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Old 02-03-2013, 12:26 PM   #15526
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Look at the new Forrester. If thats not influence I dont know what is.
Meh, I'm just not buying your argument. Here's the new Forester:



And here's the new RAV4:



Other than the basic body shape which is what makes for a crossover SUV, they look different enough that I won't agree with your argument that Toyota influenced the Subaru's design. I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree about this.

By the way, I prefer the Forester's look over the RAV4.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:36 PM   #15527
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Look at the 4runner.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:42 PM   #15528
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I guess it is still very Forrester. But it is looking slowly more like a tardota is what im saying. Perhaps the arguement of it looking more mainstream to sell more is valid. But i and just one person voicing my unimpressed opinion on this decision. Subaru wants to grow and make money no doubt, but is it worth losing your character over?

Previous model looked way better. Btw.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:05 PM   #15529
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I guess it is still very Forrester. But it is looking slowly more like a tardota is what im saying. Perhaps the arguement of it looking more mainstream to sell more is valid. But i and just one person voicing my unimpressed opinion on this decision. Subaru wants to grow and make money no doubt, but is it worth losing your character over?

Previous model looked way better. Btw.
yep this guy knows. the forester or impreza does not look the "same" as other cars but more similar than it once did. back then subaru was different on the outside and different on the inside. i guess now it is just what's on the inside that counts.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:16 PM   #15530
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I know Toyota is connected with Subaru, but the only vehicle so far that claims any Toyota engineering or design influence is the BRZ.

Though when you put the RAV4 and Forester back to back in pictures, they do look similar, same box on wheels. However, Forester FTW because of the superior AWD system.

I prefer my smaller hatch to either.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:30 PM   #15531
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Ok here is what I meant to post last night and didn't realize I forgot a link. This is the front strut tower brace for the current gen WRX/STI:

http://www.subarugenuineparts.com/pr...oducts_id=1397

Apparently someone on here already installed it and said it fit, however, someone else here mentioned that it wouldn't work for the current impreza due to the hinges at its plate/bar mounting point. I'm not sure why that is but the cusco unit has the same design. Is this really a problem and is there a difference? I can get the sti spt flexible strut tower brace for 290 as well but I hear that the increase in performance doesn't really justify the high price:

http://www.subarugenuineparts.com/pr...oducts_id=1897

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Old 02-03-2013, 01:43 PM   #15532
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Whats the point of a "flexible" brace. Its called an oxymoron.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:45 PM   #15533
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I think the wrx spt brace looks great with ots black finish.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:48 PM   #15534
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So Subaru is doing what they can to address both of these concerns, and it's working, because Subaru's market share is on the rise. Some of you Subie fanboys may have liked the uniqueness of the Subaru goofy look. But that look was preventing sales to many mainstream consumers, so Subaru is shifting their designs in that direction. It's not because of Toyota's influence; it's because of the market's influence (IMHO).
It's actually sad that Subaru is gravitating their Impreza line towards bland, general-consumer styling, because quite honestly, I had trouble finding a car that met my needs and my pricing that didn't look like almost every other car in my list of potentials. I don't want to own a vehicle where there's a general lack of a sense of "signature style" to it. (For reference, I used to own an Integra, and I actually went into a Subaru dealership looking for the BRZ.)

The Impreza sedan was marginally different enough in styling that sets it aside from other vehicles in its class that I grudgingly accepted it (still not entirely sold on the front syling elements, actually). At times / from certain angles though, it has the appearance of a Toyota Matrix.

Truth be told, I almost bought a Lancer. The guy who lost my sale (and his manager) can thank their hardline sales pressure and playing meaningless games with me. At least that vehicle had stylistic elements that said, "I'm a Mitsubishi".

Anyways, that's just my 2 cents (soon to be outlawed in Canada ) on the matter of vehicular styling.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:51 PM   #15535
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That was very nicely put.
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Old 02-03-2013, 02:04 PM   #15536
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It's actually sad that Subaru is gravitating their Impreza line towards bland, general-consumer styling, because quite honestly, I had trouble finding a car that met my needs and my pricing that didn't look like almost every other car in my list of potentials. I don't want to own a vehicle where there's a general lack of a sense of "signature style" to it. (For reference, I used to own an Integra, and I actually went into a Subaru dealership looking for the BRZ.)

The Impreza sedan was marginally different enough in styling that sets it aside from other vehicles in its class that I grudgingly accepted it (still not entirely sold on the front syling elements, actually). At times / from certain angles though, it has the appearance of a Toyota Matrix.

Truth be told, I almost bought a Lancer. The guy who lost my sale (and his manager) can thank their hardline sales pressure and playing meaningless games with me. At least that vehicle had stylistic elements that said, "I'm a Mitsubishi".

Anyways, that's just my 2 cents (soon to be outlawed in Canada ) on the matter of vehicular styling.
To me, what makes Subaru truly unique is the boxer engine and the symmetrical AWD. So even if the car's appearance becomes more mainstream, you still have a unique drivetrain working for you.

Be glad you didn't buy the Lancer. Mitsubishi is pulling out of North America, right? I wouldn't want to own a Mitsubishi now anymore than I'd want to own a Saturn now.
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Old 02-03-2013, 02:06 PM   #15537
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Whats the point of a "flexible" brace. Its called an oxymoron.
Not if the brace is designed to provide rigidity in one direction, while allowing flex in another direction.
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Old 02-03-2013, 02:11 PM   #15538
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To me, what makes Subaru truly unique is the boxer engine and the symmetrical AWD. So even if the car's appearance becomes more mainstream, you still have a unique drivetrain working for you.

