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Old 11-04-2013, 08:27 PM   #19401
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Big breaking bad fan. Thought I'd share what the local shop made up for me.
Ha! My wife made fun of my 3 day start to finish marathon of Breaking Bad. I even had to download a google application to chrome so I could pull up Netflix UK to finish season 5 since us Netflix doesn't have past episode 8 I think. I could have paid on iTunes, but where is the fun in that? Lol

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Old 11-04-2013, 09:15 PM   #19402
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That's an awesome decal. hahaha

Associated question for the "multi-purpose" tires.. In comparison to older Subaru AWD systems, how does our system compare? Is the configuration of our diff different for the CVT to 5 speeds? What IS the diff split for the 2.0 CVT?

I only ask because over the years I have driven many many Subaru's. In blizzard conditions, I have been able to out-drive ANY 4WD vehicle in a Subaru - all day. I have yet to experience any major snow in my 13, but the snow we did have after buying it, the car crawled right up through it. There was probably 4-6 inches worth. The cars only issue was coming to a stop in said snow, but I'm attributing that to the sub-par stock tires.

Regardless of specs, I will say that overall, they have done a great job with this car. The CVT could stand to be geared a touch more aggressively, or the car could have a bit more power.. But overall, the car is solid, I don't get stuck anywhere, it can hold a ton of crap (wagon), and I average 35mpg. Can't go wrong with that.
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Old 11-04-2013, 09:27 PM   #19403
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Associated question for the "multi-purpose" tires.. In comparison to older Subaru AWD systems, how does our system compare? Is the configuration of our diff different for the CVT to 5 speeds? What IS the diff split for the 2.0 CVT?
There was a thread about the AWD systems a while back. The CVT doesn't have a split because it doesn't have a center differential. The transmission drives the front wheels and a computer controlled clutch pack couples the rear wheels to the front wheels.
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Old 11-04-2013, 09:39 PM   #19404
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That's an awesome decal. hahaha Associated question for the "multi-purpose" tires.. In comparison to older Subaru AWD systems, how does our system compare? Is the configuration of our diff different for the CVT to 5 speeds? What IS the diff split for the 2.0 CVT? I only ask because over the years I have driven many many Subaru's. In blizzard conditions, I have been able to out-drive ANY 4WD vehicle in a Subaru - all day. I have yet to experience any major snow in my 13, but the snow we did have after buying it, the car crawled right up through it. There was probably 4-6 inches worth. The cars only issue was coming to a stop in said snow, but I'm attributing that to the sub-par stock tires. Regardless of specs, I will say that overall, they have done a great job with this car. The CVT could stand to be geared a touch more aggressively, or the car could have a bit more power.. But overall, the car is solid, I don't get stuck anywhere, it can hold a ton of crap (wagon), and I average 35mpg. Can't go wrong with that.
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Old 11-04-2013, 10:23 PM   #19405
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Also, would more of a stock size (205/50) be better on our 17's for such a use?
Smaller contact patches are always better for traction in poor weather/offroad conditions. So are bigger side walls, because they have more flexibility.
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:46 PM   #19406
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In comparison to older Subaru AWD systems, how does our system compare? Is the configuration of our diff different for the CVT to 5 speeds? What IS the diff split for the 2.0 CVT?
My understanding: 5 speed is the same deal as old Subarus. Viscous center diff, 50/50 torque split under "normal", non-slippery conditions, can shift to 80/20 to the front or back.

CVT is computer controlled. It's essentially front wheel drive under non-slippery conditions, but it can shift up to 50% of torque to the rear.

They both do just fine in snow and mud. The CVT's electronic system can react more quickly than the 5 speed's fluid coupling. The 5 speed is probably a bit better for spirited driving, being able to send more power to the rear.
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:52 PM   #19407
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My understanding: 5 speed is the same deal as old Subarus. Viscous center diff, 50/50 torque split under "normal", non-slippery conditions, can shift to 80/20 to the front or back.

CVT is computer controlled. It's essentially front wheel drive under non-slippery conditions, but it can shift up to 50% of torque to the rear.

They both do just fine in snow and mud. The CVT's electronic system can react more quickly than the 5 speed's fluid coupling. The 5 speed is probably a bit better for spirited driving, being able to send more power to the rear.
Nothing about this post is right. Both cars can put 100% of power to either end. CVT is something like 60/40, not 80/20 normally. ****ing christ.

http://drive2.subaru.com/Win09/Win09_ItsWhatMakes.htm
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:56 PM   #19408
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Is it the exact same layout with the CVT/AWD in the Crosstrek? I'd assume it is. If so, the AWD with the CVT setup works juuuuuust fine for that..

