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Old 02-13-2011, 03:49 AM   #26
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the kit will probably be designed specifically to use the suspension and brake parts from an Impreza.
We shall see. I doubt they will build a mid engine car and then not give at least the option of going with a proven racing suspension design.
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Old 02-13-2011, 04:53 AM   #27
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I have several ideas, coupes, and roadsters.
DeLorean DMC12 updated to today.
Alfa Romeo Tipo 33 Stradale
Porsche 904 Carrera
Faux-rrari 250LM, Dino, or any number of mid-engined bodies, or even the original Dino concept.
Mercedes C111 concept
Marcos Mantis XP
Affordable knock-off of a Porsche Carrera GT, or 918 with boxer power.
Sterling, or newer canopy designs like Maserati Birdcage 75th, or Saab AeroX
Jag XJ13, CX75, XJ220, or XJ15
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I'm no lawyer, but the reasons all the Cobra replicas were possible were of a legal nature:
-The Cobra itself was an AC Ace (British car) modified in America with an American engine. This is a complicated origin from a legal standpoint, I think, as far as who ends up claiming OEM of the car, since AC I think was on its way out at the time anyway.
-Once Shelby established his work with the Cobra, I don't think that from a legal standpoint he pursued the replica makers "strong enough" for several decades. He began pursuing them strong enough only in the last decade and legally, if you can't prove you were battling in court "strong enough", you somewhat lose your right to your brand.

A lawyer will probably write the above much better than this engineer can..
Anyway, the same situation will not happen with established companies like Daimler Benz, Alfa Romeo S.P.A (of FIAT Auto, BTW), Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG.
These people could unleash such a legal battlestorm if a Factory Five replica of one of their beloved classics appears..... forgetaboutit.

I'm not so sure about Marcos and DeLorean, that may work, especially if the body itself is only an evolution of the original body.

Lancia was at one point going to be wound down by FIAT Auto.
I think this is why the Czech guy that wants to start making Stratos evolved replicas was able to start working towards this.
I wonder if he's going to be pursued legally by the Italian Styling House that styled the Stratos in the first place, even if FIAT will leave him alone.
I want to say that the Stratos was a Bertone.
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Old 02-13-2011, 07:24 AM   #28
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Meh, exactly why bother with a replica when there's a clean slate?

Sure you can be inspired by other cars, just as every single car is and they tend to look like each other, but make it somehow original.

I'm glad they're having an open design contest to help them come up with the final body.
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Old 02-13-2011, 09:13 AM   #29
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Give the napkin design a hardtop and I'm diggin it.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:26 AM   #30
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Brakes I don't mind, especially if STI brembos can be used.

But I would very much hope they would step up the suspension.

SLA suspension all the way around would be GREAT, especially if they can use off-the-shelf standard shocks and springs from a different car, such as a Miata or something. They could also use some of the suspension tech from their mid-engined GTM, if they wanted to.

McPherson struts can work in a pinch with packaging concerns, but on a car like this, I doubt the packaging is going to be as constricted, in the front or rear... so not compromising the suspension on a sports car with an uncompromising mid-engined layout, would be preferable.
I wouldn't even want the Brembos. It would just be needless unsprung weight for a car that will likely be <2000 lbs. and increases costs.
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Old 02-13-2011, 11:25 AM   #31
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Lancia was at one point going to be wound down by FIAT Auto.
I think this is why the Czech guy that wants to start making Stratos evolved replicas was able to start working towards this.
I wonder if he's going to be pursued legally by the Italian Styling House that styled the Stratos in the first place, even if FIAT will leave him alone.
I want to say that the Stratos was a Bertone.
Actually, Lancia let the trademark lapse. Bertone called up Hrabalek, the Czech guy who was a Stratos collector and 16 at the time, and asked if he knew who owned the rights to the name. He looked into it and found out that nobody owned it so he bought the copyright. So he owns it now which is why he was able to make the new Stratos.

http://www.insideline.com/lancia/str...w-stratos.html
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:43 PM   #32
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:59 PM   #33
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Can't wait for the FFR open house this year. I live about a 1/2hr from them.

