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Old 04-21-2011, 12:54 PM   #1626
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The 08+ Imprezas have the fuel economy display.

I like them both. The US doesnt' usually get the "Sport" version that the rest of the world does. We get a the "Outback Sport" instead. It would be nice to just get the Sport Version if Subaru is moving away from the "Outdoorsy" cars.

That said, Subaru of America and Subaru Global often see things differently.
That's the way the 2012 Impreza is set up; Sport only, no Outback Sport.

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Old 04-21-2011, 12:58 PM   #1627
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Too bad the sport package is not available on the sedan. I do prefer the wheels on the sport package. Curious as well a to what the bolt pattern is?
If you are talking about the bronze wheels?...


Those are old 05-09 Outback wheels, and not new. The bolt pattern is 5x100, and I believe they are 17x7.
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Old 04-21-2011, 01:12 PM   #1628
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Here's a few of the details not covered in the press material:

• Tires on the Limited sedan and Sport 5-door that I saw Tuesday night are Yokahama Avid S34, sized at 205/50x17.

• The (expensive) hood struts on the current model have been replaced by a (cheaper) prop rod. I have no problem with this, as the hood can be opened to 2 positions: the convention position, or a fully opened, more vertical 90 degree opening if you really need to get in there to work.

• Intermittent wiper speeds have been reduced from 8 choices to 3 choices. I expected a reduction of speed choices, as that also occured with the Legacy/Outback models; although those models got 4 speed choices. Will 3 speeds be enough? Don't know; seems marginal to me.

• The top part of the dash has a very nice soft black texture surface. It reminded me a lot of the last GTI I sat in. Very nice, and soooo much better than the current car. Also the top edge of the interior door sills also get a little soft padding, but they're not nearly as soft as the dash covering.

• Sun visors are also (once again) nicely padded. The current visors are rock hard.

• Model choices for 4-door are base, Premium and Limited. The 5-door also adds the Sport Premium and Sport Limited.

• Limited models add leather, a chrome grille insert, chrome door handles, and a chrome bar above the rear license plate.

• The current optional front center armrest that slides forward, is now standard on the models I saw; not sure about base models, as none were on display? Inside the armrest are USB and AUX connectors, as well as a power outlet.

• I think (?) the manual tranny models will get a gear indicator like that found on the Legacy/Outback manuals.

• There is a fuel economy gauge, like that found on the Legacy and Outback. Apparently having that silly gauge gives the car some brownie points with the EPA. May help increase the EPA rating a tad, or so I was told.

• The trunk of the sedan is now completely flat (the current model's floor raises slightly towards the front). This was accomplished by using a slightly smaller gas tank, which takes up less under-the-floor space. At first glance this sounds like a bad idea, but with the newly increased gas mileage, the cruising range should be about the same. Also, less fuel being carried, means less weight, as well as less costly fill-ups.

• The NAVI gets an SD card for map upgrades. Supposedly this will be a cheaper way to get map upgrades, although no prices were announced. Also, with the XM radio option, you will get real-time traffic reports. It sounds like the NAVI unit was throughly overhauled and upgraded from the current unit.

• The NAVI screen was reduced in size (not happy about that) from 7 inches to 6.1 inches. No more removable Tom-Tom unit that I'm aware of.

• The cruise audio and control switches on the steering wheel appear to be the same as those found on the new Legacy and Outback—which is good.

• NAVI is available on all models except the base trim level. I think (?) that may be true of the moonroof as well.

• Impreza Sport appears to have WRX-like aero kit, at the body's lower edge. As you can see, it also gets the roof rails standard.

• CVT is standard on Limited models.

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Thanks! You're reporting on things that I find important but no other automotive site has cared to go into about.

Now all I need to know is the prices for the base, premium and limited and I'm set. I'm most likely going for the premium though. Which will probably end up costing 19K which is worth it if it does come standard with the Navi and Moonroof etc.
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Old 04-21-2011, 01:18 PM   #1629
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That's the way the 2012 Impreza is set up; Sport only, no Outback Sport.

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Of course that leaves a nice spot for SOA to bring in the XV model and pitch it as a separate car line like they seem to be doing with the WRX/STI. Underneath they'll all still be Imprezas but with a enough content and styling differences to make folks think they are looking at something else.

Maybe the best thing about the XV will be that it actually has some of the semi-offroad capability that the OBS just pretended to have.

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Old 04-21-2011, 01:21 PM   #1630
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Of course that leaves a nice spot for SOA to bring in the XV model and pitch it as a separate car line like they seem to be doing with the WRX/STI. Underneath they'll all still be Imprezas but with a enough content and styling differences to make folks think they are looking at something else.

