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Old 09-30-2012, 12:00 AM   #1026
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Looks promising, apart from the silly ride height they have in that picture. What's that good for, an inch of suspension travel?
That's a photoshopped picture taking way jackstands holding it over a foot in the air.

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Looks like a cheap kit car. Sorry, but the huge one piece body makes it look more like a toy than a car. The Superformance kit cars have a more complete car look to it.

Still, for a toy, a very good effort. I personally do not like it
That's the 818R which is the track version with no doors. The street version hasn't been shown yet so hold reservation till then. Also what do you expect from 10k and you actually get a crapton with that 10k. Will it still not look like a unibody mass produced car with literally millions upon millions in RD, more millions on manufacturing processing, etc etc? Ofcourse not, it's from a small car company with a single team doing the entire process minus things like lights, windshield, soft-top, engine/trans and brakes.

I personally can't wait for the hardtop to come out. When I spoke to Jim about it he said it shouldn't cost more then 2 grand for a hardtop with power windows. I just hope it's not an addon hardtop like you see with miatas/s2ks and is a built in piece.
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Old 09-30-2012, 01:46 PM   #1027
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I personally can't wait for the hardtop to come out. When I spoke to Jim about it he said it shouldn't cost more then 2 grand for a hardtop with power windows. I just hope it's not an addon hardtop like you see with miatas/s2ks and is a built in piece.

Plus one for hardtop and power windows....
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Old 09-30-2012, 01:55 PM   #1028
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Power windows? Really.
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Old 09-30-2012, 04:24 PM   #1029
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Power windows? Really.
Next thing you know they'll want glass side windows to attach to the power window regulators.


Some people will never understand what this car is about until they see one at which point they certainly won't want one. Fortunately, there seem to be enough people who 'get it' to make it a success for FFR.
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Old 09-30-2012, 04:47 PM   #1030
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That's a photoshopped picture taking way jackstands holding it over a foot in the air.



That's the 818R which is the track version with no doors. The street version hasn't been shown yet so hold reservation till then. Also what do you expect from 10k and you actually get a crapton with that 10k. Will it still not look like a unibody mass produced car with literally millions upon millions in RD, more millions on manufacturing processing, etc etc? Ofcourse not, it's from a small car company with a single team doing the entire process minus things like lights, windshield, soft-top, engine/trans and brakes.

I personally can't wait for the hardtop to come out. When I spoke to Jim about it he said it shouldn't cost more then 2 grand for a hardtop with power windows. I just hope it's not an addon hardtop like you see with miatas/s2ks and is a built in piece.
I completely understand what your saying, but I was hoping for a more production looking car. I will certainly wait for the road going version, but I have a fairly strong distaste for kit cars in general. I just keep popping in here ever 6 months or so to see how the progress is going out of curiosity.
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Old 09-30-2012, 05:05 PM   #1031
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I would want some kind of side windows (not neccesarily power), since I would like to build one capable of daily driving.

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Old 09-30-2012, 07:09 PM   #1032
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Some people will never understand what this car is about until they see one at which point they certainly won't want one. Fortunately, there seem to be enough people who 'get it' to make it a success for FFR.
For this car to be a commercial success it will have to have a fair amount of people who will buy it as an every day summer driver. Not everyone needs to "get it" the way you do.
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:00 PM   #1033
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Next thing you know they'll want glass side windows to attach to the power window regulators.


Some people will never understand what this car is about until they see one at which point they certainly won't want one. Fortunately, there seem to be enough people who 'get it' to make it a success for FFR.
It's about what people want and will buy. Some of us want a car we can drive on the street. Thankfully FFR, rather than you, will decide where the market is.
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:23 PM   #1034
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I would want some kind of side windows (not neccesarily power), since I would like to build one capable of daily driving.
Keep in mind there's no top either, a third party vendor is putting something together. So it could be a pricey, poorly implemented solution. The top options for the Cobras are comical. The top and other comforts depend on how the car sells. If there's a busy market other vendors will get involved. I'd love to retain the AC, so I hope there's a decent option for enclosing the cabin.
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:59 PM   #1035
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I'm going to hold out for a hard top car or add on hard top. I dont like convertibles or open top cars.

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Old 09-30-2012, 09:31 PM   #1036
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I completely understand what your saying, but I was hoping for a more production looking car. I will certainly wait for the road going version, but I have a fairly strong distaste for kit cars in general. I just keep popping in here ever 6 months or so to see how the progress is going out of curiosity.
Well if you're not a fan of kit cars I highly doubt there will be anything to like. You can never expect a kit car that is emulating very high performance/styling at a fraction of the cost to not have corners cut. I always find it funny when people(not you) compare its fit and finish to cars in it's price range(15-18k) all the while still expecting everything short of a complimentary brick of black tar heroine.

