having driven on them myself I can say traction is adequate for wear I live, and wear should be comparable to other tires. They were noisier than my all seasons were, but that was my only complaint with them. Nokian makes superior tires IMHO.

I do have a dedicated winter set up now, but may not keep it depending upon when my Yoko's wear out.

My point really remains that buying AWD when you live where AWD isn't necessary is a compromise on MPG's. If you live in an area where safety driving in the snow is an issue, you cannot beat AWD no matter how good your tires are, particularly because if you have a FWD with studded snows, there is no more improvement possible, while if you have an AWD Impreza, you can always turn it into a tank by adding studded snows if that becomes necessary where you drive it.

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