Maybe the best thing about the XV will be that it actually has some of the semi-offroad capability that the OBS just pretended to have.

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I think that may happen, but there was no comment from SOA execs on that.

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Old 04-21-2011, 01:23 PM   #1631
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Now all I need to know is the prices for the base, premium and limited and I'm set. I'm most likely going for the premium though. Which will probably end up costing 19K which is worth it if it does come standard with the Navi and Moonroof etc.

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Old 04-21-2011, 01:52 PM   #1632
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Old 04-21-2011, 02:05 PM   #1633
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My 09 Spec B has one of those and while at first I thought it was stupid to be honest it certainly does make you more aware of your right foot. Not that I often care about my gas mileage as it's nothing to write home about I will say it does make people more aware of how their driving habits are affecting gas mileage.

Also thanks for all of the other information.
My 2011 Outback 3.6R also has the economy gauge. I'd say that about 98% of the time I completely ignore it. I have found myself watching it on a couple long road trips, though.
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Old 04-21-2011, 02:17 PM   #1634
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What about roof rails on 5-Dr? Is it standard on all trim levels? And any info about AWP?
Rails seem to be standard only on Sport trims. Info on AWP as option or standard is in trim-level breakdowns in the next post down.

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Old 04-21-2011, 02:26 PM   #1635
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Now all I need to know is the prices for the base, premium and limited and I'm set. I'm most likely going for the premium though. Which will probably end up costing 19K which is worth it if it does come standard with the Navi and Moonroof etc.
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Yes, prepare... to spend more if you want Navi and Moonroof. Premium is a mid-level trim. They don't even make Navi or Moonroof standard on top trim Limiteds. ... Here:

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Impreza 2.0i
* 24-hour roadside assistance for new-car limited warranty period
* 15-inch steel wheels with full covers
* Three-spoke steering wheel
* Four-wheel-disc antilock brakes with brake assist
* 60/40-split backseat
* AM/FM stereo system with single-disc CD player, MP3/WMA file capability, Radio Data Broadcast System and four speakers ? Chrome accents/front grille
* Air conditioning with air filtration
* Cargo tie-down hooks (five-door)
* Carpeted floormats
* Digital clock and outside temperature gauge
* Eco gauge (fuel economy)
* Electric power steering
* Headlights/parking lights auto-off with ignition
* Height-adjustable driver’s seat
* Incline start assist (manual transmission)
* Multifunction display
* Power door locks
* Power mirrors
* Power windows/driver’s one-touch auto up/down and pinch protection
* Rear window wiper with washer (five-door)
* Remote keyless entry system
* Security system with engine immobilizer
* Subaru Advanced Airbag System, front seat head/chest side-impact airbags, side curtain airbags and driver’s knee airbag
* Tilt/telescoping steering column
* Tire pressure monitoring system
* Variable intermittent windshield wipers
* Vehicle Dynamics Control Optional
* Lineartronic CVT

Impreza 2.0i Premium adds
* 16x6.5- inch aluminum alloy wheels
* Body-colored exterior mirrors
* Cargo area cover (five-door)
* Center console adjustable armrest
* Chrome interior door handles
* Cruise control
* AM/FM stereo and single-disc CD player with MP3/WMA capability, six speakers, Bluetooth audio streaming and phone connectivity, iPod connectivity and control, USB port and aux jack
* Illuminated ignition switch ring
* Rear stabilizer bar
* Steering-wheel-mounted audio controls and Bluetooth switches
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* Lineartronic CVT
* All-Weather Package (heated front seats, heated side mirrors and windshield wiper de-icer)
* Alloy Wheel Package (17-inch alloy wheels, 205/50R17 tires, single tailpipe outlet with stainless-steel tip for sedan model, leather-wrapped steering wheel and shifter handle)
* Power moonroof
* Touch-screen navigation system, including 6.1 LCD, voice-activated controls, single-disc CD player with MP3/WMA file capability, iPod control capability, iTunes tagging, USB port, SMS messaging capability, XM Satellite Radio and XM NavTraffic® (subscriptions required)

2.0i Limited adds to Premium
* All-Weather Package contents
* Alloy Wheel Package contents
* Automatic climate control
* AM/FM stereo with HD Radio and all audio features in Premium (see above), plus 4.3-inch LCD display screen
* Chrome exterior door handles
* Fog lights
* Leather-trimmed upholstery
* Lineartronic CVT
* Rear seat armrest with dual cupholders
* Upgraded instrumentation
Optional: Nav system and power moonroof

Sport Premium (five-door only) adds over Premium
* 17-inch alloy wheels and 205/50R17 tires
* All-Weather Package
* Body-colored rocker panels
* Fog lights
* Roof rails
* Silver-painted grille
* Sport fabric upholstery

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adds Limited content to Sport Premium and offers optional nav system and power moonroof
http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...auto-show.html
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Old 04-21-2011, 02:28 PM   #1636
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^^ Thanks. Not too thrilled about only limited trim getting "Upgraded instrumentation". I just hope base level instrument cluster is not as cheap as the current Forester. I wish Touring instrument cluster was used for all trim levels.