Ah. To go low on 18's, or raise it up for off-road trail fun.. ._.
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Old 11-05-2013, 12:28 AM   #19409
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I would imagine the AWD is different in the Crosstrek. It's for a completely different purpose.
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Old 11-05-2013, 01:25 AM   #19410
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I don't know, but it handles like a dream in sandy roads, pics up speed in a snap and handles the power, imediate control over direction of the car (wagon).
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Old 11-05-2013, 06:28 AM   #19411
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I would imagine the AWD is different in the Crosstrek. It's for a completely different purpose.
Likely not.
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Old 11-05-2013, 06:57 AM   #19412
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Neither the CVT or the 5 Speed can put 100% power to either end. That is probably the dumbest thing I have read on this site in months.

The viscous coupler and CVT electronic clutches both work well in the snow, the CVT version can transfer power more quickly.

Canadian or Subaru marketing propaganda aside, there is no reason for a car aimed at increased MPG's to send more power to the rear wheels in normal, non-slippery conditions, than it needs. The CVT responds very quickly, so why would they regularly transfer more power to the rear wheels when it does not need it?

In any case, it has never been tested, so FAIL, nobody knows if the car is any more than a mostly FWD car with an extraordinary ability to shift power to the rear (so you never realize it).

And the Crosstrek is a lifted Impreza, with some extra frame strengthening and a different differential gearing, however the AWD system is no different than the regular impreza (so that is two FAILS).

It works pretty well, though -- Outback owners on their forum who have owned both automatics and manuals tended to prefer the electronic version, though they wrote both worked fine...

Before some mostly FWD CVT owners get riled up, this is a video of what the electronically controlled system, and the traction control, can achieve...The impreza ain't a RAV4.



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Old 11-05-2013, 07:49 AM   #19413
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I would imagine the AWD is different in the Crosstrek. It's for a completely different purpose.
Not really sure how you figure that...care to elaborate?
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Old 11-05-2013, 08:08 AM   #19414
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Zeeper, you're a ****ing moron.
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Old 11-05-2013, 08:16 AM   #19415
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Zeeper, you're a ****ing moron.
Not really, everything he wrote has been stated on this site, in this thread, previously
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Old 11-05-2013, 08:57 AM   #19416
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Nothing about this post is right. Both cars can put 100% of power to either end. CVT is something like 60/40, not 80/20 normally. ****ing christ.

http://drive2.subaru.com/Win09/Win09_ItsWhatMakes.htm
Nope. Subaru engineers were asked what the power split was for their auto cars, and they said they couldn't give an exact number since its always changing, but it they did, it would be close to 80/20. Definitely not 60/40
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:00 AM   #19417
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A+ job clicking my link to subaru.com guys.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:16 AM   #19418
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A+ job clicking my link to subaru.com guys.
Great marketing material, published in 2009, not at all relevant to the way the 2011+ Impreza CVT works, but keep digging...

But you also think the Crosstrek is completely different from the Impreza, that makes sense, design two new cars from scratch, and give them the same exact engine, with the same exact upper body, except for some plastic cladding on the more expensive one...
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:28 AM   #19419
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Great marketing material, published in 2009, not at all relevant to the way the 2011+ Impreza CVT works, but keep digging...

But you also think the Crosstrek is completely different from the Impreza, that makes sense, design two new cars from scratch, and give them the same exact engine, with the same exact upper body, except for some plastic cladding on the more expensive one...
Almost everything except the engine and body are different between the cars. Jackass.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:31 AM   #19420
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While that may or may not be the case, I believe it's still the same AWD configuration..
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:38 AM   #19421
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A+ job clicking my link to subaru.com guys.
I clicked on the link you provided. It was to a 4 year old issue of Drive magazine and did not say anything about an ability to transmit 100% of the engine power to one end or the other.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:41 AM   #19422
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Almost everything except the engine and body are different between the cars. Jackass.
I'd wager they have far more in common than not. It's the same basic chassis and drivetrain.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:54 AM   #19423
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So, to the original question, the 5 speed cars are more of the classic Subaru AWD, whereas the CVT is kind of a modified AWD that is variable? Both seem to work plenty fine, but that the CVT is actually a hair more responsive.

How are these in the sand, ie, the beach? I know they're fine on dirt and gravel.. But I was wondering about deep-ish sand..
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:18 AM   #19424
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Almost everything except the engine and body are different between the cars. Jackass.
There are more similar parts than dissimilar parts.

This is not hard to figure out, look at the price difference, and the weight difference, and even you will discover that the differences are minor.

To sum up the main differences (I can find): Plastic cladding, extra height, beefed up subframe, bigger brakes, different rear differential ratio.

Anything else different between the two, other than the paint colors and the different rim design?

Since you believe yourself very astute, why not share with us all the other differences that I missed...
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:24 AM   #19425
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There are more similar parts than dissimilar parts.

This is not hard to figure out, look at the price difference, and the weight difference, and even you will discover that the differences are minor.

To sum up the main differences (I can find): Plastic cladding, extra height, beefed up subframe, bigger brakes, different rear differential ratio.

Anything else different between the two, other than the paint colors and the different rim design?

Since you believe yourself very astute, why not share with us all the other differences that I missed...
Larger radiator, faster steering, seat material (compared to a non-Sport), ability to tow without voiding your warranty, slightly different instrument cluster...
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