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Old 02-14-2013, 03:43 PM   #15951
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With regard to the display, my biggest complaint is that the AVG MPG display counts off in 3/10ths intervals. Again, this is a quibble, but to me it's stupid that they provide a tenths digit, but don't show AVG MPGs in 10ths. Duh. My VW TDI's AVG MPG display had a tenths digit, and it would count in 1/10ths intervals.
I definitely agree with this. This was the first thing I noticed when I was playing with the display when I first got the car 5 months ago. I guess they figured that since the display wasn't showing accurate figures anyways, might as well mess around with the sig-figs.

As for the brakes... I don't know. They seem responsive enough at low speed; but at highway speeds, the brakes on my old Integra seemed to be a lot more effective. It seems to take me longer to get the desired decrease in speed when I'm up between 60 and 170 km/hr (35-70 MPH) - but then once I get to lower speeds (ie. 50 km/hr, 30 MPH), the brakes are reasonably good. *shrug*
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Old 02-14-2013, 03:54 PM   #15952
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I definitely agree with this. This was the first thing I noticed when I was playing with the display when I first got the car 5 months ago. I guess they figured that since the display wasn't showing accurate figures anyways, might as well mess around with the sig-figs.

As for the brakes... I don't know. They seem responsive enough at low speed; but at highway speeds, the brakes on my old Integra seemed to be a lot more effective. It seems to take me longer to get the desired decrease in speed when I'm up between 60 and 170 km/hr (35-70 MPH) - but then once I get to lower speeds (ie. 50 km/hr, 30 MPH), the brakes are reasonably good. *shrug*
tires play a huge role in brake performance, what tires did your old car have?

I find the brakes good enough for the vehicle
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:24 PM   #15953
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Originally had the stock Yokohama tires when I first owned my Integra, and then swapped them with Fuzion HRi as replacements right up until the end (was on my 2nd set of Fuzions when my accident happened - brakes had locked prior to impact).

Seems like I'm braking earlier and for longer to bring my speed down over the same speed range (ie. from 110 km/hr to 60km/hr, as an example). I'll probably get used to it.

Strangely enough, that was one of the first modifications my mechanic suggested (on his own initiative - I didn't mention about the brakes at all) when I took it in for its first maintenance service. And he's pretty experienced with Subarus, so I have no reason to question his advice.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:32 PM   #15954
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Originally had the stock Yokohama tires when I first owned my Integra, and then swapped them with Fuzion HRi as replacements right up until the end (was on my 2nd set of Fuzions when my accident happened - brakes had locked prior to impact).

Seems like I'm braking earlier and for longer to bring my speed down over the same speed range (ie. from 110 km/hr to 60km/hr, as an example). I'll probably get used to it.

Strangely enough, that was one of the first modifications my mechanic suggested (on his own initiative - I didn't mention about the brakes at all) when I took it in for its first maintenance service. And he's pretty experienced with Subarus, so I have no reason to question his advice.
those Fuzion tires are probably a lot "stickier" hence why they brake so much better than the Low Rolling Resistance stock Yoko's on the subaru. i would be willing to bet good money you would see better braking performance with different tires.
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Old 02-14-2013, 04:44 PM   #15955
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I find my only gripe with this car (13 Sport) is the CVT. It gives great mileage. But the car is super laggy.
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Old 02-14-2013, 06:34 PM   #15956
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So Thunder Thighs can set a parking brake and a Badonkadonk can stop a squeaking seat. Nice!
Who's setting the brake?
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:11 PM   #15957
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I find my only gripe with this car (13 Sport) is the CVT. It gives great mileage. But the car is super laggy.
Manual. You need one.
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:35 PM   #15958
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I know mine's a '13, but it's basically the same model, so...

I like to think my fat ass has muffled the squeaking.

Seriously, though - either I've become attuned to it, or it just hasn't happened all that frequently. I've only heard it squeak maybe about 2-3 times a week for the last couple of months.

Ditto. Although I suppose my fiancée has lowered it on a few occasions. No issues related to that so far.

If it were up to me, I would probably say my top 3 are:

1. CVT could use some re-programming
2. Brakes seem to be somewhat... weak? not sure what the term is
3. Fix the g.d. fuel consumption display (odometer calculator?) issue!