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Old 02-13-2011, 01:00 PM   #34
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Give the napkin design a hardtop and I'm diggin it.
It say's it'll be a removable hard top.

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Old 02-13-2011, 02:05 PM   #35
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Hopefully it looks loads better than the Murtaya. Blech.
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Old 02-13-2011, 03:29 PM   #36
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Can't wait for the FFR open house this year. I live about a 1/2hr from them.

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It thinks it's this weekend, hence the announcement.

They have just introduced official forums and have give the Subaru car it's own subforum.

http://www.thefactoryfiveforum.com/
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Old 02-13-2011, 05:58 PM   #37
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Yes, there was 'an' open house this past Sat. The 'big' one is on June 11.

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Old 02-13-2011, 06:51 PM   #38
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Yes, there was 'an' open house this past Sat. The 'big' one is on June 11.

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Sweet! I wonder if the body development can be done by then? Sounds like the chassis is basically all done (in Solidworks anyways).
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Old 02-13-2011, 07:12 PM   #39
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They should just partner up with Prodrive and bring the P2 into production.
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Old 02-13-2011, 08:44 PM   #40
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I wonder what they'll use for a transmission if it's going to be rwd...
Couldn't they just use the front half of the WRX powertrain (i.e., remove the back shaft)? I assume so since they're calling it a one-donor car...though it will be interesting to see how they swap the steering components, etc. around.

I'll be impressed if they can keep the price near the target. Time to find some WRX engine and trans dimensions and start rendering some ideas if it's going to be a community project...Wonder if they'll retain the top-mount or use something else (air-to-water, etc.)?

Very cool--I hope things work out.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:42 PM   #41
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I think one company (Australian) has a conversion kit for the transmission that basically removes the rear output shaft from a 5MT.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:49 PM   #42
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They could use a WRX transmission with a FWD "transfer case" (back cover with a set of gears in it) or they could use a bellhousing adapter with a VW (or is it Porsche) gearbox. VW/Porsche might be a bit weak for the power crazy (esp with a lack of gear options) while a WRX transmission (modified) would be a bit long in a RWD setup. Personally I would rather see this as a front engine, rear wheel drive car, though I would not kick it out of bed for being a mid/rear
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Old 02-14-2011, 02:18 AM   #43
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They could use a WRX transmission with a FWD "transfer case" (back cover with a set of gears in it) or they could use a bellhousing adapter with a VW (or is it Porsche) gearbox. VW/Porsche might be a bit weak for the power crazy (esp with a lack of gear options) while a WRX transmission (modified) would be a bit long in a RWD setup. Personally I would rather see this as a front engine, rear wheel drive car, though I would not kick it out of bed for being a mid/rear
I don't know, I find the idea of a 914 swap that you don't have to repair all the rust on appealing
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The AWD transmission with the rear shaft removed would probably be good for about 200 HP. I sure wouldn't try an STi motor.
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:44 AM   #45
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1800 lb curb weight won't put as much stress on the transmission as a 3100 lb Subaru.
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At that, being RWD only, it'll transfer to spinning wheels instead of tranfering the slippage from the wheels that grip, back through the driveline, through the gripping clutch, to the gears.

People thought they were weak. No. Only when being ham fisted and having 'too much' grip. When all the wheels grip, something mechanical has to, and will, give.

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Old 02-14-2011, 09:56 AM   #47
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An attainable, newer Delfino Feroce. Works for me.

Top Gear (the old version) did a review of the Feroce, I saw it the other day. It'd be great to see a new roadster with a turbo engine!
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:27 AM   #48
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They're having a competition to design the body:



Here's my submission



I wonder what they'll use for a transmission if it's going to be rwd...
Is there going to be a public vote on body style? That looks awesome btw. Much more appealing to me than the sketch...
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That's the new Lancia Stratos.

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Old 02-14-2011, 11:44 AM   #50
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The AWD transmission with the rear shaft removed would probably be good for about 200 HP. I sure wouldn't try an STi motor.
Did you just derp? The 5MT was designed to work as both an AWD and FWD transmission from its inception.
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