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Old 04-21-2011, 03:13 PM   #1637
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VDC optional on the base model? i thought all cars have some kind of electronic stability control nowadays?
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Old 04-21-2011, 03:19 PM   #1638
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VDC optional on the base model? i thought all cars have some kind of electronic stability control nowadays?
Maybe it means it's defeatable in all trims. I hope so, at least.
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Old 04-21-2011, 03:24 PM   #1639
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All-Weather Package (heated front seats, heated side mirrors and windshield wiper de-icer)

Humm, need cooled front seats to be all-weather!
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Old 04-21-2011, 03:25 PM   #1640
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If you are talking about the bronze wheels?...


Those are old 05-09 Outback wheels, and not new. The bolt pattern is 5x100, and I believe they are 17x7.
Its interesting, going back over the years with Subaru's the wheels from higher-end models tend to end up as standard equipment on lower models after a couple years.
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Old 04-21-2011, 03:26 PM   #1641
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Will the factory 16 inch wheels from the 05 wrx wagon fit the 2012? I see the bolt pattern is still 5x100. Just wondering if I can keep my 16 inch factory wheels with snow tires.
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Old 04-21-2011, 03:31 PM   #1642
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VDC optional on the base model? i thought all cars have some kind of electronic stability control nowadays?
Ya, that looks odd... I don't think that is right.

I also see some other downgrades:

15" steel wheels on the 2.0i
Non-chrome interior door handles on the 2.0i (???)
No cruise control on the 2.0i
No center arm rest on 2.0i (eh, not to important)
No rear sway bar (they did this before with the base models)
Leather-wrapped wheel/shifter not standard with the Premiums (!!!)
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Will the factory 16 inch wheels from the 05 wrx wagon fit the 2012? I see the bolt pattern is still 5x100. Just wondering if I can keep my 16 inch factory wheels with snow tires.
If they are still 5x100, then yes of course they will fit.
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If they are still 5x100, then yes of course they will fit.
didn't know if they would clear the calipers. Wanted to make sure. That makes me even happier!
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Old 04-21-2011, 03:39 PM   #1645
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Where's the 5MT then? It's a downgrade option on all trims?
The new cavernous digital clock hole though begs for some high quality gauges... I wonder what will fit in there.
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Old 04-21-2011, 03:47 PM   #1646
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Ya, that looks odd... I don't think that is right.

I also see some other downgrades:

15" steel wheels on the 2.0i
Non-chrome interior door handles on the 2.0i (???)
No cruise control on the 2.0i
No center arm rest on 2.0i (eh, not to important)
No rear sway bar (they did this before with the base models)
Leather-wrapped wheel/shifter not standard with the Premiums (!!!)
Don't forget about losing the projector headlights and LED taillights. Also, according to Bob's earlier post, they've reduced the number of wiper speeds which seems trivial till you realize there are now only 3 speeds (which isn't enough from my experience).
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Old 04-21-2011, 03:49 PM   #1647
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Where's the 5MT then? It's a downgrade option on all trims?
The new cavernous digital clock hole though begs for some high quality gauges... I wonder what will fit in there.
Yea that list didn't make sense. It says CVT in every trim including base.

When does Subaru release the detailed model information?
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Don't forget about losing the projector headlights and LED taillights. Also, according to Bob's earlier post, they've reduced the number of wiper speeds which seems trivial till you realize there are now only 3 speeds (which isn't enough from my experience).
Headlights/taillights not too concerned about. They did add LED DRL's up front from the looks of it.

The 3-speed wipers are a non-issue IMO, and its actually more like 5. I have only 3 on my Impreza (intermittent, fast and really fast) and its fine, but when they say 3 int speeds on the new one, thats three types of intermittent, PLUS the fast and really fast.
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Old 04-21-2011, 04:05 PM   #1649
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Is WRX and standard impreza assembled on the same line? Even if that's not the case wouldn't it be a major PITA to keep 2 lines running with totally different parts?

I am just trying to figure out why would subaru introduce 2012 Impreza in new body and keep old WRX/STI body for 2012.

I have scheduled for today a test drive on last 2011 hatch within 200 miles radius so would appreciate any thoughts on the matter.
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It must be a mistake. 5mt should be the standard. CVT should be the $1000 option.
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