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Old 08-21-2015, 09:26 AM   #1
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Shelby, Boss, Mach 1, Bullitt. No model on the market celebrates its history more than the Ford Mustang. The Ford Motor Company [NYSE:F] is about to release the Shelby GT350 and GT350R Mustangs, promising that the R will be the best Mustang track car ever. And if a report from Automotive News (subscription required) is correct, a Mach 1 edition Mustang will return for the 2018 model year. That report also states that the 2018 Mustang will get a new front fascia and the 10-speed automatic transmission Ford has been working on with General Motors Company



Ford last offered a Mach 1 Mustang for the 2003 and 2004 model years. Highlighting that car was the dual-overhead cam 4.6-liter V8, which upped horsepower to 310 from 260 in the single-overhead cam 4.6. The car also came with 13-inch Brembo front brake rotors, Tokico gas shocks and struts, lower and stiffer springs, anti-lock brakes, comfort-weave-style leather upholstery, and a functional hood scoop.

The Mach 1 package made its debut on the 1969 Mustang and continued through 1978. The 1969 Mach 1 came standard with a 250-horsepower 351-cubic inch V-8 and buyers could opt for the 390 or 428, with horsepower rising as high as 360 with the Super Cobra Jet. It also featured the competition suspension, chrome steel wheels, and color-keyed dual racing mirrors, and it was only offered in the Sportsroof (read: fastback) body style. The GT option was dropped after 1969, with Mach 1 effectively taking its place.



The larger 1971-73 Mustangs and the smaller 1974-78 Mustang IIs were also offered as Mach 1s, with performance gradually dwindling.

The 10-speed automatic should also see duty in Ford pickups and next-generation Lincolns, basically anything with big V-8 or twin-turbo V-6 power. Based on the struggles today's 9-speed automatics have had, we can't imagine adding any more than 10 gears. Let's hope (and expect) that 2018 Mach 1 will also offer a manual.
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10 speed automatic, holy balls... wonder if the Mach 1 will have Voodoo motor... mmmmm
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Old 08-21-2015, 01:38 PM   #3
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Old 08-21-2015, 02:46 PM   #4
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Old 08-21-2015, 02:54 PM   #5
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is also the 50th anniversary of the movie "Bullitt" so hoping they bring two SE's for MY18....
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10 gears . Why, just why?
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10 gears . Why, just why?
Because seven ate nine!
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Old 08-25-2015, 01:05 AM   #9
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Because seven ate nine!
Maybe we should just give it a cvt?
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Old 08-25-2015, 01:53 AM   #10
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Maybe we should just give it a cvt?
Oh god. I just had a vision of a brodozer with a loud exhaust and a CVT. Can you imagine the droooooooooooone? *shudder*
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Old 08-25-2015, 07:40 AM   #11
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might as well drive it straight to the junk yard
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10 gears . Why, just why?
I mean, the advantages of more gears are obvious.

Obviously adding gears is a diminishing return, but rest assured, millions upon millions of dollars is spent on R&D determining if the added complexity (and some times weight/box size/etc.) are worth the efficiency benefits gained by adding the extra gear.

They're not doing it for the hell of it. If CVTs were reliable and able to handle suitable torque numbers, they'd be the way to go as far as efficiency goes. In the meantime, adding gears to autoboxes closes those gaps.

They'll keep adding until it makes no sense to add more.

They said the same thing about 6 speed autos...bu alas, people loved them. Then 7. The 8 speed in entry level BMWs is simply awesome...blowing the old six speed right out of the water on all fronts. Why would we necessarily assume 10 is too many? Of course, at some point, it will be enough. But what info are you going on vs. what the engineers know to question the decision?
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I mean, the advantages of more gears are obvious.

Obviously adding gears is a diminishing return, but rest assured, millions upon millions of dollars is spent on R&D determining if the added complexity (and some times weight/box size/etc.) are worth the efficiency benefits gained by adding the extra gear.

They're not doing it for the hell of it. If CVTs were reliable and able to handle suitable torque numbers, they'd be the way to go as far as efficiency goes. In the meantime, adding gears to autoboxes closes those gaps.