For me, I think the car looks very promising. The kitcar look doesn't bother me the slightest. Not everything is for everyone and that's fine. I already have a DD STi, this car would more then likely just be a summer toy and maybe DD from time to time. Best yet for me, I happen to have over half the items required to build the car. I just need a trans, NA exhaust, wiring harness, control arms, TIC graphite bushings and I'm set.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:58 AM   #1037
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For this car to be a commercial success it will have to have a fair amount of people who will buy it as an every day summer driver. Not everyone needs to "get it" the way you do.
FFR does not build daily drivers for $40k.. what makes you think their $20k car will be one?
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FFR does not build daily drivers for $40k.. what makes you think their $20k car will be one?
I never said they did. Hell, they don't build cars for the public, as far as I know they only build kits very good kits. What I said was for it to be a commercial success more people, other than those who just want to build an all out performance car, will have to buy them too. Why wouldn't they want to sell a car that would have enough creature comforts to be a Spring/Summer/Fall daily driver. Would it really cast that much to insure that a hvac system would fit and some form of roll up windows be available? I don't think that would raise the price to $40k
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It'll have HV.. probably not AC... cars, even kit cars, are required by US DOT to have windshield defrosters, so heat and ventilation are given.

I think you underestimate the number of enthusiasts with room in their garage to build a kit car and then only drive it on nice days. This is going to be more like a motorcycle (in terms of daily conveniences) than a modern car.

The $40k I was referring to was to their other kits which have much higher build costs.. and still don't have A/C or power windows.
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IMO many people will be DD these, especially in the south. The future coupe with roll up windows, heck even the soft top with roll up windows should be a fine DD for those who don't demand the interior of a luxury production car.

I know many people who DD their motorcycles and their s2000's, so this will be somewhere in between as far as creature comforts.
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The fact that they are looking at making a high mileage version is an indication that they plan for this car to be daily driver. Why would they build a fuel miser, if you can't use it daily?
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IMO many people will be DD these, especially in the south. The future coupe with roll up windows, heck even the soft top with roll up windows should be a fine DD for those who don't demand the interior of a luxury production car.

I know many people who DD their motorcycles and their s2000's, so this will be somewhere in between as far as creature comforts.
I'm not saying that people won't DD them.. but they aren't "daily drivers" in the sense that a Honda Fit is. I commuted the past year on a motorcycle (rain, snow or shine).. yet, to most people motorcycles aren't daily drivers.. they aren't even for inclement weather according to most riders. You can DD anything if you're willing to. These cars will not be what many in this thread are expecting.

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The fact that they are looking at making a high mileage version is an indication that they plan for this car to be daily driver. Why would they build a fuel miser, if you can't use it daily?
This is also the first car they're planning to sell worldwide.. great gas mileage is just a neat feature in the USA.. in most of the developing world it's much more important... you know, where safety features and A/C are rarely seen anyway.
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The old adage of "fast, nice & cheap" applies here.
You can easily get any combination of two out of the three, but very rarely can you get all three. I would be willing to sacrifice some "nice" for the sake of the other two.

I am expecting comfortable levels that are slightly more tolerable than a first gen Viper, and I am ok with that.

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I'm not saying that people won't DD them.. but they aren't "daily drivers" in the sense that a Honda Fit is.
Really, and I was just going to send my money in...

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These cars will not be what many in this thread are expecting.
So what do you think the "many in this thread" expect? I would venture to think that "many" on this thread have a pretty educated expectations. We are not talking about a BRZ here.

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This is also the first car they're planning to sell worldwide.. great gas mileage is just a neat feature in the USA.. in most of the developing world it's much more important... you know, where safety features and A/C are rarely seen anyway.
Travel much? The rest of the world is catching up, if not leading in safety features and I have yet to rent a car, in the last ten years, overseas that didn't have air conditioning.
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Really, and I was just going to send my money in...
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So what do you think the "many in this thread" expect? I would venture to think that "many" on this thread have a pretty educated expectations. We are not talking about a BRZ here.
Yet, you want power windows and A/C.
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Travel much? The rest of the world is catching up, if not leading in safety features and I have yet to rent a car, in the last ten years, overseas that didn't have air conditioning.
I'm sorry.. I snuck the developing world term in there and muddled two thoughts together. I wasn't actually suggesting that they don't have A/C in the rest of the first world.
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Money and snark! What a combo! Yet, you want power windows and A/C.
I think I said some form of roll up windows...yep, just checked, that is what I said.

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I'm sorry.. I snuck the developing world term in there and muddled two thoughts together. I wasn't actually suggesting that they don't have A/C in the rest of the first world.
Sorry, I missed the word developing. I guess my brain just passed over it figuring that if someone as able to afford an auto in a 2nd or 3rd world developing country that their first choice would not be a $15K US, mid-engine, non utilitarian sports car kit.
BTW the Chinese Geely and the Tata Nano both have A/C available.

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I think I said some form of roll up windows...yep, just checked, that is what I said.
Oh, well.. then I wasn't referring to you earlier when I was talking about the people in this thread with misplaced expectations.
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Oh, well.. then I wasn't referring to you earlier when I was talking about the people in this thread with misplaced expectations.
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