Maybe not necessarily in that order.
Glad to hear I'm not the only one that feels the same about the brakes. I posted months that I thought the braking performance was lackluster.
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:39 PM   #15959
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Manual. You need one.
Not on this car. It's the daily. And the camera car, so I need something my girl can drive. haha
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:43 PM   #15960
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Glad to hear I'm not the only one that feels the same about the brakes. I posted months that I thought the braking performance was lackluster.
Not to be a fly in the ointment, but there have been multiple professional drivers who evaluated the car, including Consumer Reports, and none of them have complained about the brakes or stopping distance: 1:36 "the stopping distances are impressively short, especially on dry pavement":


Seat of the pants observations are not the same as test data. Personally I don't notice the brakes as great or terrible, they work as well as anything else I have driven. If I were concerned about them I would upgrade the pads, which I will probably do anyway when the OEM pads wear out, and maybe toss some drilled rotors on them (for looks!).
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:16 PM   #15961
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Proud to be a member of the manual club
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:23 PM   #15962
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Which models come with the chrome door handles on the interior? I have to say my base has black ones that ate so awesome! Anyone up for a swap?
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:05 PM   #15963
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Proud to be a member of the manual club
Proud to be a CVT owner. I can't help but wonder of the people who own CVT's and hate them, if the test drove one before dropping $20k+ on the car. I know I did drive a base model with cvt before I had the dealer drive to Florida to get my limited. I am satisfied.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:30 PM   #15964
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Not on this car. It's the daily. And the camera car, so I need something my girl can drive. haha
There is no excuse to avoid perfection.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:32 PM   #15965
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Proud to be a member of the manual club
I agree with you totally. I had a 13 impreza CVT as a loaner vehicle for over a month while my 12 impreza was getting worked on, and the manual is way better. With the CVT there was horrible amounts of lag between "switching gears", was very unresponsive with the accelerator.
Manual all the way!
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:51 PM   #15966
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All I'm saying is under normal driving, the CVT is fair. But after going from a stage 2 prepped car with a great LSD, the CVT is a bit less grippy. haha
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:17 AM   #15967
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it appears that the movement in the seat is just how it is designed, there is really nothing to tighten or adjust and the problem comes from the vertical adjustment mechanism. it is just sloppy and there isn't anything i can see we can do about it. I wasted 2 hours tonight removing the seat, tightening every bolt i could with loctite, and reinstalling. and because i didn't take the seat out of the car i just moved it around, i managed to scratch the heck out of the trim by the shifter
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:45 AM   #15968
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All I'm saying is under normal driving, the CVT is fair. But after going from a stage 2 prepped car with a great LSD, the CVT is a bit less grippy. haha
I suppose that's a good point. I was forced to drive automatics from the day I learned to drive till I got my new Impreza. I can assure you, until electric cars rule the world, I will not be going back. Dual clutch holds promise I guess...but it's just not the same. Nothing is the same.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:55 AM   #15969
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I can assure you, until electric cars rule the world, I will not be going back. Dual clutch holds promise I guess...but it's just not the same. Nothing is the same.
My summer 'car' is a 50cc scooter with a CVT that, on my short 6 block commute (with stop signs all the way), is either screaming at 9000RPM or braking Hard. So a CVT car wasn't a big change for me.

'Technically' a CVT could out-perform a standard, but the lack of driver control over its programming, which means they are tuned for economy, is why they don't. I wonder if, instead of giving us paddle shifters to pretend we have gears, they were used to allow the driver some control of how the CVT is 'shifting', if that would make them more interesting.?
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:20 AM   #15970
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'Technically' a CVT could out-perform a standard, but the lack of driver control over its programming, which means they are tuned for economy, is why they don't. I wonder if, instead of giving us paddle shifters to pretend we have gears, they were used to allow the driver some control of how the CVT is 'shifting', if that would make them more interesting.?
I suppose that might be "technically" true. And in the case of DSG dual-clutch automatics, it is true. This is why Ferrari's fastest car can't even be purchased with a stick, and is why the Porsche 911 has better times when it has the DSG tranny vs. the (7-speed!) manual tranny.

And you know what? Manual tranny enthusiasts like me don't care. I don't race my car. I could care less that a DSG 911 can hit 60 MPH in 3.8 sec, while the manual-tranny 911 takes 4.0 sec. If I had the money to buy a new 911, you can bet it would be with the 7-speed manual.

