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Old 06-05-2012, 05:19 PM   #951
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hopefully it means more conveniences and a hardtop. if that's the case, i'll gladly drop my 400whp motor in it, and get high mpg (relative to the mpg i get in my current car!)
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Old 06-05-2012, 05:52 PM   #952
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hopefully it means more conveniences and a hardtop. if that's the case, i'll gladly drop my 400whp motor in it, and get high mpg (relative to the mpg i get in my current car!)
400 WHP would be awesome in a 818!
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Old 06-05-2012, 06:51 PM   #953
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Are those 1st gen Mazda3 headlights?


Edit: probably not.
Camry lights.... and i hate them with a passion... over all i think the front looks terrible, so i hope they clean it up and make it look less like a bad body kit bumper... i sure hope they do a little something with it.


also guys, the true high mileage coupe is likely to be TDI or maybe a new 3 cylinder ecoboost from what we see on the site. not saying a NA EJ or a Turbo EJ wont be allowed with a coupe body, just that the other engines can actually provide great MPGs. The coupe is used over a roadster for the high mileage due to its better aerodynamic nature.
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Old 06-05-2012, 07:11 PM   #954
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yeah, i get that. i'm just hoping they don't shoot themselves in the foot by not even allowing the turbo motor to fin in the coupe body. it's definitely going to be one chassis, right? so the motor will fit, it just might not fit under the "MPG" skin. and unless they have some pretty good reasons for it, i doubt they would make it so the turbo motor physically couldn't fit under the "MPG" skin. that would kill off a lot of potential customers when they're already there with the chassis.

my guess is that the "MPG" car will be outfitted with a TDI motor just for the sake of showing versatility, but that doesn't mean the turbo motor wouldn't fit. they shouldn't be mutually exclusive when it's a world car and the customer is supplying the running gear. gosh, i feel like HipToBeSquare with this long response.
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:30 PM   #955
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Maybe hardtop has issues getting enough air to the tmic, hence reserved for high mpg?
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Old 06-05-2012, 09:27 PM   #956
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yeah, i was thinking about that. i have a front mount currently, was thinking i would make a WAIC if i got this car. if nothing else, to keep from running the intake from the back of the car to the front bumper and back to the motor.
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Old 06-05-2012, 09:32 PM   #957
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guys, the true high mileage coupe is likely to be TDI or maybe a new 3 cylinder ecoboost from what we see on the site. not saying a NA EJ or a Turbo EJ wont be allowed with a coupe body, just that the other engines can actually provide great MPGs. The coupe is used over a roadster for the high mileage due to its better aerodynamic nature.

which is what I thought...aka they were making the high mpg car for a different engine.

If that's true, there is no promise we'll see a coupe ejxx based car. At least not initially.
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:04 AM   #958
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Well, that just sucks.

I want a mid engine hard top coupe with an EJ series engine.

Why do they even care about mileage? You are a kit car manufacturer that makes high power sports cars, stick with that formula. People can already buy a high mileage commuter car from all the other manufacturers out there.
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:10 AM   #959
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I think the goal of the MPG is show you can have a high mileage but fun car.
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:15 AM   #960
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I think the goal of the MPG is show you can have a high mileage but fun car.


Give me a break.

A person that builds a kit car is not going to drive it everyday, so worrying about MPG is really stupid. It's almost as bad as someone with a 400 HP STI bitching because they only get 12 MPG.
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:20 AM   #961
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Well, that just sucks.

I want a mid engine hard top coupe with an EJ series engine.

Why do they even care about mileage? You are a kit car manufacturer that makes high power sports cars, stick with that formula. People can already buy a high mileage commuter car from all the other manufacturers out there.
It's only one version of the car. They have the sporting/track range covered. Hyper-miling, economy, etc. are all gaining in popularity these days. I can certainly see a market for some "green" shade-tree to want to build an ultra mpg car.

There's certainly no harm in them offering a version of the kit built for a more economical engine. Certainly nothign for you to be upset about.

No, just as you can't buy a 1800 lbs sports car from "all the other manufacturers out there", people can't buy a high mileage commuter car from them either. The closest thing is 600-1000 lbs. heavier.
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:33 AM   #962
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I still don't see the point of it.