Be glad you didn't buy the Lancer. Mitsubishi is pulling out of North America, right? I wouldn't want to own a Mitsubishi now anymore than I'd want to own a Saturn now.
in an interview not to long ago, when asked about the low selling numbers and the future plans for mitsu, the ceo said he had to plans to back out of the US but that was a while back. 2 months ago?
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Old 02-03-2013, 02:16 PM   #15539
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To me, what makes Subaru truly unique is the boxer engine and the symmetrical AWD. So even if the car's appearance becomes more mainstream, you still have a unique drivetrain working for you.

Be glad you didn't buy the Lancer. Mitsubishi is pulling out of North America, right? I wouldn't want to own a Mitsubishi now anymore than I'd want to own a Saturn now.
I will admit that the AWD had much more to do with selling the vehicle to me than the stylistic elements.

As for the Lancer - yes, I had heard rumblings to that effect. There are two dealerships in my area, both of them are in suburbs of Vancouver. One dealership didn't even want to do my business... probably a morale issue in their dealership due to the rumours. The other dealership got as far as working on pricing - but then their high-pressure sales tactics and mindgames turned me off of them. I also heard of some unethical conduct in relation to the vehicle I was about to buy (it wouldn't have been brand new), so I terminated that conversation before pen was put to paper.

All told, I'm ok with the vehicle I have, as my butt dyno is telling me that it has the same type of feel as I had with my Integra, even though the mechanisms (AWD, CVT) are different. The styling is not entirely unique (and in some ways, quite "meh"). If I had to do it over again, I might have been tempted to wait the 6 months to get a BRZ. (Or maybe not. I tend to avoid cars that are in their first model year. )
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Old 02-03-2013, 02:29 PM   #15540
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I actually like the styling of my Sport Premium hatchback. As I'm walking toward it, I'm not thinking "This car is ugly" or "This car looks like every other hatchback on the market." I'm quite pleased with its appearance, especially when it has the 17" gunmetal summer wheels installed.
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Old 02-03-2013, 02:49 PM   #15541
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I actually like the styling of my Sport Premium hatchback. As I'm walking toward it, I'm not thinking "This car is ugly" or "This car looks like every other hatchback on the market." I'm quite pleased with its appearance, especially when it has the 17" gunmetal summer wheels installed.
lol "summer wheels". what are summer wheels? sporty rims? they are far from sporty as they look alot heavier than non sport wheels. did you mean summer tires? because these tires are far far from summer grippy tires. no, but i like the look of the car too. i guess i am more or less talking about the face of the car. no uniqueness or character. but oh well. still looks good and drivers nice with awd.

when i think about the old subarus, i think about what my girl girlfriend told me once, she loves ugly dogs. there is just a character to them that makes then difference and unique from other dogs.
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Old 02-03-2013, 02:53 PM   #15542
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Footwell lighting - I had a local custom shop install for all floorboards and installed a dash switch for on/off control. Sometimes a bit bright in white, but sure makes interior detailing easier.
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Old 02-03-2013, 03:03 PM   #15543
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Don't get me started about the "hatchbacks" out there (and I'm not even referring specifically to Subaru).
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Don't get me started about the "hatchbacks" out there (and I'm not even referring specifically to Subaru).
Yeah I understand. They are so lovely that there is so much to say about what a brilliant idea putting a hatch on the back of a car is compared to a sedans trunk design.
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Yeah I understand. They are so lovely that there is so much to say about what a brilliant idea putting a hatch on the back of a car is compared to a sedans trunk design.
You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. Agreed.
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Old 02-03-2013, 05:02 PM   #15546
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lol "summer wheels". what are summer wheels?
Oy. My "summer wheels" are the wheels I install on my car for summer use (the original gunmetal wheels that still have the original Yoko tires on them). My "winter wheels" are the wheels that have my snow tires installed.

I understand that wheels are not seasonal unto themselves.
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Old 02-03-2013, 05:08 PM   #15547
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Oy. My "summer wheels" are the wheels I install on my car for summer use (the original gunmetal wheels that still have the original Yoko tires on them). My "winter wheels" are the wheels that have my snow tires installed.

I understand that wheels are not seasonal unto themselves.
ahh, i see. i was going to say....lol
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Old 02-03-2013, 05:46 PM   #15548
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Since we're on the subject of similar looking vehicles, am I the ONLY one who sees great similarity between the current Impreza and the Chevy Cruze, especially front and profile angles?? Does that mean that one is copying or influenced by the other? NO...big deal, it's not like they look like twins like the FRS/BRZ which we all know was a combined effort between Sub/Toy.














Yeah, I know bad color for comparison on the last one but it was the first one I came to and I'm just trying to see if anybody else sees it or if I am crazy.
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Old 02-03-2013, 05:52 PM   #15549
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Subaru is way better looking
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Old 02-03-2013, 05:56 PM   #15550
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I agree that the Impreza sedan resembles other sedans on the market. But I think the Impreza hatchback is more unique.

Can you think of a competing hatchback that's as close of a match as the Impreza/Cruze comparison you just made?

Not the Focus. Not the Mazda3. Not the Elantra. Not the Kia Forte. Not the Nissan Versa. Not the VW Golf.

I think the Impreza hatchback has its own unique look.
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