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Old 02-09-2011, 12:28 PM   #1
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press release and video: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/09/2...-chicago-2011/

live gallery: http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2012-...-chicago-2011/

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Chicago 2011: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 is the fastest, most powerful ever [w/video]

The 1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 was a performance monster, featuring an all-aluminum engine displacing 427 cubic inches that was originally intended for racing. Just 69 units were built, and they are highly coveted by collectors today. Perhaps it shouldn't come as a surprise, then, that Chevrolet chose to resurrect this classic moniker for what it is calling the fastest and most technologically advanced Camaro ever built.

At this point, specifications are still preliminary, but Chevrolet is estimating that its supercharged and intercooled 6.2-liter LSA V8 engine will put out around 550 horsepower and 550 pound-feet of torque. Those ponies will be sent to the rear wheels via a six-speed manual transmission using a dual-disc clutch that's necessary to properly harness all those horses. There's also a dual-mode exhaust system that alters the sound level and character in response to engine rpm.

Chevrolet tells us that its goal was to build "a Camaro intended to reach optimal lap times on top road-racing circuits and excellent driving dynamics on the street." To that end, the 2012 Camaro ZL1 will be fitted with a new electric power steering system and Magnetic Ride Control that will offer both Tour and Sport modes. Brembo brakes measuring 14.6-inch (370 mm) in the front (with six-piston calipers) and 14.4-inch (365 mm) at the rear (with four-piston calipers) bring it all back down from speed.

Naturally, there's an updated body kit to differentiate the ZL1 from lesser machines. Most notable are the redesigned fascia that features a front splitter, vertical fog lamps and air intakes designed for brake cooling. There's also a new aluminum hood with a raised, satin black-finish carbon fiber insert that uses a unique air extractor that is said to increase downforce by directing oncoming air over the car. There's also a spoiler at the rear of the car and new 20-inch aluminum wheels fitted with specially developed Goodyear Supercar F2 tires.

Chevrolet promises to have the Camaro ZL1 on dealer lots in the beginning of 2012, and it will be available in any color offered on the Camaro. We can hardly wait. In the meantime, check out all the details in the video and press release after the break, and feel free to drool over the high-res image gallery below.
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Old 02-09-2011, 12:29 PM   #2
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Old 02-09-2011, 01:09 PM   #3
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Yawn. If I'm going to drop that kind of dime, I'd rather have a new C6. Or a used C6 Z06.
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Old 02-09-2011, 01:14 PM   #4
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Yawn. If I'm going to drop that kind of dime, I'd rather have a new C6. Or a used C6 Z06.
I didn't see a price posted in the article or any of the links???

P.S. FWIW, I fully expect the Mustang to continue to be the best bang-for-yer-buck in the muscle car segment for many years to come.
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Old 02-09-2011, 01:19 PM   #5
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So is this what the "Z28" has become, or is this more akin to a Boss 302 Mustang?
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Old 02-09-2011, 01:24 PM   #6
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This is more akin to the Mustang Cobra GT500 (Supercharged 5.4L motor)
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Old 02-09-2011, 01:30 PM   #7
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Let me rephrase: are we still seeing a Z28 model and this ZL1 what that rumored model has become OR is this more like a turn-key race car model (or close to).
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Old 02-09-2011, 01:45 PM   #8
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Is it any lighter than the Caddy V?
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Old 02-09-2011, 02:26 PM   #9
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Thank god they didn't call it the Z/28

<--Still has hope that they may eventually make a striped-down, lightweight, track oriented Camaro with a high-reving "low" displacement V8.

























































Yeah right.
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Old 02-09-2011, 02:44 PM   #10
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Put me in the crowd that would MUCH rather the car go on a diet rather than add muscle...
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Old 02-09-2011, 04:05 PM   #11
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I will join your club saabaru. The car is too freaking big and it is getting stupid expensive. Muscle cars were suppose to be cheap fun. The baby boomers who are driving all the retro crap now have money and the car companies are happy to take it. I am glad the mustang can still be had for seemingly normal amount of money.
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Old 02-09-2011, 04:14 PM   #12
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+1 (Baby boomers are the bane of my existence - not all but most of 'em)...
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joined.

