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Old 02-10-2011, 09:27 AM   #1
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Owners of battery-electric vehicles such as the Nissan Leaf and the Tesla Roadster not only don't buy gasoline, they don't pay any of the fuel taxes that help support road maintenance.

A bill introduced this week in Washington state is attempting to change that, because EV drivers use the same roads as other Washingtonians who presently pay a hefty state gas tax of 37.5 cents per gallon.

State Sen. Mary Margaret Haugen thinks that's only unfair. Under the legislation she and others proposed, electric-car owners would pay a special $100 fee each year when registering their vehicles.

Haugen said the bill is meant to ensure that EV owners pay their fair share into the state's highway fund, which is supported by a gas tax. A similar measure died in the Senate last year.

There eventually will have to be a way to get road taxes from alternative-fuel vehicles, and Washington might be the first state to come up with a reasonable solution.

At $100 annually, the amount certainly isn't excessive. At 37.5 cents a gallon, the owner of a gas-powered vehicle would pay $100 in state gas taxes after buying 266 gallons.

That equates to 6,666 miles of driving for someone whose vehicle averages 25 miles per gallon. Most EV drivers in Washington state now likely don't travel more than that in a year.

Analysts for the governor's budget office have calculated that the average owner of a conventional car or light truck in Washington pays $204 in state gas taxes annually.

The state's anti-tax activists claim the $100 would amount to a tax - not a fee - and therefore should be subject to an initiative approved last November that requires a two-thirds vote in the House and Senate for passage.

At this time it's unclear whether the bill will make it out of the Senate, but some members of the House have already voiced their approval of the legislation.

The analysts have estimated that the number of EVs subject to the fee would increase from around 1,800 today to more than 8,900 by 2016 and would raise about $400,000 in 2013 and $1.9 million by the 2015-17 state budget cycle.

The governor's proposed transportation budget for the next two years is $6.9 billion.
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Old 02-10-2011, 09:49 AM   #2
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And yet, with Cafe standards of better gas mileage, cars are going to be using less gas.

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Old 02-10-2011, 11:33 AM   #3
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And yet, with Cafe standards of better gas mileage, cars are going to be using less gas.

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Yup. One way or another gas tax revenues per vehicle-mile will be heading downwards.
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:05 PM   #4
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Politicians won't let revenue decline over-all, though. If it isn't taken at the gas pump, it will be extorted somewhere else.

This makes an expensive electric or hybrid car, compared to a standard gasoline or diesel alternative even less attractive.

Pay more for the car, and get hit with increased taxes anyway.

Government line item budgeting means their budgets grow by a fixed percentage every year unless the legislative body specifies otherwise. Revenues can't go down. They can't even stay the same... they must go up. And they also have to go up faster than the budget, if the government has debt to service for overspending previous budgets, too.
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:16 PM   #5
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Now you know why they greatly favor the global warming CO2 theory.
CO2 taxes = Billions $
Oregon wanted to install GPS units to track mileage in Hybrids to get more taxes too.

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Up next in the Senate, bills to introduce new bicycle taxes, skateboard taxes, and rollerblading taxes. They use the same roads as gasoline powered automobiles, so they should pay their fair share Senators argue.
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Up next in the Senate, bills to introduce new bicycle taxes, skateboard taxes, and rollerblading taxes. They use the same roads as gasoline powered automobiles, so they should pay their fair share Senators argue.
Are you really that daft?

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Up next in the Senate, bills to introduce new bicycle taxes, skateboard taxes, and rollerblading taxes. They use the same roads as gasoline powered automobiles, so they should pay their fair share Senators argue.
next up? baby strollers, luggage with the wheels on it, and wheel chairs.

I imagine after they get those initiatives passed they're going to go for pedestrians, dogs and livestock.

and after that? cats, hamsters and ferrets.

someone will undoubtedly do a report on whether they can tax wild animals, but they will decide to drop it after they find that most wildlife lives on land owned by the government, and as such, the government would have to pay itself more than they would get.

Actually, what am I saying, they'll make it a tax anyway and tax themselves.
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No, he's Canadian.

But the bright side is, for once its not California introducing some wacky legislation or tax idea.
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No, he's Canadian.

But the bright side is, for once its not California introducing some wacky legislation or tax idea.
If it wasn't for Cali grabbing all of the headlines, you'd see more of just how ridiculous the financial situation in Washington really is.

Even some of the liberals are voting new taxes down at this point.
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No, he's Canadian.

But the bright side is, for once its not California introducing some wacky legislation or tax idea.
to be fair, they probably thought of it, but they realized they can't pay to fund such legislation and gave up.
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At $100 annually, the amount certainly isn't excessive. At 37.5 cents a gallon, the owner of a gas-powered vehicle would pay $100 in state gas taxes after buying 266 gallons.
I'll take that on the vehicle instead of per mile charges fed to the government with GPS data. The gas tax will need refigured between higher mpg, cng, and electric vehicles.

We need to pay for the infrastructure. The other option is to change all the roads into toll roads. <- EEK.
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I'll take that on the vehicle instead of per mile charges fed to the government with GPS data. The gas tax will need refigured between higher mpg, cng, and electric vehicles.

We need to pay for the infrastructure. The other option is to change all the roads into toll roads. <- EEK.
We already pay. A LOT.

It is the government that wastes what it takes from us, and doesn't do their work.

They need to cut a lot of deadwood programs that give taxdollars away to people who don't earn it, to buy votes.

Once they stop giving that away, and pay down their debt obligations, and pass balanced budget laws to keep it from happening again, they'll find that they take far more from the citizenry than is required to properly manage the enumerated powers that the people rightfully expect their government to handle.

The problem is, they are too interested in getting their gub'mint mitts into all sorts of things they have no legitimate authority to get into.

It isn't up to the people to fall into the poorhouse so that the government can meddle in everyone's lives even more than they already onerously do.
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Are you sure about this? Interesting article recently that argued otherwise and gave some good historical perspective. I'll see if I can find it.
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Are you sure about this? Interesting article recently that argued otherwise and gave some good historical perspective. I'll see if I can find it.
That article basically argued that trucks will become yet more prevalent due to their laxer CAFE standards, no? Well, that'll happen for a few (many?) years but eventually the truck CAFE standards will rise above the current fleet average standards and then the prophecy will come to fruition.
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