DSG owners tell me that they just love using the paddles to shift their cars "manually". I say "yawn". Paddles just don't cut it for manual tranny purists like me.

For me, driving is a very tactile activity. I like the feel of the clutch under my foot, and I like the process of engaging and releasing that clutch during a shift. I like the feel of the stick in my hand (especially now that I have a leather shift knob), and I like the process of moving that stick through the gates. I like the whole process of shifting. It's a process that I never grow tired of (much like sex).

Some people choose to buy an automatic tranny car because they drive in a lot of city traffic. I can tell you that I've never become annoyed by my manual tranny when I get stuck in city traffic, traffic jams, etc. The process of shifting never becomes burdensome for me.

It's just my opinion, but my answer to your question of "I wonder if, instead of giving us paddle shifters to pretend we have gears, they were used to allow the driver some control of how the CVT is 'shifting', if that would make them more interesting?" is "no".

It's not that I hate the CVT. It's not that I look down upon those who can't or choose not to drive a manual tranny car for whatever reason. It's simply that the process of driving a manual car is, for me, bliss.
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:45 AM   #15971
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I suppose that might be "technically" true. And in the case of DSG dual-clutch automatics, it is true. This is why Ferrari's fastest car can't even be purchased with a stick, and is why the Porsche 911 has better times when it has the DSG tranny vs. the (7-speed!) manual tranny.

And you know what? Manual tranny enthusiasts like me don't care. I don't race my car. I could care less that a DSG 911 can hit 60 MPH in 3.8 sec, while the manual-tranny 911 takes 4.0 sec. If I had the money to buy a new 911, you can bet it would be with the 7-speed manual.

DSG owners tell me that they just love using the paddles to shift their cars "manually". I say "yawn". Paddles just don't cut it for manual tranny purists like me.

For me, driving is a very tactile activity. I like the feel of the clutch under my foot, and I like the process of engaging and releasing that clutch during a shift. I like the feel of the stick in my hand (especially now that I have a leather shift knob), and I like the process of moving that stick through the gates. I like the whole process of shifting. It's a process that I never grow tired of (much like sex).

Some people choose to buy an automatic tranny car because they drive in a lot of city traffic. I can tell you that I've never become annoyed by my manual tranny when I get stuck in city traffic, traffic jams, etc. The process of shifting never becomes burdensome for me.

It's just my opinion, but my answer to your question of "I wonder if, instead of giving us paddle shifters to pretend we have gears, they were used to allow the driver some control of how the CVT is 'shifting', if that would make them more interesting?" is "no".

It's not that I hate the CVT. It's not that I look down upon those who can't or choose not to drive a manual tranny car for whatever reason. It's simply that the process of driving a manual car is, for me, bliss.
For me it is sometimes bliss, and often a subconscious activity, as in, the car moves, and I am certainly shifting it, but it required zero attention from me because that is how driving is most of the time.

But that is the same zen like experience that I experience on my motorcycle, which requires even more attention and equally becomes somewhat subconscious (automatic, kind of).
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:52 AM   #15972
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FWIW, I came from a 2000 Impreza 5 Speed and test drove the CVT - I was impressed with the acceleration and the smoothness of the shifting. It accelerated a lot faster than my old car, which is why I chose it. I also test drove a WRX that day as well, but that's another story
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Old 02-15-2013, 09:08 AM   #15973
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FWIW, I came from a 2000 Impreza 5 Speed and test drove the CVT - I was impressed with the acceleration and the smoothness of the shifting. It accelerated a lot faster than my old car, which is why I chose it. I also test drove a WRX that day as well, but that's another story
That's good.

But you see my point, which is that for me (and other manual tranny enthusiasts), it doesn't matter how good the CVT is. The CVT (or any automatic tranny) removes the process we enjoy from the car. I have no doubt that Porsche's DSG/PDK tranny is one of the best examples of an automatic tranny on the planet. But I still wouldn't buy a 911 with the PDK tranny.
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Old 02-15-2013, 09:53 AM   #15974
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Basically the manual gearbox is our avatar tail
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Old 02-15-2013, 09:58 AM   #15975
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Anti-lock brakes are anti-lock brakes. It's all in the tires...

One good thing about the cvt (most all of us agree the mpg's suck) is that when going downhill with cruise control it downshifts to hold the speed constant. No brakes needed...
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