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Old 05-02-2012, 05:54 PM   #1
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Default Nootropics: Has anyone ever experimented with success?

I never really payed much attention to nootropics (smart drugs) until the Limitless movie came out and was just curious if anyone has ever had long term success with them?
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:57 PM   #2
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:59 PM   #3
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:59 PM   #4
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I never really payed much attention to nootropics (smart drugs) until the Limitless movie came out and was just curious if anyone has ever had long term success with them?
Looks like you'd need to take so much that you'd overdose and die.
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:59 PM   #5
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I tried them when I was in college. I can't say they did much for my memory or cognitive skills, but I think they helped elevate my basketball game. Also, I think they also gave me trouble sleeping.
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:01 PM   #6
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I haven't played Star Tropics in years, might have to find a rom of it.
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:01 PM   #7
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Looks like you'd need to take so much that you'd overdose and die.
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:02 PM   #8
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I tried them when I was in college. I can't say they did much for my memory or cognitive skills, but I think they helped elevate my basketball game. Also, I think they also gave me trouble sleeping.
What did you try out of curiosity?
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:52 PM   #9
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What did you try out of curiosity?
Meth. Give it a try.
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:01 PM   #10
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I tried one of them alpha brain pills once. This was after six beers and i dunno how many shots. No hangover, but i didn't feel any smarter.
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:04 PM   #11
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Clean amphetamines will make you feel like the smartest man on earth.
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:05 PM   #12
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Clean amphetamines will make you feel like the smartest man on earth.
This.

*stares at bottle of ritalin*
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:09 PM   #13
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This.

*stares at bottle of ritalin*
any side effects?
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:10 PM   #14
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Well, it isn't really Ritalin. I take Focalin XR. I used to take Concerta, but it stopped agreeing with me - heart palpitations.
Hold on, I'll show you guys an example of my posts when I'm medicated and when I'm not.
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:11 PM   #15
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Looks like you'd need to take so much that you'd overdose and die.
Your careful wording of this suggestion amuses me.
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:13 PM   #16
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Okay, you guys have seen my normal posts.
Here's me, medicated, in response to the idea that people pay millions in taxes, here: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...6&postcount=34

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Using the numbers from earlier in the thread, let's just sort of think about this using real world examples. We're going to use income tax only for the sake of simplicity.

Someone who pays $1,000,000 in taxes, using current rates, made $3,500,000 in taxable income (35% income tax rate).
Someone who pays $5,000 in income taxes, again using current rates, is making approximately $33,000 a year (15% income tax rate).

Let's look at jobs that pay $3,500,000 a year and their benefits. We've got actors, professional athletes, and CEOs / executives / etc.
Figures for Hollywood actors are tough to find.
So let's look at athletes. Major League Baseball has a nice set of benefits:

Souce: http://mlb.mlb.com/careers/index.jsp?loc=benefits
The MLBPA also has full pension.

So let's look at CEOs.
Here's where it gets really interesting and I was surprised by the numbers that actually make the $3,500,000 salary seem a little more preposterous.
LLOYD BLANKFEIN had a taxable income (salary) of $600,000 last year. He paid $210,000 in taxes last year. This year his salary is $2,000,000 - he'll pay $700,000 in taxes this year, still not $1,000,000. That said, his total compensation last year was $13,200,000, twenty-two times his salary. However, none of that is taxed - it's all stock options and and a $3,600,000 bonus. His bonus isn't taxed because Goldman Sachs owes the government less than $5,000,000,000 from TARP (Source: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...tes-bonus-tax/). So, even with compensation of $13,200,000, he STILL doesn't pay $1,000,000 in taxes.
(Numbers from http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/01/...lion-for-2010/)

Now, let's look at jobs that pay $33,000 a year.
I googled it: (http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&h...890be3cec88a95)

and the first page results were...
Local TV News Anchor (benefits vary: http://www.engineersalary.com/overpaid.asp)
Working for Amazon.com in South Carolina: (benefits vary: http://www.moultrienews.com/column/-25LEGUPDATE-)
Lumberjack (benefits vary: http://www.badeconomyjobs.com/)
Freelance Photography (no benefits: http://www.ehow.com/info_7981455_art...y-schools.html)

Their benefits don't include bonuses or stock options, as best I can tell, though I could be wrong. And lumberjacks have a more dangerous job than most CEOs (though Lloyd Blankfein may be an exception...).