I'll buy a Camaro if they trim it down to 3000 lbs and give it a revvy 400hp...
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I will join your club saabaru. The car is too freaking big and it is getting stupid expensive. Muscle cars were suppose to be cheap fun. The baby boomers who are driving all the retro crap now have money and the car companies are happy to take it. I am glad the mustang can still be had for seemingly normal amount of money.
I agree. Ford seems to have a firm grasp on what a 21st century muscle car should be.
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The replacement for the current Gen IV smallblock will have direct injection, variable valve timing, and smaller displacement. So enjoy supercharged 6.2 liters while they still exist.
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I will join your club saabaru. The car is too freaking big and it is getting stupid expensive. Muscle cars were suppose to be cheap fun. The baby boomers who are driving all the retro crap now have money and the car companies are happy to take it. I am glad the mustang can still be had for seemingly normal amount of money.
When Chevy announced the Camaro pricing a couple years ago, it blew people's wigs off. The SS undercutting the SRT8s by some $10K for the same power and less weight, and the V6 with 300hp costing about what a Civic Si does and even undercutting the then recently announced "bargain car" Genesis Coupe. The GT500/ZL1 offering 550hp for around $50K? That's practically never even been done before, nothing offered that kind of power except supercars. And the Mustang is priced within $600 for the V6 and $1000 for the V8.

American muscle cars (or more specifically, the Mustang/Camaro) represent the greatest performance bargains on the market right now, except maybe Corvettes. Your statement there seems patently absurd.
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not really that absurd when you look at just how cheaply made and how parts bin manufactured the Camaro really is. It should be even cheaper, much cheaper. But if Chevy can make a nice profit, power to them. The SRT8 expense is just complete nonsense. Not enough tech, material, quality, fit or finish to warrant its price. But Mopar people are a strange bunch. If you hang out in muscle car circles as much as I have in my past you know you have ford and chevy guys, which are really a different fruit off the same tree, and then you have mopar guys, who are more a vegetable or herb or something, which does not even grow on a tree, more like a weird bush, in the desert, fed by some volcanic spring that was formed by an meteorite that happened to crash in some nonsensical part of the world. Those people will pay for the name MOPAR, they always have, and they always will.

I think for me the Mustang has been and always will be the peoples muscle car. Everybody else has been playing catch up for the past 45 years
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So is this what the "Z28" has become, or is this more akin to a Boss 302 Mustang?
Z28 is more akin to a Boss 302, if a Z28 had been built. Lighter, and higher specific output from a modest displacement V8 for Trans-Am class racing.

The ZL1 was, and now is again, a camaro with a HUGE engine in it. The original had a 427 aluminum race engine in it.

The ZL1 is firmly aimed at the GT500 and SRT8-392, as the top-dog of the lineup, not the cut-weight race-replica.


The lineup basically lines up:

Base Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger V6
Mustang GT, Camaro SS, Challenger RT
Mustang Boss 302... theoretically a Camaro Z28 would fit here... maybe a Challenger T/A (there was a 1970-only specification) would also fit here, if GM and Chrysler still had ~5 liter performance engines.
Mustang GT500, Camaro ZL1, Challenger SRT8-392.

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not really that absurd when you look at just how cheaply made and how parts bin manufactured the Camaro really is. It should be even cheaper, much cheaper. But if Chevy can make a nice profit, power to them. The SRT8 expense is just complete nonsense. Not enough tech, material, quality, fit or finish to warrant its price.
This makes no sense to me. Almost all cars that populate the $25k range have blahh interiors. The Camaro and Mustang are right on par with every Impreza, Civic, Accord, Camry, etc., I have ever driven yet this is the second time today I have seen the Camaro called overpriced. I don't think the pony cars available today are the greatest cars ever built, but to call either the Camaro or Mustang too expensive for what they are seems insane to me.
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The next gen camaro is on a diet with a new chassis. I think this is what that had at the time to work with.
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um what they had at the time? Do you recall how long they had to get the new camaro out? It was like 5-6 years of concept photos and leaks...
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yeah they had to use the platforms that were avalible to keep the styling needed to look like the concept.
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The next gen camaro is on a diet with a new chassis. I think this is what that had at the time to work with.
Which we won't see until 2014.

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Z28 is more akin to a Boss 302, if a Z28 had been built. Lighter, and higher specific output from a modest displacement V8 for Trans-Am class racing.

The ZL1 was, and now is again, a camaro with a HUGE engine in it. The original had a 427 aluminum race engine in it.

The ZL1 is firmly aimed at the GT500 and SRT8-392, as the top-dog of the lineup, not the cut-weight race-replica.
From what I understand, this ZL1 is what the Z28 was supposed to be. Different nomenclature, same car.

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Let's be fair here. I'll assume you're talking about the Mustang GT here which *isn't* equivalent to this ZL1. The GT500 is nearly identical spec wise to the ZL1 and they'll probably be priced very close to each other. Think $50k+. In short, you're comparing apples to oranges, it's not fair to compare the GT to this ZL1. You get more performance with the ZL1, and consequently, it costs more.
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