I doubt Most of the "green" types are also the type of hobbyist that we are, nor would they want to build the car themselves.

I guess it's because I am of the frame of mind that I could care less about mileage (drill baby drill, lol).

Yes, the track version has been taken care of, but they need a hard top version for the track as well. Not everyone wants an open top sports car for a track car. If they want to build a hard top economy car, fine. But they need to build a hard top track version as well.
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:56 AM   #963
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Yes, the track version has been taken care of, but they need a hard top version for the track as well. Not everyone wants an open top sports car for a track car. If they want to build a hard top economy car, fine. But they need to build a hard top track version as well.
I agree, however, the mere existence of the hard-top eco-version will only made it MORE likely that you'll eventually be able to get a WRX-based coupe.

So, nothing to be upset about, it's a good thing.
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Old 06-06-2012, 09:21 AM   #964
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Not to mention this is going to be one one the first models they have where they already have agreements with established builder to offer turn key models from day 1. So not everyone will buy it to build it.
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Old 06-06-2012, 09:41 AM   #965
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I still don't see "tree huggers" buying one of these. Lol
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Old 06-06-2012, 09:46 AM   #966
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A real tree-hugger DIYer would have already stuffed a TDI engine into a 914.
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I still don't see "tree huggers" buying one of these. Lol
No but maybe Tesla owner wannabes would
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Those people already stuffed an EV drivetrain into a 914.

http://evcl.com/914/
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Those people already stuffed an EV drivetrain into a 914.

http://evcl.com/914/
Damn hippy nerds.
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Old 06-06-2012, 10:49 AM   #970
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A person that builds a kit car is not going to drive it everyday, so worrying about MPG is really stupid.
I plan to DD mine.

I'm not going after the high mileage version, but it is an interesting proposition.

Track version: over the top, balls out, aggressive: for the hardcore racer
Roadster: Fun weekend car, not quite over the top, for the weekend warrior
high MPG: for the very opposite end of the spectrum of the track version

They can hit a much broader range of people/markets with minimal RD efforts between each market/car type. I'm not going to complain if my 400whp STI gets 12 mpg, but at the same time if I can have similar performance or a fun car and get 60mph? It's just icing on the cake.

My wifes MCS is fun to drive and gets mid 30's MPG. My WRX was more fun to drive, but only got 19mpg. We often took her car on road trips or across town just to save on gas. We're not poor either (far from it) but enjoy being frugal in some areas in order to splurge in others.
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:30 AM   #971
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has there been any word on the extent of the interior and driver accommodations? that might tell you if it even can be daily driven. things like windshield wipers, a defroster, a heater (would add a lot of weight with the heater core + blower motor assembly), interior carpeting, roll up windows, etc.

the differences between a hard top and a convertible might not seem like a lot, but it adds a lot of complexity to bringing a product to market. and if you're building the car from scratch, i'd guess you can get away with a lot less in the convertible.

i'm not talking about 'luxury' items like a stereo, airbags, sound deadening, or seat heaters. the items i'm asking about are all bare bones things that all add a lot of weight. if they can bring the car to market at ~1,800 lbs, WITH the heater core, wiper motors, blower assembly, etc, then i'm truly impressed! can't wait to see what they show in their next announcement!
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Current Go Kart weight (un bodied prototype) is 1500lbs. Not sure a body would weigh 300, but that gives them opportunity to add heater core/fan.

I minimally would want a heater core, AC is aplus, but certainly not needed, a simple stereo with 2 speakers (all I need is an aux port and 2 speakers really), and a lockable glove box.
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my guess is that the "MPG" car will be outfitted with a TDI motor just for the sake of showing versatility, but that doesn't mean the turbo motor wouldn't fit. they shouldn't be mutually exclusive when it's a world car and the customer is supplying the running gear.
That's my hope. I like the idea of using the 818C as a daily driver. The roadster could still be an option though if there is a removable hardtop and windows that aren't zip-ins.

Edit: And mechie3 is right, gotta have a lockable glove box....for uh....2nd amendment reasons.
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:10 PM   #975
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what is the coefficient of drag? I hope is really low.

This thing with 500whp and my built Albin tranny has to be

I am going to start saving my pennies :

The car needs a hard top, it will look ridiculous with a soft top.

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