So, in this case, we have someone who pays $700,000 in taxes on $13,200,000 in compensation. 700,000 / 13,200,000 = .053. So it could more realistically be said that he's paying 5.3% in taxes, not 35%.*
On the other hand, someone paying $5,000 in taxes on an income of $33,000 really does have a 15% tax rate.

Now... that IS a regressive tax, which, as mentioned above, is so unfair that no country in the world uses it.

If we went back to Clinton-era tax rates, Blankfein would instead pay $792,000 - a whopping $92,000 difference on $13,200,000 in compensation. That doesn't strike me as being too terrible nor excessive.

* = Again, this is just one example, but it does show, I think, exactly how few and far between people who pay $1,000,000 in taxes probably are. For reference, Bill Gates' salary in 2006 (most recent I could find from a source that wasn't, literally, in all caps, "BILL GATES SALARY WAS $91000000000000 LAST YEAR" ) was $616,667 with a $350,000 bonus. (Source: Bill Gates on Wikipedia) Read that again, and let it sink in. The richest man in America was not only paid less than Lloyd Blankfein, but at 35% he paid... $215,833.45 in income taxes. Again, the richest man in America did not pay $1,000,000 in taxes. In the interest of fairness, going back to sports, Chipper Jones of the Atlanta Braves (who DOES indirectly make his money from taxpayer funded infrastructure as people drive on public roads to come to the games, but that's another matter entirely) has an annual salary of $14,000,000 - so yeah, at 35% he's paying $4,900,000 in taxes. But pro athletes with salaries like that are very few and far between.
(Source: http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/3006/chipper-jones)
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:19 PM   #17
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:21 PM   #18
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:25 PM   #19
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So would you say with the help of the Focalin XR, you were able to retain more information that normal? Seems like your wording is much more complex lol
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:39 PM   #20
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I write better, I think more clearly, I pay more attention to detail, my attention span is greatly improved, and I'm able to reason much better at an abstract and critical level. It's really a night and day difference for me.
This post is a goddamn chore to write because I'm currently unmedicated. I've written and re-written it about a dozen times.

However - I can't stress these things enough.
1. EVERYONE is different. What works for me isn't going to work for other people, and may not work in the same way. The way one dose of one particular drug affects me is going to be entirely different than the way the same dose of the same drug affects someone else.
2. I have a prescription. These are amphetamines, not just something you can buy over the counter. They are very VERY dangerous if used improperly, and, again, everyone is different.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:48 PM   #21
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You multiply a negative by a positive and you still get a negative. You multiply my intelligence by infinity and it approaches negative infinity.

My brain is like those old school odometers that only went to 99,999. Well, my IQ only goes to about 99.999 before reverting back to zero. I'm so stupid I don't even know what stupid is as stupid does means.
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Old 05-02-2012, 09:39 PM   #22
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Old 05-02-2012, 09:54 PM   #23
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Not going to lie...I've considered it. There are definitely other "drugs" out there that do increase cognitive activity/acuity. I haven't read anything that proves differently, but also nothing conclusive that states that they absolutely do work. There is definitely a science behind it, but it is far beyond my comprehension. Regardless, I was thinking a few days ago that I would try it in cycles for a few months, one month on, one month off. Most are relatively inexpensive ($30-$40 for a months supply). I've read almost nothing negative on the subject...nobody claiming crazy side effects. What can it hurt, right?......Someone prove me wrong before I waste money.
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Old 05-02-2012, 09:59 PM   #24
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:03 PM   #25
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I'm currently taking Dr. Feel Good multi which contains a non-stimulant nootopic complex as well as a boat load of other stuff, I can't tell the difference.

Every time I listen to the Joe Rogan Experience I think I should try Alpha Brain and a fleshlight
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