They'll keep adding until it makes no sense to add more.

They said the same thing about 6 speed autos...bu alas, people loved them. Then 7. The 8 speed in entry level BMWs is simply awesome...blowing the old six speed right out of the water on all fronts. Why would we necessarily assume 10 is too many? Of course, at some point, it will be enough. But what info are you going on vs. what the engineers know to question the decision?
This is the same company that touted they were getting 26mpg out of an F150 ecoboost. They dont exactly get it right all the time. Ford is a good company, but if 10 gears was truly beneficial, don't you think that other performance car companies that typically lead the way would have gone that route first?

More is not always better.
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somebody has to be first.

Its really the transmission companies that do the grunt of the development work on these things.

I don't think any of us are qualified to comment on weather or not 10 speeds make sense for the car, without a couple thousand hours of simulation. It is not a straightforward question to answer.

I cant help but thinking if you cram 10 speeds into a transmission you might be sacrificing longevity or at least weight. The counter point is you sure have alot of redundancy if you lose a gear or five.

What I really want to know is when Dual clutch is hitting american performance and muscle cars.
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This is the same company that touted they were getting 26mpg out of an F150 ecoboost. They dont exactly get it right all the time. Ford is a good company, but if 10 gears was truly beneficial, don't you think that other performance car companies that typically lead the way would have gone that route first?

More is not always better.
You still have yet to put forth any basis for your knee-jerk reaction that it can't be better, or provide tangible benefits.

ZF makes a 9 speed auto. But 10, defacto too many?

Other performance car companies? Most "performance" cars, don't run TC-based autos for starter. Secondly, most car companies don't make their own transmissions. This is a Ford/GM joint venture. No, I don't know of many 'performance car companies" who'd take it upon themselves to built their own transmissions, let alone their own 10 speed auto. Which ones did you have in mind?

A good read on it:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...-transmission/

Packages similar to an 8 speed.

Again, you have no basis implying there are no advantages. None at all.

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We can't keep doing this.

4-5, 5-6, 6-7, 7-8, (even 8-9)...all sparked the same "arguments" that no more gears were needed. Because reasons.

Yet, car manufacturers have adopted them across the board in order to meet fuel economy standards...and drivers have loved them.

If it improves performance and economy, what problem could you possibly have with it?

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More is not always better.
All else being equal for gears it is
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Mine goes to 11.......

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I want to see a return to the dual final drive gearboxes of the 80's like on the Mitsu Cordia.



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Old 08-25-2015, 04:37 PM   #20
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That essentially "doubles" the number of gears, right? 4 gears x 2 final drives?

That's pretty cool.
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Yes ish.

Basically you have two final drives so your 1-4 are identical, but you might have a 2.18fd for fuel economy and a 4.44fd for driving like an idiot. So it "doubles" the gears in the sense that it gives you two different transmissions. Day to day use you might be able to turn your 4 spd into a 5 or 6 spd, not an 8spd.
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Old 08-25-2015, 04:47 PM   #22
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Old 08-25-2015, 06:28 PM   #23
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We can't keep doing this.

4-5, 5-6, 6-7, 7-8, (even 8-9)...all sparked the same "arguments" that no more gears were needed. Because reasons.

Yet, car manufacturers have adopted them across the board in order to meet fuel economy standards...and drivers have loved them.

If it improves performance and economy, what problem could you possibly have with it?
Except the ZF 9 speed has been pretty much universally derided. Most report 9th is almost never used, and when you're in the rare scenario where 9th is used, a slight breeze will make it do the 9-8-7-8-9 dance.

Much of that may be due to the current FWD V6 and I4 engines used with it not having enough low end torque to be able to maintain 80+ (when 9th is used) at such a low RPM though.
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I want to see a return to the dual final drive gearboxes of the 80's like on the Mitsu Cordia.



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Hey! Four gears! Just like my Forester.
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Old 08-25-2015, 08:08 PM   #25
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The 4+3 in the C4 vette was very cool - button on the shifter for overdrive in each gear - Mitsu Cordia a sweet setup as well.
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